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I originally had this drawing commissioned with different words to mourn the deaths of all the great SW characters in the EU. Since Disney bought Star Wars and decided to reboot I reworded it to mourn the entire EU that took place after ROTJ. I will miss the memorable characters created by various talented writers. I still hope we will see some of our favorite characters in EP7.The drawing was commissioned years ago and was done by VagabondX. I supplied the dialog.
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Thank you! The Thrawn Trilogy was probably the thing I liked best in the EU. I didn't like all the death during the Vong war. I really don't mind a partial reboot. Give Luke a redheaded kid and either the mother is Mara or the mother is dead and they never say the name of the woman and leave it to the fans' imaginations. Do that and I will be happy. As I said before it is the characters I will miss the most and not necessarily the story arcs.
I have a feeling that if the new movie is great the EU fans will be a lot more forgiving.
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I haven't read the new comics. I already shelled out thousands of dollars over the last couple decades on EU books and comics that are now "Legends". I don't feel like starting over.
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That would be nice. I would really like to find out what happens to some of the Legends characters. I can understand Disney not wanting books about Luke, Leia and Han to be written, but there is no reason novels about some of the lesser characters can't be written. I like Corsucant Nights with Jax Pavan. I would be interested in finding out what happens to him.
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You know what I wish they had done instead?
Make a second timeline. Let the old EU go unimpeded, but make a new one to accommodate the newer movies.
Would that confuse some uninitiated people? Well, newer printings of the old EU stuff is under the "Legends" bannert, so maybe have the new stuff in the old EU have that, so as to reduce confusion between it and the new "Canon" material.
If nothing else, though, at least the old material is still being printed.
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I don't know if anything new will be written in under the Legends banner. Probably not. That's too bad because I was hoping to find out what happens with some of the characters.
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Yeah, they probably won't. From what I can tell, though, some stuff is already being put back into canon, so at least those old stories aren't completely forgotten.
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Oh well. There is always fanfiction.
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I knew the franchise would go to crap after Disney purchased it. The Expanded Universe has TONS of potential for new films/series and they're like "Fuck it, the EU is non-canon. Whatever WE make, now THAT'S the canon post Episode VI."
Screw you Disney, SCREW YOU.
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I just hope EP7 doesn't suck. If it is fantastic then that is at least some consolation.
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It better NOT suck. Otherwise, Disney's acquisition of the Star Wars franchise will be a FAR greater screw up than Black Cauldron or any of their other mistakes.
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I'll be PrntScrn ing and saving all my comics as quickly as possible since Dark Horse wont sell them anymore. Willing to send to anybody who want's the following comics (KOTOR: whole series, Crimson Empire, Rebel Heist, The Star Wars, Star Wars Adventures, Omnibus: A long time ago, Clone Wars Volume's 1-9, Clone Wars Adventures, Omnibus: Rise of the Sith, Omnibus: Droids/Ewoks, Star Wars: Empire, Star Wars: Infinities, Star Wars: Tales, Omnibus: Rogue Squadron 1-3,The Force Unleashed, Dawn of the Jedi and several others. To anybody who wants them send me a note with email address and I'll mail it to you.
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As long as the material is out there and accepted appreciated and remembered by us, the fans, Disney can reboot all they like, it won't make any difference. Disney may own the rights to Star Wars legally, it is us the fans who keep it alive in our hearts and minds.
As for issues with reboots and redo's and such: I'm still firmly in the 'Han shot.' camp myself (stupid young and overconfident Greedo never even reached the trigger)
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I'll be PrntScrn ing and saving all my comics as quickly as possible since Dark Horse wont sell them anymore. Willing to send to anybody who want's the following comics (KOTOR: whole series, Crimson Empire, Rebel Heist, The Star Wars, Star Wars Adventures, Omnibus: A long time ago, Clone Wars Volume's 1-9, Clone Wars Adventures, Omnibus: Rise of the Sith, Omnibus: Droids/Ewoks, Star Wars: Empire, Star Wars: Infinities, Star Wars: Tales, Omnibus: Rogue Squadron 1-3,The Force Unleashed, Dawn of the Jedi and several others. To anybody who wants them send me a note with email address and I'll mail it to you.
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Its... just wrong in so many ways, to dismiss 30+ years of conssitant continuity and hard work from hundreds of artists.
As if books, comics, and games are all lesr forms of art than film.
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Omg i love this!! So clever and they will all be missed terrible
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Thank you! I hope some of the characters can get into the movie. It has been done before. At least one EU character ended up in the Prequels.
