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[2011-10-14 22:30:58 +0000 UTC]
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Yes I remember, I especially like what you did with the opening piece. The 2nd one is a bit different from what I imagined but it works just as well, I especially like your choice of the ending.
I'll get around to reading Till Espieugel later.
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Before continuing, I believed you're owed 2 things
One is the reason why it took so long. Most of it was procrastination and soul-searching. One notable thing however is the conception and eventual creation of not one but 2 Fantasias. If you ask I'll give you the results of the project.
Second is the reason why I insist on including Appalachian Spring within your work. There are actually 3 reasons for it. 1 is because the part that you did not like was only a part of the segment I won't use that part though I will have something inspired by it. 2 is because if we get rid of it, we're going to need another finale to use. Finally is because to be perfectly honest, I actually think that it would be a segment worthy of the canon works.
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Alright so I finally got around to read Till Espieugel. It's very much so what I expected. A bit of work may need to be done on the first half because it seems to rely a lot on dialogue, something that isn't done in Fantasia, but the 2nd half works perfectly. Excellent.
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sorry that it took long to answer back. It wasn't responding in my replies and I just got the message. I actually found the solution to the problem. In ballet they used "mimes" in place of communication. We simply need to apply those mimes into the story as well. For Example: When Till is in the milkmaid land, he waves his hand after pointing at the milk and pulling out his money, suggesting that he wants to buy all of the milk of the land. Another example from the same tale is when the Owls and Monkeys are suggested. Till gestures at the oven and the ingredients as if asking what to make, while the baker makes crude gestures of owls and monkeys to show how angry at the stupid question he was.
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Thank you very much. Of course it isn't finished yet but I'll keep a look out for more confirmed levels (what I based the segments on).
On another note, I've grown to invincibly adore your version of fantasia. I mean it. Though I only know a few fan versions, yours is one of the most intelligent I've come across. It's even more intelligent than mine and it's based on the real deal! I hope you don't mind if I perform my segment method for your version? There will be some changes of course but I will keep as close to your intent as possible while (arguably) improving it.
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You have my attention. What do you have in mind? Feel free to send a note if you want to keep it confidential.
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Symphony 40- not much that can be changed
Peer gynt suite- the first movement will be for the traveler going to sleep. I originally wanted the four movements to be four separate dreams but after trying it I thought it would allow more surrealism for the three movements. The dream scenes will be inspired by Lewis Carrol, Dr Seuss and plenty of other mind-fucks. This will also continue the elephant conspiracy set forth by the pink elephants and the Heffalumps and Woozles.
Barber of Seville- though I will do my best, goofy will be given his old name, Dippy Dawg, and he will be treated as a human, though never outright stated. I did the same thing to the sorcerer's apprentice
Till Eulenspiegel- I like where you're going but I'll see if I can get close to the original folk stories. I probably will add a situation where he can learn to do good.
Blue Danube- I like the concept but the "Mars and beyond" animation is too low standard. I'll go for national geographic extraterrestrial animation. In fact the planet I'll use is blue moon from the same documentary. It'll be the first time since rite of spring that science made the story and not art
William tell overture- I tried my very best to do something with it, but I would reccomend it's removal. It started as a good idea and I was able to weave a story up until the finale. The finale was when a few large plotholes came in. If the ending was majestic or slow-paced I might have been able to work with it.
Dance of the witches sabbath- after going through the tale and the piece, I found that pair to be most fitting
Appalachian spring- I like the idea and I'll weave your story into either the middle or the end. The problem will be the nature documentary that I'll use as inspiration. But I have huge faith in this segment.
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Sounds good. If it helps, William Tell overture is the only one where I actually though of how the story could go from beginning to end. So that's the last one I would ever hope someone would scrap (I was hoping you'd want to remove the Barber of Seville altogether actually).
Another one I actually didn't care much for was actually Appalachian Spring, deep down I felt like the whole Deer raised by a Cougar may have been clichΓ© somehow. But it's whatever you're comfortable with.
