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[2008-02-21 21:53:44 +0000 UTC]
"Harrison"
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Favourites: 536; Deviations: 184; Watchers: 32
Watching: 24; Pageviews: 28687; Comments Made: 10630; Friends: 24
# Interests
Favorite movies: Gremlins. Gremlins 2. Godzilla movies.Favorite games: Pokemon series. Yo-kai Watch series. Sonic the Hedgehog series. Solatorobo. Dragalia Lost.
# About me
Personal Quote: Respect others opinions and differences, people don't need to agree on everything or be the same to get along.# Comments
Comments: 7302
Thank you, sorry this reply is late, I haven't been on the site for a bit.
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Thanks.
This reply is late because I ended up not visiting the site for a while. Now the site is all strange...
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Doggies!
Thanks, sorry for late response.
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I was thinking that maybe Diamond verse White Pearl would be almost the same (since she’s got the no emotions thing going for her) but like a more “recycled” theme to her, like she’s a discarded yellow pearl that White is making use of until she wears out
I don’t know, just a thought
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For the AU? That would work, in the AU White Pearl's design would only make sense if she was originally a Yellow Diamond gem.
I was thinking AU White Pearl would resemble some sort of robotic-drone, but keeping her the same would be fine. If White Pearl were an old Yellow Pearl Yellow Diamond no longer saw use in, I could see White Diamond making use of her.
AU White Diamond is a being of pure, mechanical logic, desiring nothing more than the efficient continuation and progress of the gem race, even being the only one that doesn't desire the destruction of its fellow Diamonds in one form or another. If something can still be made use of in some manner, White Diamond will not allow it to simply be discarded.
But, a Yellow Diamond gem's way of thinking wouldn't work well for White Diamond. Even Pearls, which are designed to be servants, have too much emotion for White Diamond to accept, if a Yellow Diamond gem were to serve directly under White Diamond, there would need to be some... modifications.
White Diamond: All necessary of course, you will not be damaged if it can be helped. Have no worries, the modifications will only help you in fulfilling your purpose all the better...
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I was thinking about it because I’m sure her damaged eye is something important, but unless she were recycled I don’t see White not just getting rid of her when she’s first damaged, but if Yellow had her first and the direct aftermath was dealt with by her and not White, I could see White making use of her since she can still function properly, but the emotional side of her would have to be wrung at least mostly out of her before it gets her
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Thank you but can I not do that?
I feel like if I go posting this around to ten people I'm inevitably going to end up annoying at least one.
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What your canon moltres, zapdos, and articuno? Are there multiple ones or just ones?
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They're just rare Pokémon and their are many of them, legends surround them because they're rare and powerful. However the ones featured in the Pokémon 2000 movie are more powerful, larger, and one of a kind.
That's my canon of them. Lugia is the same way.
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So the large one are the gods of the smaller ones.
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I'm not sure if I'd call them 'gods' but they are beyond mere mortal Pokémon.
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AAnd fluffy. Dud you know that some gods have the same name?
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Yes, and there's multiple versions of the same gods.
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You think the characters from Attack on Titan would have actual Titans( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(m…) as their Personas?
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A few might, but remember that persona are based on their personality.
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Well, for Eren for example how about Cronos? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronus
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it been a while i watched this show.
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What about Shadows for Persona characters? Shadows as in, the ones in Blue Dragon, not the shadows that you fight in Persona.
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I would say that would either take form there persona or their shadow boss form... but due looking over it and realizing there a difference between that and personas...I need time to think.
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Well the main differences between the Shadows in Blue Dragon, and the Personas in Persona (other than the way they appear in relation to their summoner's body) is that these things.
Personas are:
Almost always based on a deity or mythological figure.
Are based on the Arcana.
Are a representation of a hidden side of their wielder's personality that they needed to accept.
Shadows (Blue Dragon ones) are:
Mostly based on random things, Logi's Shadow in the anime was Odin, whom is a god-figure. But The main casts Shadows are just random creatures (Dragon, Minotaur, Phionex, ect...). And some of the others are just plain weird (what the heck is Andropov's Shadow supposed to be!?)
