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This has been something that I've been wanting to do a while. It's a quick one-shot, but I wanted it to be in this squiggly style.I hate, honestly, calling myself a feminist because it has such a negative connotation. Please, people. Know the difference between feminists and feminazis.
Feminists: want men and women to have the exact same rights and treatment by society.
Feminazis: want superiority over men in order to "make up for" past injustices against women.
That is all. Kthxbai.
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I fight for equal rights on all counts: sex, race, religion, sexual preference, etc.
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This has gotten a ridiculous amount of attention lately, and I find a lot of people are coming to it with 2 things to say:
"Feminism isn't needed any more. Women and men are already equal!" (Ironically, they often tend to go on about how women have now oppressed men. If we were truly equal, neither gender would feel oppressed. I call bullshit on this thusly.) "The word is inappropriate for its meaning." Well, people, I agree. The word has a woman-leaning edge to it, doesn't it? But that doesn't change the concept behind the word, which is equality for both genders. Imagine not feeling like women are treated better or have more rights in certain areas than you men do! Feminism, true feminism, supports that! True feminism wants you to have the same rights we do, and vice versa. Equal treatment is equal treatment! Let's not get caught up because the word's root leans toward women.I've said all I can say about it.
=Elinah has approached all the debate points already and has said pretty much everything I could/would say, but more succinctly (and albeit perhaps with a bit more fire
) So, whatever you were going to say, please read her post.*LiLBlueHorse516 brings up another point some of you have brought to the table. I advise you to visit this stamp and read the description and the comments about it as well, as some of the comments help explain why "humanism" and other neutral-rooted variants aren't as fitting terms.
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Where was this posted? It had to have been posted somewhere recently because it is getting an influx of comments that are picking it apart lately. I'm just curious.
As for your post, I addressed that in an early comment and thought I had added it to the description, but I see I didn't. (Here it is: [link] )
Yes, we are equal, but neither sex is treated as equal in all aspects of the law or culture or life. Women still aren't paid as well as men in many professions, and women still control divorce court. Because of those and many other situations like thaem, feminists are still needed, even if that's not what they're called. I realize the word has a bad connotation to it, but that's the whole point of the comic.
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this can also be applied to SO many other things. for example, some African Americans feeling like they deserve special treatment from European Americans because of the abombination of slavery. almost every AA person in my school acts like this and it is really annoying. racism is terrible and is not justifiable for any side, regardless on whether or not it was "your" side that was wronged. by having "sides" you show just how racist you are yourself because we all belong to the human race.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. Slavery was a terrible thing, and it has never been "righted," but to take it out on people who've never owned slaves is also very, very wrong. Thanks for contributing.
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this can also be applied to SO many other things. for example, some African Americans feeling like they deserve special treatment from European Americans because of the abombination of slavery. almost every AA person in my school acts like this and it is really annoying. racism is terrible and is not justifiable for any side, regardless on whether or not it was "your" side that was wronged. by having "sides" you show just how racist you are yourself because we all belong to the human race.
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There was a time that Feminism was needed, but radical feminism has taken the same route that radical African-Americans or Radical Hispanics (ahem, M.E.Ch.A. anyone?) have taken. Fortunately the pendulum is starting to swing back towards the middle, whereas man-stomping feminism really took America by the nuts in the 1990s, even going as far as to objectify men. Extremes in any category are never a good thing.
As for voting, women haven't had that problem of not being allowed to vote in nearly a century. Some states, such as Wyoming (1868) and California (1911) allowed women to vote before the 19th Amendment made it happen in 1920. If any women aren't voting now, it's probably for the same reason that men aren't voting: None of the candidates are worth the powder to blow to Hell.
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Has this been featured somewhere? It's getting a lot of attention suddenly.
You're 100% correct in all that you say. Radicals tend to ruin everything, from important movements to television shows. The word has been marred and the image has been tarnished by man-haters.
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Yes. You're friends with a friend of mine named Jenna Fang on Facebook and she had it on her profile.
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"Feminists: want men and women to have the exact same rights and treatment by society."
If that definition were true there would be no need for feminists anymore. Women have ever right that men do. Except that they wanted more rights and now we've gone from having equality of oppurtunity to equality of outcome (which isn't equality at all.)
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Just because we supposedly no longer need them doesn't change the definition of feminism.
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Sure it does. Because they no longer have a reason to exist, feminists have had to invent new pretend crimes that men have committed. Unforunately that make your top box a pretty accurate depiction of contemporary feminism.
