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angelstar2114 [2011-08-19 18:29:48 +0000 UTC]
thanks for telling me
but I want to know
how many kinds of catholic are there
I am roman catholic but my friends tell me I am Christian
so what are the kinds>
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Oswulf In reply to angelstar2114 [2012-07-24 21:48:36 +0000 UTC]
I'm gonna be a horse's ass and add to the stuff the other guy said. There actually are over twenty flavours of Catholicism. However, unlike with your heretical denominations, the various Sui Juris (flavours) of Catholicism are all in union with the Holy See and Pope, and have Apostolic lineage. Roman Catholicism is the oldest and probably best organised manifestation of Catholicism. I think there are 23 Sui Juris, and the ones I know about are Greek, Maronite, Melkite, and Russian. The basis of difference is in the manner orthopraxis is achieved, but mister (missus?) !camau already covered that. So anyway, good luck and God bless!
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camau In reply to angelstar2114 [2011-09-29 10:01:54 +0000 UTC]
Everyone who believes in the trinity is Christian so yes, we are Christian.
And we are Roman Catholic. There aren't different types of Roman Catholic, just different rites. These rites do some stuff differently (traditional stuff: clothing, gestures, parts of the mass) but they all recognize the Holy Father as head of the temporal church and follow the Roman Catholic teachings on doctrine and morals.
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ImitatingLight333 [2011-08-04 15:37:40 +0000 UTC]
You are a braver Catholic than myself Styro! Thanks for doing this!
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camau In reply to pixxishiv [2011-09-29 10:03:51 +0000 UTC]
You should buy the Youcat.
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Neoconvoy [2011-07-18 18:31:52 +0000 UTC]
Very good.
Also, the answers given in the comment area are interesting too.
Blessings !!!
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EnuoCale [2011-07-18 10:13:37 +0000 UTC]
Back from my retarded trip.
This is good, too. We still need to see if we can find some more people who want to be blog writers. Preferably competent ones. So that the idea of cross-area discussions is imagined, even if not actualized.
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TESM In reply to Aodhagain [2011-07-17 21:15:38 +0000 UTC]
I would claim a few saints are excellently good Catholics.
I'm also convinced, as my new piece on Confession gets polished up, that it's not so much the destination of "holiness" (in a manner of speaking) that we must operate from, but rather it is that constant journey towards Him that God desires. This is why I believe the Psalmist says "Offer praise as your sacrifice to God; fulfill your vows to the Most High" (Ps 50:14). In this manner, we often get so laden with guilt that "we're not there yet" that we forget it is by His grace that we even begin moving, and we ought to be thankful for that.
I also thought St. Peter, in the end, was a pretty decent Catholic.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to TESM [2011-07-18 00:45:13 +0000 UTC]
Interesting. Wouldn't the argument be that by operating from the platform of constant journey towards Christ that one simultaneously grows in holiness? Or perhaps thats what you're saying...
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TESM In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-18 02:16:57 +0000 UTC]
precisely. We are never, or rarely, at a destination. As Francis de Sales says (to paraphrase) 'the journey of ourselves towards God does not end, nor ought it to end, but with our deaths.'
So too with our spiritual growth, it has to grow with us. As we grow old, a whole varied set of weaknesses beset us and thus new challenges, physical and spiritual. For "the devil prowls like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour" even til our last breath. We ought not lose our crown, for, as St. Paul says, "only those who run the race are worthy of a crown of victory."
We start it, and we have to finish it.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to TESM [2011-07-18 02:30:24 +0000 UTC]
Very good. Complacency is such a dangerous vice, and one Catholics have to be aware of more than others. Once you avail yourself to the Graces of almighty God, Satan will try to convince that "its enough." Never. You can never be too close to God.
I look forward to reading this!
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TESM In reply to Aodhagain [2011-07-17 21:34:57 +0000 UTC]
and, nevertheless, as I meditate with St. Francis de Sales, this was the called us to this in the 17th century, not to say anything for Bonaventure and Aquinas 500 years before then. I think so much beauty of Catholic history is lost, even on us.
This struck me at Mass this morning, from the 1st reading on Wisdom. Something to the effect that "And you taught your people, by these deeds, that those who are just must be kind; (Wisdom 12:18).
Awesome passage.
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TESM In reply to Aodhagain [2011-07-18 02:13:12 +0000 UTC]
The one from two weeks ago (I think) that said "be shrewd as a serpent but peaceful as a dove" is great too.
Hopefully you'll like my piece on Confession where I try and make good use of the Psalms and Proverbs.
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TESM In reply to Emprovision [2011-07-17 02:18:26 +0000 UTC]
yup! In effect this Advent.
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StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-16 19:48:27 +0000 UTC]
I wanted to add, as a comment, I left out a very important thing. In question one where I say that anyone may attend mass, only baptized catholics in the state of grace may recieve Holy Communion.
I am adding this here instead of in the article because, frankly, its already long enough.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-16 21:48:15 +0000 UTC]
In other words, you can attend mass whether you're catholic or in the state of grace, but you may only recieve Holy Communion if you're Catholic and in the state of grace.
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TESM In reply to sixlessthansixty [2011-07-17 02:19:33 +0000 UTC]
No, it's because he chose men in that ministry. Women, especially considering the time (for the sake of argument) maintained a much higher position because of Christ, but he still never had any of them as his 'apostles.'
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TESM In reply to sixlessthansixty [2011-07-17 03:33:38 +0000 UTC]
In all honesty, we get so caught up in equality (as meaning I get whatever someone else gets) that we no longer let people be who they are (i.e., men and women).
Likewise, I think when we reduce people to a role we can diminish them, but when we perfect ourselves within our role we outshine everyone else in that capacity.
