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arya-poenya-stock In reply to spacepawss [2014-05-13 13:40:40 +0000 UTC]

no I'm not. but I love they culture. 
and the girl from west borneo. dayak clan. 

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spacepawss In reply to arya-poenya-stock [2014-05-13 21:55:13 +0000 UTC]

okay thank you!

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Tugera In reply to spacepawss [2014-05-13 01:42:30 +0000 UTC]

I know where this line of questioning comes from, but I wonder if it might actually be rude as well as damaging to demand to know a person's ethnicity every time non-white culture is illustrated. It could be part of why so many creators stick to portraying "safe" white culture, just for the fear of being questioned, even if they themselves are not white or part that culture, and should be completely free to express who they are and their own. Uncovering cultural appropriation is one thing, but considering how people will live together and cultures will mix, demanding expressions of culture be separate based on bodily features is another.

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jaybird728 In reply to Tugera [2014-05-13 03:27:31 +0000 UTC]

As a native, a citizen of The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, I love artists like you Tugera who portay tribal cultures with respect rather than blind stereotypes and remains appropriation conscious. Whether she is native or not doesn't really matter honestly as long as the end result is respectful and true to whatever tribal traditions being portrayed. Its nice to see more artists branching out culturally in the right ways. You are very right we live together and mesh and mix and it is ok. Plus, it is so refreshing to seenative women portrayed as powerful and competent rather than sexy barefoot maidens lol

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CelticStrm-Stock In reply to jaybird728 [2014-05-13 04:13:27 +0000 UTC]

from a fellow Tsalagi. I actually went to college at NSU in Tahlequah, OK.

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jaybird728 In reply to CelticStrm-Stock [2014-05-13 07:02:46 +0000 UTC]

Haha awesome! Osiyo! It's great to meet you I live in Texas so I don't get to meet fellow Tsalagi often!

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spacepawss In reply to Tugera [2014-05-13 02:54:14 +0000 UTC]

I'm not meaning to be rude in any way, but if she isn't native, it's disrespectful to use traditional clothing as a costume.

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CelticStrm-Stock In reply to spacepawss [2014-05-13 04:14:10 +0000 UTC]

FAQ #873: What do I do when I disapprove of a Daily Deviation feature?

If you have a question or concern, please feel free to contact me via note.

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yolen In reply to spacepawss [2014-05-13 04:09:09 +0000 UTC]

Wearing it as a costume might be disrespectful, but since this is stock I believe the purpose is to create a basis for artwork, not to poke fun at their culture. If anything it draws attention to the culture and allows others to portray it as well in their own art.

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spacepawss In reply to yolen [2014-05-13 21:54:35 +0000 UTC]

oh, okay. I understand. thank you!

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dweebzilla In reply to Tugera [2014-05-13 02:26:04 +0000 UTC]

they ask because white people appropriating native culture is really offensive, especially because the model is wearing war paint

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Tugera In reply to dweebzilla [2014-05-13 03:34:45 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I know that's what they're trying to do. I'm thinking beyond that, which I think more people should, rather than going with the current shaming trends. When people attack anything that isn't the norm of white culture, questioning if it's "real" enough, it suppresses all but white culture. Look, for example, at a comparison between that movie Lone Ranger and Lord of the Rings. Johnny Depp got in trouble for portraying Tonto because he's not Native American, as I agree, they should have given a Native American actor the role, for once, rather than so predominately always using white actors. But look at Lord of the Rings. It had no such problem, though every single actor of a huge main casting is white, because they only used ideas inspired from white culture. Having a Native American character, at least, is a step in the right direction, rather than creators always being scared and tempted with the money of illustrating only white cultures.

Rather than people that want to do good in the world trying to get rid of anything that has connotations of a POC culture, lest it possibly be offensive, if there is inaccuracies to be found in it that they can identify, they should let the artist know how to correct them and focus on removing the faults.
And please notice that neither the artist nor the model is caucasian.

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dweebzilla In reply to Tugera [2014-05-13 14:18:48 +0000 UTC]

just because their skin is dark doesn't mean they're not caucasian, just like having light skin doesn't make you caucasian.

the problem with movies and entertainment isn't the fact that there are too many movies based on so-called "white culture", it's the fact that non-white culture is almost always portrayed by white people. we wouldn't have problems with non-white culture, queer culture and disabled culture if it were portrayed by actual non-white people, queer people, and disabled people.

stop implying that white people need to write more poc characters. they don't. poc need to write poc characters and those works need to be given more attention. white people aren't going to fix the problem they made, they have to step back and let the people affected fix it properly, because only they know what it was originally supposed to be.

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Tugera In reply to dweebzilla [2014-05-13 19:25:24 +0000 UTC]

Yes, there are other features to consider. There are also people of mixed ancestry.

I would say that both of those are very big problems. The stories aren't out there, when they are they're often played out and written by someone unrelated, and it's taking a very long time for new people to break into the field, because it's so monopolized by old, rich families. That's why the independents are so important.
I think you want me to be saying exactly what you don't believe, which is why you read the worst into what I have said. It's not a very helpful way to understand one another. What I said in the beginning is that policing appearances of POC culture so harshly can be discouraging to POC artists.

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dweebzilla In reply to Tugera [2014-05-13 20:05:00 +0000 UTC]

we're not policing the appearances of PoC culture in general, we're trying to keep inaccurate portrayals and offensive racial stereotypes out of said appearances. the only way for me and many others to do that is to make sure the artist/actor is part of the marginalized group they appear to represent. think- if a piece of art or film were someone's first encounter with a certain culture, is that media giving them a demonstrably accurate portrayal of that culture or is it giving the viewers an offensive stereotype or misconception? now, who's going to know more about a group- an outsider studying it, or someone who was raised with it?

some things are okay to be portrayed by an outsider because it's only a singular facet of the culture, and one easily understood by a newcomer. for example, some asian countries have diets mainly consisting of seafood and rice, as they're close to the ocean and their land is well-suited for rice growing. drawing people from that area eating rice balls and sushi isn't going to be offensive because it's easily understood and not so easily misconstrued. on the other hand, an outsider drawing someone, say, involved in something like a native american ritual, could easily misinterpret something or be swayed by stereotypes and make something offensive or end up with a completely inaccurate portrayal of an important aspect of that culture. that inaccurate and offensive miscommunication could spread massive misconceptions and severely impact the treatment of that group. think gay stereotypes and the common but horribly wrong impression that trans women are just perverted cross-dressing men. both of those things are misinterpretations turned into stereotypes and spread by an outsider.

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epictoothpaste In reply to spacepawss [2014-05-13 00:49:47 +0000 UTC]

dear god I hope so

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