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AlejandroofCamlantis In reply to Talimee [2014-07-29 18:28:43 +0000 UTC]

Indeed about the mountains. So true about the color schemes as well!

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AlexeyRudikov In reply to Talimee [2012-08-16 21:25:53 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!
It's true about Indoril, Dres (and Dagoth also). There are no much attributes to full-fledged character and background. Unfortunately.
Maybe you have an idea about it?

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Talimee In reply to AlexeyRudikov [2012-08-19 12:18:05 +0000 UTC]

Corvis Corax has done it already and way better than I could. Are you giving it a try?

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AlexeyRudikov In reply to CorvusCorax92 [2012-08-16 21:32:11 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! Yeah, it will be a dessert! (Well, today I should tell "was a dessert"). Sorry for my tardy answers.

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CorvusCorax92 In reply to AlexeyRudikov [2012-08-17 00:01:15 +0000 UTC]

Ah, that's alright. I bet you're a pretty busy guy.

I was thinking I might be able to help, in regards to your comment above me about Indoril and Dres: House Indoril would be easier between the two of them, since they were more fully fleshed out in the lore. Basically, Indoril is like Redoran, but very religiously devote. If Redoran could be said to be about Honor, Strength, and Duty, Indoril could be described by: Piety, Tradition, and Devotion. Think of Redoran as Samurai/Knights, and Indoril as Templars/Paladins. Basically, traditional religious zealots.

House Dres is a bit more tricky to nail down; not much is given about them. But they could perhaps be described by: Loyalty, Ancient Dunmer Tradition, and Rural lifestyle. They were concentrated in the south, as plantation owners absolutely dependent on slavery for labor, and though they were loyal to the Tribunal, they had tremendous respect for even older Dunmer (or even Chimer) tradition, like ancestor veneration, daedra worship, etc. There seems to me to be an implied mistrust of the other Houses by the Dres, as if they had strayed too far from tradition. They were also the ones primarily responsible for the constant border skirmishes and raids across the southern border into Black Marsh.

And then, of course, there's House Dagoth. Most mysterious, since all we really know about them is what we see of Dagoth Ur. We also know that they were highly respected (enough to be entrusted with Kagrenac's tools) and that they were "brave warriors and powerful enchanters." Considering, as well, that they were more aligned with the Dwarves, and that they dabbled in the arcane (while not being magic-centric, like the Telvanni), one can infer that they may have been the more enlightened or progressive of the other houses, probably much less tradition-bound, and a great deal more secular. I imagine them to be a cross between Telvanni and Redoran, but less strict than Redoran, and more ethical then Telvanni, with maybe a bit of Dwemeri forward-thinking; their House symbol being an insect shows how unconventional they must have been. You could also read the 'Poison Song' book series in the game, for more reference to them.

Hope that helps.

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Talimee In reply to CorvusCorax92 [2012-08-17 11:27:29 +0000 UTC]

Wow! You described it perfectly. Thank you for saving me a lot of research on House Dagoth. I have read about House Dres and House Indoril but your describing them with "Loyalty, Ancient Dunmer Tradition, and Rural lifestyle" and "Piety, Tradition, and Devotion" summs it up better than I would have managed in a hundred years.

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CorvusCorax92 In reply to Talimee [2012-08-17 20:02:21 +0000 UTC]

Haha Thanks! Morrowind is by far my favorite game, The Elder Scrolls is my favorite series, and I'm a major lorehound: I read every book I came across in Morrowind as soon as I got it, and I also remember the first time I played Oblivion, once I got out of the sewers, I headed straight for the book store in the Imperial City (First Edition) and read every book there. I love lore!

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Talimee In reply to CorvusCorax92 [2012-08-17 21:06:01 +0000 UTC]

I love the Lore, too! But I am more of the "I read random pages in the wiki and loose one or two hours with cross-references" - persuasion, so sometimes my knowledge is pretty good and sometimes nonexistent at all. And although I read books in-game I often wait with it a long time - "A Dance in Fire" and "The Argonian Account" have been in the games since forever and I managed to read them only this year! It's shameful.

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AlejandroofCamlantis In reply to Talimee [2014-07-29 18:32:36 +0000 UTC]

         his is totally true for any lore-hungry servant of Hermaeus-Mora. Knowledge is power, even if its fictional.

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CorvusCorax92 In reply to Talimee [2012-08-17 22:29:23 +0000 UTC]

Ah, my favorites! Shame on you for waiting so long!

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Talimee In reply to CorvusCorax92 [2012-08-19 12:17:34 +0000 UTC]

I have no explanations. But somehow "Mixed Unit Tactics", "Disaster at Ionith" and other reports and journals were more alluring than prose.

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CorvusCorax92 In reply to Talimee [2012-08-19 19:27:33 +0000 UTC]

Those are great to read as well. I especially like "Mixed Unit Tactics" because you can actually meet the author (Codus Callonus) in Ald'ruhn. That really gives you the feel that you're in an authentic, persistent world; that's a big part of what makes Morrowind the best single-player RPG ever!

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Talimee In reply to CorvusCorax92 [2012-08-21 20:42:43 +0000 UTC]

Really!? I always, always immensely enjoy when game-designers make cross-references to former games or in-game-events. I did not meet this particular man, tho, mostly because I seldomly have been to Ald'ruhn, but I will make it a point to seek him out the next time I'm in Vvardenfell.
And I have to agree with you that Morrowind is the best single-player-RPG that I know regarding setting, culture and the possibilities of decision-making but I have to admit that re-playing-wise Oblivion is my game of choice. There are simply too many missions I love doing over and over and over again, like the whole Big Heist and the missions leading to it.
I think that Morrowind is a bit too static for me. I cannot really imagine the NPCs having interactions with each other (interestingly, the same goes for Skyrim) and that is another point that makes Oblivion so great for me: loitering under the Great Oak in Chorrol and eavesdropping on people or talking with The Stranger about the Gray Fox.
But, promise, the next time I'm in Ald'ruhn I check on Codus Callorus - I'm curious if he's still in the Legion.

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CorvusCorax92 In reply to Talimee [2012-08-22 04:42:31 +0000 UTC]

Awesome! If you go to Ald'ruhn, and you go to that open area immediately in front of the door to go inside of Skar (the big emperor crab), Callonus' shop should be one of the huts to your left if you're facing Skar. I think you can talk to him about his time in Elsweyr, if memory serves.

I agree that Oblivion is less static than Morrowind, but it just doesn't feel as complex as Morrowind. Like the unmarked ship wreck full of pillows, with an invoice in the captain's quarters indicating that they were on route to the woman in Balmora who is obsessed with pillows: I believe there is a quest to find her missing pillows, but stumbling across the ship way out of the way of civilization is so unlikely. It's the little things like that which makes Morrowind clearly superior in my mind. Plus the lute named the 'Fat Lute' (as in fat loot), the hidden Indiana Jones skeleton crushed under a cave-in, and, of course, the Capn's Guide to the Fishy Stick!

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Rarayn In reply to EloKomor [2012-08-13 21:19:32 +0000 UTC]

I second this statement!

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