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Ok so disney killed off everything after 3 ABY, so what about the EU of the clone wars or star wars the old republic or thrawn series (those where written like 20 odd years ago)???
But it sucks loosing Mara Jade & the New Rouge Squadron crews
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I'll be PrntScrn ing and saving all my comics as quickly as possible since Dark Horse wont sell them anymore. Willing to send to anybody who want's the following comics (KOTOR: whole series, Crimson Empire, Rebel Heist, The Star Wars, Star Wars Adventures, Omnibus: A long time ago, Clone Wars Volume's 1-9, Clone Wars Adventures, Omnibus: Rise of the Sith, Omnibus: Droids/Ewoks, Star Wars: Empire, Star Wars: Infinities, Star Wars: Tales, Omnibus: Rogue Squadron 1-3,The Force Unleashed, Dawn of the Jedi and several others. To anybody who wants them send me a note with email address and I'll mail it to you.
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heyo, where do I send this note too 
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Well you do have the option of buying it. All of it........... digital.darkhorse.com/profile/…
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I'm sad to see the EU no longer be part of continuity, but I am not angry about it, as I understand why it had to be done. However, their place in lore will never die.
After all, some of those old stories could slowly find their way back into canon. The first step to creating a cohesive continuity is to clean up the chaos.
And some of these future had some experience with the EU. It may hurt to some to see certain elements against what was previously established, but at least they still live on.
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They may no longer be canon, which deeply saddens me, but regardless, we make our own canon, in our heads and in our hearts, it's cheezy as all hell I know, but as long as we keep drawing em', or writing about em', our favourite EU characters will always endure, and that's what matters the most.
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no.... we dont... that is a delusion.
The people who own it make the canon, and that is their right.
but just because they can do something doesnt mean they should.
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You may call it delusion, and sure, it's your right, but I call it imagination, it's harmless fun, so why not? People read stories of their favourite characters, they even craft their own stories, adding to their own personal interpritation of those characters, what's so wrong with that? It doesn't change the official canon, so let people have their own, if you don't like it, then leave it be.
When you really get down to it that's exactly what JJ Abrams and the other writers and producers are doing, writing their own canon, the only real difference is that his is going to be regarded as the actual official canon, and I'm not disregarding what he plans to create either, I look forward to it, but I'm also preserving the memory of the characters I love.
If something is harmless then there is no reason not to enjoy it, hell, even producers of The Clone Wars said that people should make their own conclusions to their favourite character's stories, that is an endorsement for making your own canon if ever I saw one.
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crafting your own story set in a world that isnt yours is a waste of time, put your imagination to use and create something that is yours... not hiding behind someone elses creation like a scared child afraid to truely express yourself.
you cant just "make your own canon" that is the desperate cry of someone who doesnt want to admit the owners of their favorite franchise just shit directly in your mouth.
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It may well be a waste of your time to do so, but that's your preference. Also I have several stories of my own, in worlds of their own, with no relation to any franchise. I'm not hiding in someone else's world, I'm enjoying mine and other people's personal interpritations of that world, expressing my love for that world. Would you say someone like Timothy Zahn is hiding like a scared child, and afraid to express himself when he wrote Heir to the Empire?
It's not at all a desperate cry, I'm not telling others to read my canon, I couldn't care less, it's mine, not theirs, if people like my interpretation, then good for them, if not, good for them. Look, if you're bitter about the loss of the Expanded Universe, then MAKE that universe YOUR personal canon, like I have, if you keep it in your heart then no one can take it away from you. Sure, I feel bummed out that 30+ years of colaborative world-building has been disregarded, and yeah, I think it's an insult to all those who poured their creative souls into it, but isn't that more of a reason to carry it on? To keep Expanding it in their honour? Or are you just going to accept that what Disney says is the true canon, if so, then I'm sorry going along with what the mouse says, that's what a scared child would do...
Look, I'm not trying to antagonize you, seeing your post an hour ago on this deviation, I share your view on the loss of the Expanded Universe, I love the books, the comics, the games, they're just as relevent as the films, and that's why I think everyone should have their own individual canon, I'm not saying to replace the true canon, but to have their own running side-by-side.
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"Would you say someone like Timothy Zahn is hiding like a scared child"
no.... why would I... he was given the right too do so, he was given permission, he was encouraged and his final work was approved by the people in charge. There is a fine fuckign line between fan fiction, and officially sanctioned ancillary works to a franchise.
your canon is not canon, my canon is not canon... nobodys wishes or hopes for star wars will ever be star wars.
