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Plantress ♀️ [2703133] [2006-06-07 17:54:36 +0000 UTC] (United States)

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Owed Art:
Glasses-Dog - Fully body couple
Thot-Shop - Half-body couple - Done
littlemoony18 -single chibi
clockwork-basilica - half-body couple
Saints-Of-Ravens - fullbody couple


-Persona Q style request
Personal Art:
KiyoShin piece
Tsuneo references
Redo-Luca's closet
Alexa/Gladio piece
Personal Fics:
-OT3 Hell ficlet -Kamoshida Reaction
-Rafe ficlet
-Evalyn Backstory ficlet
-OTP Meme pormpts
-Yusuke/Luca fic
-Elia - story setup fic

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# Comments

Comments: 1429

XxAgentAnimexX [2021-01-20 04:34:17 +0000 UTC]

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PegasusSeiya351 [2020-05-19 01:22:10 +0000 UTC]

Happy Birthday! ^_^

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SmexyFel [2020-05-18 23:32:49 +0000 UTC]

Happy happy birthdayseu dearlin 😊💕

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Emidikun [2020-05-18 17:27:52 +0000 UTC]

Happy birthday^^

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TomboyJessie13 [2020-04-12 23:16:19 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for faving

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2020-02-12 18:13:34 +0000 UTC]

Are you familiar with Adachi's manga? Have you ever read Touch?

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Riku-D [2020-01-04 18:08:36 +0000 UTC]

Hey Plantress. We have a valentines day collab event on the Grand Line Oc group. Would like to check it out and join? 😊 www.deviantart.com/grand-line-…

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-11-26 15:10:17 +0000 UTC]

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Yandraw [2019-10-27 14:12:26 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much for the fav!! It means a lot to me!!

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SREAZ [2019-10-07 03:53:12 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the fav! Much appreciated.

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Ironsclad [2019-10-06 18:06:21 +0000 UTC]

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LadyMintLeaf [2019-09-25 09:17:28 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much for the !!

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-09-22 21:56:14 +0000 UTC]

Have you ever heard of Touch by Adachi?

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-08-19 15:52:00 +0000 UTC]

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-16 01:39:56 +0000 UTC]

Oh are you familiar with Gundam? I just resumed the UC timeline yesterday and am on ep 11 of Zeta Gundam so far. I finished Gundam Wing and G Gundam as well as the original Mobile Suit Years ago.

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-14 22:48:51 +0000 UTC]

Have you ever read or watch Read or Die? Ghost In the Shell? Serial Experiment Lain? Last Exile? Wolf's Rain? Heat Guy J? Witch Hunter Robin?

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-13 18:55:31 +0000 UTC]

Fuck I can't edit the comment so sorry for making a new post. Are you familiar with The 7 Deadly Sins? I'm not talking about the anime, I'm talking about the Catholic theology? Being raised a Catholic, I had some familiarity with them. Recent things happened that will make you got WTF and think I'm psycho (its related to the sorcery practise I'm talking about-I tried communicating with spirits). But it made me realize how deadly the 7 sins are.

So what would you identify as your prime sins? Also did you know there are 7 heavenly opposing virtues? 

www.deadlysins.com/virtues

Hell did you know there in addition to virtues, there are 7 demons that rule each deadly sin?


classroom.synonym.com/what-are…

As well as 7 archangels ruling the virtues!

thisisleviathan.fandom.com/wik…

Makes excellent stuff for fanfiction doesn't it?! 

But back on topic. What sin and virtue do you think you embody?

Gluttony is my primary sin and I think I'm starting to gain diligence as my virtue (even though I've been very lazy in the past!)!

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-14 05:03:50 +0000 UTC]

I think at this point the seven deadly sins are well known in culture, and I think the virtues are as well.  There's even a series of sexy pin-up characters created to make figures based on the sins and virtues in Japan

My sin would be, idk, sloth, maybe? Haven't really thought about it before.