In short, everything sounds good, but I hope I can convince you to hear me out for William T Overture first.
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1. Go ahead with the William Tell Story
2. Very well, the deer-couger thing will be disregarded
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The first segment that's slow and sad is when the mother is tending to her uncounscious child who's feverish. She is however working on a remedy and shows relief when she seems to have finally found the cure and gives it to the child who sleeps on. At the second segment (the stormy one) the angel of death barges into her home and takes the child away. The mother chases after them through the small town and even takes a boat when the angel flies across the sea during a storm. A wave hits, presumably consuming the mother as the screen fades the black.
In the third segment (the morning one), the mother wakes up washed ashore the Angel's island that has a garden of flowers with children's faces. She is greeded by the angel's garden keeper and is able to convince him to help her get her son back.
The fourth segment (the race), the angel is pinned down temporarily (maybe via a tree) by the keeper and the mother snatches the baby out of a crip in the ground, returns to her boat and heads back to shore. A second chase ensues but the mother is able to outmanoeuver the angel, who maybe then crashes into a lighthouse, and the mother regains the dock. The son wakes up and they embrace.
So it follows the typical disney formula of changing a fairytale so it has a happy ending. Again, if it doesn't work for you, or if Appalachian Spring's story works for you, do as you please.
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I think I can do that. It's funny because I was thinking close to the same thing. Thanks for the ending I can use. I'm only rejecting the story portion of the Appalachian spring because you said it was a bad story. I don't mind going off on my own.Β
Btw, fun fact, for the Steadfast Tin Soldier, they actually WANTED to keep the downer ending, but they couldn't because the music would not match.
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that is a fun fact. Keep me updated.
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Small update: after thinking a bit, I have decided to follow your wishes and scrap Barber of Seville. In its place, I shall put what should have went without saying, the capital of the fantasia franchise, The Sorcerer's Apprentice.
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Hey, I have a bit of a radical idea. Do you mind if I change most of the animation styles. I found this top psychedelic animated films and I was wondering if it is alright to use them for most of the segments
The 1st 2 exceptions are the Mozart and the Sorcerer's Apprentice, both for obvious reasons.
The 3rd exception is the Dance of the Witches' Sabbath. I tried doing it like the others but it just didn't work too well. I'm planning on going for the next best thing that actually is coherent to your wishesΒ www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCL1K_β¦
The movie for the Peer Gynt Suite (will use minor influences) Β www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lRMwβ¦
The movie for Till EulenspiegelΒ www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrzrOyβ¦
The movie for Blue Danube Β www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FdEkLβ¦
The movie for William Tell Overture (again minor influences) Β www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtzy_Rβ¦
And the movie for Appalachian Spring (actually was a replacement for one of the films but the original pick wouldn't go well) Β www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuLX50β¦ Β
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The best choice was for Appalachian Spring, I can see how it would match the music.
Witche's Sabbath's choice is fine. Corpse Bride animation could work too.
Peer Gynt's choice should be alright, as long as you can find something big for the finale.
Till Eulenspiegel... doesn't seem to work well. The pacing of the animation doesn't fit. Unless you plan on using more action packed segments rather than the example above whose pacing seemed more fitting for Witche's Sabbath.
Blue Danube is my least favourite. I saw this movie once and the pacing doesn't seem right at all. I actually would go with your original idea and use stuff from Extraterrestrial's Blue Moon.
I don't know what to say for William Tell Overture. It looks fast paced enough but I also have no idea what that movie is about...
Just remember that the original idea for Fantasia 3D was to explore different styles of animation. I noticed most of your pics were from movies dating all from the 60s or 70s.
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Ok, it's cool. I just grabbed some of the trippiest (and artistc) animated movies that I thought would be good for Fantasia. The original film was among those films btw.
In short the animation ideas will now be disregarded.
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Thanks for the interest in my characters. I need to get back to writing. I have been working on that project since about 1994, and still haven't gotten very far.
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, I have been having some trouble with DeviantArt.
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