Are categorized by Element.
Are Awoken by strong desires in the Wielder (in the anime) or by consuming another Shadow Wielder's soul (in the game). For the sake of comparison to Personas, the anime example works better: Shu's Shadow was Awoken when his village was attack and he strongly desired a way to fight back, Klukes was when her friends were going to be defeated and she desperately wanted to protect them.
If we're to consider the Awakening methods for both (using the anime explanation for Blue Dragon's Shadows) we can consider Personas to be representive of internal feelings, and Shadows of external feelings. With Personas being gained by accepting parts of yourself you wished to deny, and Shadows awoken from strong desires.
Of course, a lot of this is assumption on my part. I don't know if it helps.
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Plus Shadow can be separated, while if you separate Persona from a person...it's doesn't end well. Plus they're artificial are different as the shadow based on what I read on wiki don't seem to cause harm, while Persona seem to cause serve side-effect such as going out of control or transforming a person into shadow or demon.
Also what happened if a Shadow from blue dragon is destroy?
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It's true. Once again, going by the Blue Dragon anime for examples; Shadows can be artificially unlocked, just like with Persona in Persona 3. However, the methods are different, as are the results.
The artificially unlocked Persona sometimes tried to kill their users. While the artificially unlocked Shadows did no such thing as far as I could tell, however the method from which a Shadow is artificially unlocked is said to be deadly to those whom can't handle it.
Of course, naturally unlocked Shadows can be dangerous themselves. Blue Dragon threatened to consume Shu at several points in the anime. The results of a Shadow consuming their wielder, are unclear, as no successful case was ever shown.
What happens if a Shadow is destroyed is also somewhat unclear, but the anime indicated at several points that the wielder could likely survive. Though I don't recall any point where a Shadow was separated from its wielder.
Shadows don't have ultimate forms as Persona do, as I recall. They do however have something where they fuse with their wielder, creating a full body of the creature the Shadow is based on. The only one to pull this off in the anime was Shu, but it can be assumed that, at least the other natural Shadow Wielders could potentially do it too.
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Yikes. I was going to say that there a way to transfer persona, but it was the personas fusing due to part of that character brain being transfer into another.
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That's something... if that's true, than something about the physical brain has something to do with the Persona? I was under the assumption that it was all spiritual. But perhaps transferring a part of the brain would also affect the soul? The body reflects the spirit idea?
On the topic of Shadows and Personas once again, it's clear that they are both distinct in nature, despite both coming from some form of the wielder's inner-self.
Do you think it's possible for someone to posses both? Would the presence of one block the emergence of the other? Or would perhaps the presence of both in a user destroy them? Using one already seems to strain the users to a degree, so I'd imagine it would be difficult maintaining both.
Also, still trying to think of Shadows and Personas for the characters between both series, keeping in mind that most Personas are based on mythological figures or gods, while Shadows seem to just be fantasy creatures for the most part. so far I have.
Shu's Persona: Ryujin-the Dragon god, makes a lot of sense. Depicted as an armored dragon knight with a sword, not sure what Arcana it is yet.
Yu's Shadow: Saber Wolf-A large, dark colored wolf with many blades on its body, meant to resemble a beastly form of Izanagi. Like the above, I'm unsure of what element Saber Wolf would be.
Andropov's Persona: Helios-Depicted as an eyeless man with four eyes circling his head and riding a horse covered in eyes, amplifying Andropov's Shadow's already established abilities to keep watch of everything in the battle, unsure of the Arcana. Helios already exists as a Persona, however this one is different, but it's already been established that there can be more than one version of the same named Persona, such as Cerberus in Persona 3.
Chie's Shadow: Frost Giant-Blue behemoth, using hand-to-hand combat more than its elemental abilities. Of the ice-element.
I still need to think of many more, right now I'm focusing on thinking of Personas for the Blue Dragon characters, since there are much less of them than the Persona characters. I also haven't played Persona 5 yet and don't want it spoiled, so I haven't looked at those characters.