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-11 13:53:06 +0000 UTC]

A separate discussion but since you are into fantasy novels, what od you think of real sorcery? I hired the services of Wiccans for spells a few time and I practise HOodo lately.

Even traditional religions like Islam has stuff like quoting verses to expel evil Jinns (spiritual entities) and Catholicism has intercession of the Saints (where saints petition your requests). Hinduism's yoga is believed to access magical energy, Buddhism access the next dimension via meditation, and Judaism has the Kaballah system of magic. THats just the surface.

Than there is black magic such as the Ars Goetia and its demon summoning rituals, Angl magick, and communication with ghosts.

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-14 04:58:10 +0000 UTC]

I find some IRL versions of magick interesting, though I don't practice myself. 

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-09 14:01:42 +0000 UTC]

BTW what are you watching ATM? I'm reading Hikaru No Go, just started on Bleach, plan to finish Kare Kano, and also will start Codename: Kids Next Door and Camp Lazlo this month. As well as watch Ashita No Joe now that the whole anime is up and later read the manga since its entirely scanlated.

Since you are familiar with Evangelion, I assume you heard of Kare Kano at some point?

Also how familiar are you with Clamp?I'm about to start Tsubasa Chronciles and the only series I haven't read yet is X (which I'm delaying ATM because I want to finish it before starting on Tsubasa but X is still unfinished). I already watched and read all the main clamp stuff such as Rayearth.

Oh I forogt I read Shaman King last years as well as Pumpkin Scissors and Wolf's Reign.

Are you familiar with Kenichi History's Strongest Disciple?

And I assume you also have seen Fate/Stay Night?

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-09 22:22:17 +0000 UTC]

I've mostly been watching Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Dr. Stone and a couple of random things.  I want to watch the Good Omens Amazon Prime series, but I want to finish the book first. 

I've heard of Kare Kano, but never watched/read it.


I'm fairly familiar with CLAMP.  I love Cardcaptor Sakura, have read the manga series several times, and watched the show.  I read a bunch of Tsubasa Chronicles, but then sort of lost interest with it and haven't caught up with it in a while.  I did watch Rayearth, though it's been a while.


I was reading the Pumpkin Scissors manga, though I need to finish it.  


Kenichi: History's Strongest Disciple was actually one of my favorite series for a while!  I just got very disappointed in it as it went on and basically became soft-core porn, and had a very bad ending.

I've heard of the Fate series, but I've never been interested so never watched any of it.

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LustyVenusianJuuza In reply to Plantress [2019-07-10 02:12:03 +0000 UTC]

Hahahaha you're exactly spot on inmy criticisms on Kenichi. While I'm fine with some fanservice, the extent it was getting into near the end was really grating-and I say that as a Shigure fanboy!Even fanservice of her became very off-settinga nd even inappropriate even for a series aimed at teens. Not to mention the end series started going DBZ and getting ridiculous power boosts for every new fights and some of the penultimate battles is basically the same as the last irritating Hades Arc  of Saint Seiya. THe battle between Apachi and his evil counterpart seemed to be all about taking turns hitting each other and Apachi winning via Pegasus Insanity as a prime example (god I hated that fight so much, it reminds me everything I hated about the final Hades Arc).

Not to mention they practically gave uo the realistic and clever martial arts battle as they attempted to hype up the series's power and enemy threats.  I wish they stuck it to YYH nad just left it at earth level threats.

Also Kenichi came off as weak as Seiya did near the end. I found myself rooting more for some of the villains esp Tanimoto instead of the good guys.

You can safely wait for a whilein regards to Pumpkin Scissors. So far the manga isn't even close to reaching midway thought helot and the mangaka mentions he intends to stay long fora bit so long as he maintains enough popularity to do so. Its why I chose to watch the anime instead of themanga.

Clamp's lesser known series are very good such as Kobato. As a rule of thumb any thing that apeared in Tsubasa I recommend you read the original series they came from. I was surprised how good Chobits, Angelic Layer, and other cross over series were in their original form. I know you are very bushy nowadays as opposed to back when Saint Seiya Fan Forums was still up but I recommend at least reading xxxHolic (as this series was made to be a cross over with Tsuvasa and ran simultaneously) and Kobato (this one is really that good esp its 26 episode anime adaptation).

