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It really was the first example of an assault rifle, in certain way, the 6.5 arisaka was an intermediate cartridge.
I wish I have a real Fedorov in my hands too
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You are very kind as always, thank you so much!
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The Bergman was an impressive weapon.
If not for the treaty of Versailles that ended its production, it would have evolved.
If that had happened, the WW2 MG-15 might not of been developed.
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It was truly a modern project,
a relatively light, air-cooled machine gun.
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Was this french gun Fiat M1915 used on airplanes?
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It was italian, but you are right, it was designed for the airplane observers, but it had a so
high rate of fire that with a second of fire the magazines were already empty, and then the power of the Caliber 9 Glisenti was really low.
It was issued to the assault troops, the famous Arditi (daredevils).
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Interesting to see the different developments side by side. And interesting to see that a Russian model was very close to that what we know as assault riffle today.
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I agree, Indeed the Arisaka cartridge was so underpowered, compared to those of European countries,
that the Fedorov can truly be considered the first assault rifle ever made.
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Great work, as always!
Isn't it interesting to see how far they had got already then. Essentially, all our select-fire weapons have the same essentials, just details needed ironing out.
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It is true, the First World War with its tactical needs led to the development of truly innovative weapon systems,
at that time the mechanics were already very advanced, the same cannot be said of electronics, if only the attackers
had had portable radios to communicate with the commands, perhaps the war would have ended sooner.
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You're right, one doesn't really think of advanced electronics for that war. As to the war ending earlier, maybe....
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witch tech do you like most
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The Hout automatic rifle was a Canadian design? I was unaware of that. Ah According to Forgotten Weapons on Youtube. It was a conversion of a straight bolt Ross rifle or a completely different type altogether? I do know the Ross was a Terrible design with a very poor service record. Even after the war the Ross was not popular with hunters and trappers.
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One of the drawbacks to the Ross was that the bolt could be assembled incorrectly, which would cause it to fly back into the face of the shooter, severely injuring or killing him.
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Yes, it was a conversion of the Ross rifle, poor Mr. Huot spent a lot of money on
design and test his project, which remained
a pre series and never went into production since the
war ended, and the Canadian army no longer needed this
type of weapons.
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I used to have a Model 1907. It was an ex- police model with peep sights and a 10-round magazine. Sold it because I thought the ammunition to be too expensive. I was wrong.
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Damn, can I ask if the price dropped or did you make an incorrect assessment?
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It was $8.45 for 50 rounds back in 1970. $56 in today's money. A bit rich for me. Almost half a week's pay.
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Damn, it was really a lot.
This makes me think of my uncle, who lives with a
very low pension, but he spends a lot of money to buy
the 9x21 cartridges for his Beretta 98, probably
if he had a 22 LR pistol he would spend much less.
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All very interesting weapons, heat treatments and materials were still experimental, but these paved the way for what followed.
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If there had been no Garand, Mr. Melvin Johnson would have been the happiest man in the world,
he tried countless times to get his rifle approved as an ordinance weapon, but managed to
place only a few submachine guns at the marines
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Yeah, I think you are right. Some troops, especially the US Marines, swore by the Johnson rifle. The Johnson's rotary mag had a distinct advantage at the time. The weapon is a bit of a wide-body, compared to the Garand. Had it been fully adopted, I think it would have been eventually thinned down, and simplified to a stacked magazine (or stripper clip like an SAS) for production & ruggedizing considerations; just as the production Thompsons did when they abandoned the drum magazines.
Back then, the only rifle options was the Mauser type bolt style (or purchasing foreign makes), or the venerable Winchester 1895 lever gun, And of course, the M1907 which reminds me of a baby BAR in overall appearance.
The Johnson MG (M1941) was also another unique design - very similar to the FG42. Its not like Melvin Johnson didn't have a viable product pipeline, but he may have been the victim of not having enough friends on the ordinance board, or politicians with enough influence, or greased enough palms, to push through his designs to implementation.
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The Winchester M1907 is the only normal looking rifle to me.
Nice work.
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You are right, it was designed to be a weapon for civilian use, or at least for the Police's forces,
but the great need for armaments in the great war meant that the nations involved in the conflict bought everything, including weapons that used strange cartridges, making the logistics system of supply and distribution a nightmare.
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Civilian use huh? Yeah I would believe that.
There was a lot of testing and experimenting back then with weaponry.
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what i second isn't the Fusil Automatique M1917 just a semi-auto rifle
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Ok, Latin languages often use the adjective automatic, that was the official definition of the French Military Board "Fusil Automatique Modèle 1917" rather than the correct semi-automatic definition, when I write in English I always have to pay attention to it,
of course we know the difference between semi-automatic and full-automatic.
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