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Well they do require spirit points (SP), but yes. A Persona and Shadow are the inner thoughts of a person. The difference being that Persona are shadow that have became tamed.
Yes , but you can't use a shadow. A shadow are the side of a personality we reject. Persona are born from the acceptance and taming of these personality. It is possible for a persona to revert back into a shadow or for a person ending up facing their shadow-self along with a reverse version of their persona. Of course not all shadow are born from negative emotion.
wouldn't Chie's shadow look like it does in Persona 4?
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Didn't we already go over how the Shadows from Blue Dragon are different from the ones that are untamed Persona?
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I'm pretty sure this whole conversation got started by comparing Personas and the Shadows from Blue Dragon, and how they were similar, but not the same thing.
I went back up our reply-chain and found this post of mine:
"Well the main differences between the Shadows in Blue Dragon, and the Personas in Persona (other than the way they appear in relation to their summoner's body) is that these things.
Personas are:
Almost always based on a deity or mythological figure.
Are based on the Arcana.
Are a representation of a hidden side of their wielder's personality that they needed to accept.
Shadows (Blue Dragon ones) are:
Mostly based on random things, Logi's Shadow in the anime was Odin, whom is a god-figure. But The main casts Shadows are just random creatures (Dragon, Minotaur, Phionex, ect...). And some of the others are just plain weird (what the heck is Andropov's Shadow supposed to be!?)
Are categorized by Element.
Are Awoken by strong desires in the Wielder (in the anime) or by consuming another Shadow Wielder's soul (in the game). For the sake of comparison to Personas, the anime example works better: Shu's Shadow was Awoken when his village was attack and he strongly desired a way to fight back, Klukes was when her friends were going to be defeated and she desperately wanted to protect them.
If we're to consider the Awakening methods for both (using the anime explanation for Blue Dragon's Shadows) we can consider Personas to be representive of internal feelings, and Shadows of external feelings. With Personas being gained by accepting parts of yourself you wished to deny, and Shadows awoken from strong desires.
Of course, a lot of this is assumption on my part. I don't know if it helps."
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OH yeah.
Well if going by the one where there from another world, yes it's should be possible. But if going with born from external and internal it either impossible or difficult to handle as both.
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Yeah, it would probably be difficult.
With the interpretation that they of internal and external feelings, controlling both would probably be a nightmare.
I'd like to imagine it would be easier for holders of the Wildcard, since they already juggle multiple Personas. But they would probably need to form a social link with someone whom uses a Shadow instead of a Persona...
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Or hard to explain.
One problem. Social links are form with a person regardless if they have a persona or not.
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I always thought the implications were that they all had the potential to have Personas, but they didn't go through an experience that would unlock it. But the social links tell you what Arcana their Persona would be.
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And what problem they have according to that arcana.
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Yes, that's also true.
Makes me think if there were social links for Blue Dragon characters, and they were based on elements like the Blue Dragon Shadows are, instead of Arcana, would the elements reflect issues the characters have? How would elements reflect issues?
Or would it be different, since Blue Dragon Shadows seem to have more to do with outward emotions and desires, rather than hidden ones, would the elements more reflect the characters outward personality or goals?
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That wouldn't work. The Arcana and Element don't sometime relate. So different… Yukiko is agi because It's the opposite of snow which she sees as useless.
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I'm talking about the elements the Shadows in Blue Dragon are associated with.
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Yes, so I was thinking, since the Shadows in Blue Dragon are categorized by those elements, that if there were social links to enhance Shadows (Blue Dragon Shadows, not untamed Personas) that they would be based on those elements.
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how many elements are there?
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From what I can find, there are six: earth, wind, fire, water, light, and dark.
In my research, I've also found that there are also eight classes that Shadows can be: Sword Master, White Magic User, Black Magic User, Barrier Magic User, Support Magic User, Guardian, Monk, and Assassin.
I don't know which would be better to classify the Shadows under now, or to use for an equivalent to social-links.
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Elements, but that still wouldn't be alot.
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