The first Fate/Stay Night anime is legitimatley goodenough on its own I recommend it and the sequels are much weaker but still good enough to view on their own. If you want, I know how you can download the original Visual Novelthe franchise is based on. Trust me its really worth reading even if you don't like visual novels! But if you can't play the VNs, the fist anime is a faithful adaptation.

While we are at it, have you watched Samurai Champloo, Afro Samurai, S-Cry-Ed, and Trigun back during the Adult Swim days? Are you also familiar with Love Hina, Ahh My Goddess, Tenchi, Princess 9,Blue Seed, Silent Mobius and Bubblegum Crisis?

Oh I almost forgot are you familiar with Sakura Taisen? Sega recently announced a new project. If you followed ADV back in the day, you probably know about the OVA and TV series they licnensed over.

Have you ever watched XIaolin Showdown BTW? I finished LEgend of Korrah recently so I thought to bring that up.

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-11 06:18:19 +0000 UTC]

Kenichi just did Shigure so dirty at the end of the series! She, and most of the other female characters, just got reduced to fanservice characters.  Even the main villain ended up getting that treatment in the end, because she had big boobs.  But yeah, Kenichi itself seemed to loose a lot of itself once it stopped focusing on Kenichi and his friend and started focusing more on the masters.  I wouldn't have minded so much if they had just left it as Kenichi facing the apprentices, and that being the main focus, but instead it just seemed to become more about the weird powers.

Even the designs for the female characters really changed over the course of the series.  And it's not like with other series where the art is getting better.  It just gets more...porny.  Compare Miu's first appearance with her ending appearance.  She barely looks like the same character.


Xxxholic is very good, I haven't managed to finish it yet though.  I get distracted by other things.

I've seen Samurai Champloo, S-Cry-Ed and Trigun.  I've also seen some of Love Hina, but it got very boring to me.  Tenchi I saw a couple of the series.  Ahh my Goddess I read a lot of back in the day!  I have a special fondness for Princess 9 and Blue See.   I haven't seen the other two though, they never interested me.

I saw a bit about Sakura Taisen!  A friend recommended it to me, and Tite Kubo is doing the character art for the new game, isn't he?

I've seen some of the episodes, but Xiaolin Showdown wasn't a big thing for me.

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LustyVenusianJuuza In reply to Plantress [2019-07-11 13:30:25 +0000 UTC]

Back in the 2000s Silent Mobius was one of the more obscure gateway series. When TechTV used to be o I used to watch it on its Anime Unleashed block. Its quite a good series but I recommend the manga since in hindsight the TV series is very bad esp as an adaptation (despite my childhood nostalgia with it). The manga was one of the first things NOrth AMerica got completed in its full serializations in the 90s so it was also quite popular among Otakus back when anime was a niche. 

Bubblegum Crisis used to be one of the series ADV licensed. I used to watch some DVDs of the TV series so I too have memories.

Which Sakura Taisen did you exprerience? ADV licsned the series years ago and it was a flagship title for the company. Someone is currently attemptng a translaton patch of the first game! Hopefully the new game is localized because the only thing we got in the West is the 5th game.

What do you think of Rachel? SHe is the only fanservice person If ound acceptable by the time the rest of the manga was rolling. I think she ifts perfectly with fanservice. WHat I don't like is how they turned preeviously chaste characters like the Old Kung Fu fighter's daughter into a porn eye candy.

Yes I don't mind striptease of say Miu and Shigure every ow and than and I even completely accept a completley fanservice female such as Rachel! But they really went overboard, in some cases even attemmpting some striptease and inappropriate implicaions with peple like Kenichi's sister! 

The writer should have just stuck with giving all the fanservice to Rachel and only left some rated T fanservice for Miu and Shigure! Because many incidents like that Shigure interrogation scene was very irritating!