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That's the term getting hijacked. I'm not referring to modern or contemporary feminisim. That's what the first panel describes. It's been warped into something not worthy of even being called feminism, which is what my comic is pointing out. Classic feminism, on the other hand, is the distinction the comic is making between the two. Feminazis are not feminists no matter what they call themselves any more than the Westboro Baptists are Christians just because they claim to be.
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And the word Faggot use to mean a pile of dried sticks tied up with twine, used for starting cooking fires in the wilds. Words change & these days feminism & feminist mean crazy screaming misandrist out for revenge on all men.
Also the Westboro Baptists are Christians, not because they say so, but because they follow the christian mythology.
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where in the Bible does it say, "go around and protest everything, and tell the world that God hates them"? sorry, but as a Christian, I am very offended that people would associate those people with my belief.
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Thats okay, i'm offended by all religion. The only difference between the WBC & the majority of christians from what i can see is the WBCers are just more honest about the things they are bigoted about.
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Just for the sake of historical accuracy, do you know who else was not allowed to vote in the time period you are refering to? Actually it might be easier to tell you who was allowed to vote: White Men, who were the head of a house hold, who owned land. So not only were women not allowed to vote, neither were men who owned no property (who made up the majority). The problem is, feminism constanly makes it sound like it was them specifically who were being oppressed, when in truth if you weren't white, male & old you were not top dog.
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That is true, but feminism goes deeper than voting rights.
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Yeah, but so does feminist revisionist history, unfortunately.
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Actually no. The top box is what feminists really are. The bottom is what they pretend to be.
By your definition, feminists have no real movement. Decent women who want reasonable are pushed aside with "A man falsely accused of rape can learn something from the experience."
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No, the top is what feminazis are. Sorry that the vocal few have ruined your view of the whole.
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It is the vocal few and the practicing many that ruined it.
Crazy ass bitches ruined feminism the same way that Hitler ruined the nazis. I just don't see any redemption left.
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That's too bad, but yes, a lot of crazy ass bitches make it hard for the rest of us to be taken seriously (which is why I never call myself a feminist 
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Even so, i have my doubts when any feminist says she's for equality. Because what they usually mean is they want equality for women. It never occours to them that just maybe men are being treated unfairly by society & the law in general due to sexism.
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Try to be more open-minded about it. Stereotyping leads to a lot of bad things.
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Its not a case of sterotyping, its straight up observation. When was the last time you heard of a feminist fighting for male reproductive rights? When was the last time you heard a feminist say that all domestic violence was a crime including DV peretrated by women? When was the last time you heard feminists call Rape Shield Laws a travesty of justice?
Feminists seem to be all for equality... Equality for women that is. Equality for men they could care less about, in which case you aren't really for equality.
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I can understand your point of view, but not all feminists are the way you describe, and assuming they are is indeed stereotyping. The movement has been hijacked and unfortunately, between the crazies who have hijacked it and the people like you who have been burned by the crazies, it makes it difficult for any of us to be taken seriously. As a result, we often keep our mouths shut because it's not worth getting stereotyped as a crazy man-hater.
True feminists like me do want to work with men on all the things you just listed (because feminists are still needed for those exact reasons), but it's become pretty difficult to make progress because of the connotation the word has these days. You and my comic are describing feminazis, not feminists.
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I'm sorry but if you aren't also out to help with those things you aren't really interested in Equality. If you think feminism is about equality of the genders & you aren't trying to get equality for both genders, you've failed at your stated goal before you've even started.
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Sometimes it's just not worth it.
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If equality is your goal, you have to make it worth it.
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant sometimes debating isn't worth it. I'm really tired today and I just don't have much energy to devote to it. But you have made your feelings about feminists known, and while I disagree with them, I thank you for adding to the discussion.
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I loved 1984. Such a great story. I'm pretty sure the protagonist said that women were more inclined to support the Party, which actually goes along rather well with certain recent trends.
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I never got the bra burning thing. I like bras, dammit.
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I think it's a misguided attempt at symbolism. Bras were made by a woman anyway, to help women.
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Yeah of all the things that oppress women, I don't think bras are THAT major. But easier to burn.
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Since when is equality feminine?
If you want equal rights for all people, genders and races, then you're a humanist, not a feminist.
Welcome to the greater cause.
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Which is why I said I don't like the word :/
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I know. I'm not dissing the bra.
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I love you.
Seriously. Not just for "getting it" about feminism... but also for your icon.
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LoL yeah.
Oh, those Russians.
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OH HELL YES!
I'm gonna go home to paint my nails and make a tasty sandwich. Le gasp!
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