And now nothing willl ever be star wars again, want to know something...
franchises that dont consider their books canon.... have shitty books, because the writers dont take their work seriously. Star Wars had great books because the writers always took the work seriously.
There is no such thing as an "individual canon" though in reality, in reality what is canon is canon and you cannot just take a franchise as your own, or make your own stories in it, or come up with your own version of it.
they are pointless dreams.
There are only two choices, accept the hellishly stupid idea and continue letting the owners of Star Wars abuse you because they take their fanbase for granted, or stand up and not take that shit anymore.
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There is no reason to argue. We are all Star Wars fans. We all take the news about the loss of the EU differently. I can understand why the movie makers didn't want to rehash old stories, but I honestly think a skilled author could have written a screenplay that didn't invalidate the EU, but at the same time didn't confused Star Wars fans that never read an EU book in their life. I watched the original trilogy without the benefit of watching the prequel trilogy beforehand and I was able to understand the story without knowing the details of the Clone War, the Jedi Purge, the origins of Darth Vader, or knowing Luke and Leia were siblings.
The Sequel Trilogy could have shown an elderly widower Luke with a son Ben and Leia and Han married and with a daughter. There wouldn't be a need to discuss who Ben's mother was or that Jaina had deceased brothers. If the movie was action packed there wouldn't be time to focus on the back story.
Right now my only hope is that some of our favorite EU characters reappear in the movie. If there is a part for a smuggler in the movie...why not call him Talon Karrde? If you are going to give Luke a wife...why not Mara Jade? If you are going to delete 35 years of the EU from canon (I am counting the comics and books like The Splinter of the Mind's Eye), at least try to salvage some of the best characters!
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i at least hope for a token reboot story... if I had to pick I would go with "cade skywalker healing the universe"
like his powers expand to the point where he sees that reality itself was unjured by palpatines death, and has to travel into the heart of the force to repair that tear... thus sending shockwaves through the past, present, and future of reality changing it in order to save it.
my biggest problem is simple... they arent ignoring the EU for any good reason, they have two reasons... both makes them shitty people. Actually there is a slim hope that Ben Skywalker will appear because JJ abrahms said he liked him at some point.
Its still bullshit and really in my opinion there is no reason to like star warss at this point.
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He was given the right to, yeah, but his stories are still his own addition to a fiction that was not his own, his final work was approved, sure, but had it not been those were still his fantasies about another person's world. And what's wrong with fanfiction (And please don't say Fifty Shades of Gray, I beg you...), sure, the majority of it is absurd shipping, sex, amateur writing, etc, but you can't say EVERY fanfiction ever written was bad, because that's a complete gross generalization, and are you honestly telling me you never had your own Star Wars fantasies? I mean, that's a pretty basic part of being a fan, having fantasies!
I am fully aware of that, I've stated it several times already, and that's fine, I don't care if it's not The canon, I'm fine with that, I DON'T WANT to change the official canon, I don't NEED to, because I have my own interpretation, if you can't then that only shows lack of imagination on your part.
And yes, I'm fully aware of that fact already, you don't need an Honour's Degree in Multi-Media to know that it takes passion to make something good.
I'm not "taking it as my own", my canon is "my interpretation" of it, it consists of all the events and characters I love, with a few of my own characters and stories thrown in for fun, I would never have the arrogance to say that my canon has any value to anyone else besides me, nor that it's better than anyone else's.
Exactly! Pointless! So why are you so against it if there is no point? Let people have their fun, if you don't want to join in, then don't, theres no need to be a party-pooper, pursue your own projects, the things you value, otherwise you're wasting your own time!
That last choice contradicts your argument against fan-canons, they are a way of standing up and saying: We won't be force-fed this new canon, we won't just accept that our favourite stories and characters have been swept aside. You speak of standing up, and taking no shit, but to me, you seem like the one sulking in the corner! If you believed in doing that then why are you arguing with a fellow fan, why not join in, screw the changes by following your own vision, it's not hard, and sure, it may indeed seem worthless, but that's up to your perspective, the way I see it, worthless and priceless are the same thing, as Obi Wan said: ... from a certain point of view.
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the problem with fan fiction is simple and practical, its people hiding the fact that they hate something from themselves.
fan fiction is peoples way of changing what they are looking at and living in denial, star wars isnt good anymore... its a delusion.
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