In fact while Rachel initially surpassed Shigure as my fav  because she is fanservice eyecandy, by the end of the series Rachel lost her impact on me because pratically everyone from school teachers to Kenichi's mom was given enticing screen panels.

Even I no longer like Shigure because of how much they made her into a manga version of Taki from Soulcalibur!

Do you like Izumi from Princess 9?

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-14 04:56:32 +0000 UTC]

I've seen a bit of the anime series years ago, and I have a friend who talked a lot about the stage play.

Normally I don't like fanservice characters, but Rachel was actually the exception. I find her hilarious and fun, because she's so shamless and open about it.  She's actually the only one that I don't feel uncomfortable with the fanservice because she's clearly having fun doing it and doesn't look uncomfortable or ashamed.  She's just open that she does it to herself just to get attention.

I honestly dislike most fanservice, but endure it in most shonen series because I like the story/characters. Even when it's uncomfortable and annoying for me when the entire story screeches to a halt just to oogle at uncomfortable/embarrassed/ashamed girls.

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LustyVenusianJuuza In reply to Plantress [2019-07-15 16:50:48 +0000 UTC]

What do you think of Hermit/Tanimoto? He's hands down my fav in the entire franchise.

In addition did you know Kenichi is actually a remake of an earlier manga? Before Kenichi, there was a 6 volume series. Its even far more realistic than Kenichi was except for one battle between the masters and ...... well there is plenty and plenty of surprises including the final big bad!

I definitely recommend reading the original 6 volume story Kenichi is a remake of! I actually think its far superior than the last arcs of Kenichi! Reading it really makes me wonder how Kenichi would have turned out if they didn't go ahead and retcon the whole story from the beginning.

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LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-08 16:20:42 +0000 UTC]

Its been 4 years since we last chatted!
Are you a Naruto fan? Its the 20th anniversary this year and I watched and read the series!

Hinata is my favorite how about yours!

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-09 08:38:36 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I'm a Naruto fan!  Hinata is actually one of my favorites!  Though my absolute fav is Iruka.  I also like Gaara and Shino.

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LustyVenusianJuuza In reply to Plantress [2019-07-10 02:18:02 +0000 UTC]

Back toNaruto-see my av! InadditiontoSasukeand Hinata I also forgot to say Kiba and Akamaru are my favs!


WHat do  you think of  Sakura? I actually preferred her to HInata for Part 1 but the SHippuden chapters really screwed her over formeand I began to prefer HInata (even thoughI already liked her pre time skip espin fillers such as the BIrochu episodes). While themanga couldhave put more time for Hinata, the way they handled Sakua reallyd ropped my favoritism and mademelean towards Hinata.

Whichis why when I watchShippuden I'mreally excited since I heard they gave entire arcs to Hinata and also Tenten (who I also like but felt was underultilized).

Even though she was still a minor character, the development they gave heroinPart 2 really mademefondof Hinata.

I really loved Sakura's perosnality as a kid she had a ertain charm,esp thatalter ego she had in herthoughts that wasa differentpersonality.

I didn't likehow the Shipuden 2nd half removedmuch of that alterego.

Damn my keyboard is having roblems sorry for the ****ed up grammer and spelling esp lack of space between words. My laptophas been suffering typing issues hence the terrible typing for thelsat two posts I made.

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-11 06:21:12 +0000 UTC]

Sakura is a character that had so much potential and has a lot of powers I liked, but I feel like the mangaka didn't know what to do with her aside from being in love with Sasuke.  She deserved so much better, it really sucks. I love strong healer characters, so she could have done a lot more if you focused on what she wanted for herself.   Hinata was always my favorite, because I identified with her more, but I still really like Sakura. 


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LustyVenusianJuuza In reply to Plantress [2019-07-11 13:17:43 +0000 UTC]

What do you think of Anko? SHe's my favorite Genin hands down and despite fan anger, I find her chubby appearance in Boruto cute!

I do respect how Sakura was willing to kill Sasuke out of responsibility and how she was willing to risk loving Naruto just for the sake of protecting him from love's way.

HOwever I feel the real underrated guy is Kiba and Aka! Even Tenten has a larger following despite appearing almost nonexistent in the manga and people thrown off screen like Kurenei still played an important role in the Shippuden chapters. Kiba despite taking a big level in power boost and Akamaru becoming cooler, were practically neglected! ANd not popular by the fandom to boot!

BTW did you find Naruto annoying at first?  Hokage Naruto is among my favs but I found kid Naruto quite irritating!

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-14 04:49:13 +0000 UTC]

Anko is okay?  I never had a strong opinon about her.

Sakura had her moments, but sometimes I felt like they weren't really moment's dedicated to her as a character or about her own development.  It was more about the other characters, and she just happened to be doing something that was about them and thier development.


Kiba definitely has his own passionate fans!  They're just a smaller group than the others, but yeah, he got robbed of screentime later on.  Aside from Hinata, most of Kurenei's team seem to get that treatment.

Naruto was the typical loud shonen protag, so I didn't really like his character trope, but I found Sasuke more annoying.

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LustyVenusianJuuza In reply to Plantress [2019-07-14 15:25:17 +0000 UTC]

I love Anko because I identify with her gluttony so much! I can identify with her eating problems lol.

Now that you mentioned it, I can't believe I forgot Shino. Considering how a big Badass he was in Part 1, I was disappointed we didn't see more of him! Well at least he still played an important role via being the scouting network of the ninjas esp in the 4th Ninja War. But I would havel oved to see him bring more interesting bug abilities. Esp since the Birochu filler in the first anime brought up so much cool worldbuilding about the verse and I was hoping to see more insects like Birochu in the rest of the manga.

I don't think we ever saw Kurenei in the 4th Ninja War. Its a shame the anime showed how much potential she had esp with her first failed student filler shown really strong character development. She had so much cool powers she could have been an interesting support role in the 4th Ninja War!

Naruto started out annoying indeed but I really liked him as hokage. While he still has some comedy side,its no longer annoyingly mischievious and he's pretty mature as an adult. Its funny because I never thought he would grow up into taking paperwork seriously!

How do you like Hokage Naruto (esp compared to his younger self)? I consider him my favorite Hokage thus far!

Sasuke am I the only one who finds him my fav?  Yes the depths of his bloodlust for vengeances is insane....... But thats precisely why I love him. Believe it or not people like Sasuke exist irl. Whole wars started because of people like Sasuke in real history and politics. His willingness to destroy Konoha in Itachi's memory shows just how intense his love was as well as his relationship with Naruto. his betrayal of Naruto was one of the moment's when Naruto begins to dive away from the extroverted bragging Shonen hero-it was really a crying moment for me when he realized Sasuke really intended to kill him and he began to weep in heavy tears. 

And thatss why I love the Sasuke vs Naruto rivalry. It technically isn't even a rivalry by traditional terms but it shows a depth of beyond rivalry cliches.

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-19 23:19:58 +0000 UTC]

I actually became more interested in Shino when I watched a tiny bit of Boruto.  I have such mixed feelings on that whole mess, but seeing Shino was a caring teacher and hearing them say he could have been special ops easily if he had really wanted to go that route was nice.

Kurenei unfortunately fell pray to the anime trope of 'a female character can only be cool until she's married/has a kid.  Then she has to be a stay-at-home mom/housewife'.  Which...she would have been a single mom, and working to support her daughter.  She could have still been cool with that! So all her potential got zapped because her being a sad housewife was more important.

I love Naruto's character growth!  it really showed how he matured.  I'm not sure I agree with all the choices they made for his character, but he came out really well.

And Sasuke was one of the, if not the  most popular character for a time.  He had an interesting story, but it was dragged on so long that people got tired of him and how he treated everyone around himself.  See, during the first part of the series I could see him and Naruto having a bond 'like brothers'.  But after?  During Shippuden?  Nope.  They barely interacted for most of it, years as the manga was published, and you forgot why they were supposed to be so close.  Honestly, it felt like even though Naruto and Sakura cared about Sasuke, he didn't care about them at all.  His marriage to Sakura just feels weird because of that.  When I finally caught up on the end of the manga I expected Sasuke and Sakura to have a moment together or something but...nope.   And the finally battle between Sasuke and Naruto that cost them their arms made a lot of people annoyed because there was absolutely no point to it anymore.   It was just thrown in for cheap fanservice because the mangaka wanted to write a 'fully circle' ending where they fought like before, but had forgotten to write a moment like that in organically.  So just tacked it onto the end.   That entire final battle was just Sasuke being an ass out of nowhere. 
And then he's just allowed to live in the village during Boruto despite all he's done and his crimes because....he's Naruto's 'close friend' I guess.   His 'exile' for years while he abandoned Sakura to raise their daughter alone was more self-imposed than anything else and he would have been allowed back in.

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LustyVenusianJuuza In reply to Plantress [2019-07-09 13:00:19 +0000 UTC]

Since we are both long time Saint SEiya fans as well as fans of many series, what your opinion on this thing I saw on reddit.

www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/commen…

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-09 22:17:19 +0000 UTC]

...Well that's someone's opinion?  I tend not to stress out over what other people think of a series if I enjoy it.   That reminds me of the people recently that have been attacking the Persona 5 fandom because they're made Joker go into Smash.  It means nothing, and doesn't affect my opinion of the series.

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LustyVenusianJuuza In reply to Plantress [2019-07-10 13:10:31 +0000 UTC]

The real reason I bought that up is when I finished reading Naruto, I was extremely surprised at the total sales! The person who wrote the article shocked me more because what he said about Naruto just being behind Dragon Ball by a few ten million sales was even more shocking!

Back when Saint Seiya Fan Forums was still  up I used to join the hate bandwagon with Mewzard and other members and relentlessly attack the series even though I never watched it. Which is why I found the post quite a dejavu as members at the SSFan site including me used to say stuff like that.

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-11 06:24:19 +0000 UTC]

Can I ask why you felt the need to bash the series even though you hadn't read it?   I'm honestly just curious, because while I get wishing that an anime you like is more popular, working up enough annoyance to complain about a series when you aren't even familiar with  it seems like it would take a lot of energy

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LustyVenusianJuuza In reply to Plantress [2019-07-11 13:12:20 +0000 UTC]

IDK but its a recurring attitude in anime forums and I even initially was going to give Naruto a chance but groupthink at places like Saint Seiya Fan Forum influenced me into hating it without actually watching it.

I do notice its not just anime/manga. Have you seen the console wars and bashing exclusive killer apps simply because its on another console? It happens in every hobby from athletes you never seen in performance to movies you never seen.

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Plantress In reply to LustyVenusianJuuza [2019-07-14 04:45:56 +0000 UTC]

Honestly, I made a decision a few years ago to just focus on stuff I like because that sort of attitude started annoying me after I noticed it.  So now I tend to do my best to ignore it entirely, and don't respond when someone tries to draw me into a hate-fest.  I'll give my opinion about things I dislike of course, but not....focusing entirely on that.

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Awoken-Artist [2019-06-01 17:28:08 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the favs!   

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Ailixa [2019-05-29 12:53:15 +0000 UTC]

you have nice works ~

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Plantress In reply to Ailixa [2019-05-30 05:49:14 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much!

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Saints-Of-Ravens [2019-05-18 16:51:38 +0000 UTC]

Happy Birthday!! 🎉🍾🎉

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Plantress In reply to Saints-Of-Ravens [2019-05-19 07:57:32 +0000 UTC]

THANK YOU so much!

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Saints-Of-Ravens In reply to Plantress [2019-05-19 17:49:20 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!!!

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CrimsonShpee [2019-04-08 10:38:08 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the fav


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AviGebal [2019-04-05 23:12:15 +0000 UTC]

 

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artimisian [2019-04-04 01:04:05 +0000 UTC]

ahh thanks so much for the watch!

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