I think Christ elevated women to a very high position, especially considering that He revealed Himself first to St. Mary Magdalene. Nevertheless, he called on men to be his priestly advocates, but there are women of equal honor (an important distinction) in His Church and in his circle, as opposed to equal (i.e., the same) roles.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to sixlessthansixty [2011-07-18 00:38:38 +0000 UTC]
Some of the most famous saints were terrible sinners. St. Paul made a living killing Christians. St Augustine was a libertine and a drunk.
The Church is a refuge for sinners, not from sinners.
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TESM In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-19 03:17:03 +0000 UTC]
I think as scrupulous as Augustine was with himself, that's just mean. He was a neo-platonic skeptic, that's bad enough.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to TESM [2011-07-19 03:32:46 +0000 UTC]
Ha, I mean no disrespect to a father of the Church. But I think he would be the first to admit his shortcomings. I am not "calling him out" rather I am using him as an example of how the worst sinners can make the great saints. These men and women, are in particular, I think the best examples to people who are not Catholic (yet.) I am a revert, was raised in the faith and then turned atheist/pagan for quite a while. For those that seek the truth, often they have a difficult time reconciling their pride with God's mercy. He has offered it to us, and it is free.
I love the stories of saints who have done such wrong. They speak to the unlimited mercy of God. Think of St Peter- I mean, I can tell you right now if I was around during that time, God forgive me, if Jesus says to Peter "You are my pope" I'm thinkg... "Eh, Lord, this man denied you."
But haven't we all? Ever think about that? I'm sure you have. What about John? The beloved one, the only apostle not to desert Christ. He wasn't the first pope. Of course, the beautiful thing with John is that He loved our Lord so, it didn't matter to him one iota. But no, Peter, the man who denied Christ three times and right after recieving Holy Communion, nonetheless, was Our Lord's choice for pope.
But yeah, I mean to disrespect to the good doctor, I only meant to point out that what a person did is no indication of what they are capable of doing with the Grace of God Almighty.
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TESM In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-19 03:48:19 +0000 UTC]
Personally Peter is a personal favorite of mine, because he was also the only saint who, although not for long, walked on water as well. I think that John himself was gifted with death from old age, like apparently Mary Magdelene. All of the other apostles were martyred.
From my perspective, I've always been Catholic and (in some manner) have brought many of my family members back to the faith... I'm still working on some.
As for your last statement, that's their great beauty indeed.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to TESM [2011-07-25 20:18:18 +0000 UTC]
Well wasn't John exiled?
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TESM In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-25 20:29:44 +0000 UTC]
He was, but "exile" in the ancient world doesn't necessarily mean under strict guard like a house arrest. There was undoubtedly a community that formed around him and his literature. Jesus did say "pray that you might not undergo the test." John remained with Jesus and Christ confided with him at the last supper as well.
I should say that my statement "brought back many family members to the faith" is a bit overboard. I should say "some" [just a personal reference for me in the future].
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to TESM [2011-07-25 20:31:04 +0000 UTC]
well yah, I thought I read they put him on an island somehwere....
or maybe that was napolean...
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TESM In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-25 20:42:12 +0000 UTC]
No, they did exile him to an island, but it's not like they didn't have boats. Likewise, he is supposedly said to have trained St. Polycarp (who taught St. Irenaeus).
So the Romans did banish him to an island, but he died, apparently about 100AD which would put him at about 80-90 years old, which is pretty dang good in the ancient world.
it was the island of Patmos, but he was just banished from the Roman empire, but many communities in the early Church wrote for his help and wisdom.
I'm afraid I don't know much more than that.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to TESM [2011-07-25 21:17:54 +0000 UTC]
Well its really interesting because all the other apostles were martyred, and here's John the beloved and they won't even touch him, they put him on his own island.
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TESM In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-25 21:31:33 +0000 UTC]
as far as legend goes he was boiled in oil but to no effect. It was in a Colleseum. Many were apparently converted through this and Romans, fearing his resilience, exiled him. I think, given the nature of the Roman persecutions, there can be some inference that something happened for even the Romans to get rid of him via exile and not martyrdom.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to TESM [2011-07-25 22:13:49 +0000 UTC]
ha, if I put somebody in boiling oil and they put their feet up and asked for a mai-tai and a magazine, I'd get rid of them in quick fashion too!
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TESM In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-25 22:20:13 +0000 UTC]
Yea, reading certain accounts from St. Austin, Polycarp, etc. St. John ordained many bishops in the Orient Churches ans spoke against many heresies. This is perhaps why both Islam and Orthodox churches respect St. John as well.
A great, free resource is Butler's Lives of the Saints in 12 volumes. Most/all on Google books.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to TESM [2011-07-25 22:21:46 +0000 UTC]
Great heads up, thanks!
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TESM In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-25 23:03:08 +0000 UTC]
the language can be a touch archaic, as it was published about 1850, but as a Latin-lover yourself, his diction should be old hat.
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StyrofoamB00ts In reply to TESM [2011-07-26 02:46:41 +0000 UTC]
Actually, I did a search for it and all i found were modern translations wherein those who had reviewed the text were particularly dismayed...
Do you have a link to something that isn't a revision? Or a better revision? I'm not sure if the stuff I found was what you're talking about
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TESM In reply to StyrofoamB00ts [2011-07-26 02:53:48 +0000 UTC]
My mistake. The modern title is "Lives of the Saints"
The proper title is The Lives of the Fathers, Martyrs, and other Principal Saints" which is by Butler (1821).
One such book is here (vol VII, July) [[link]
You'll have to do some digging for the rest, but an awesome set to download.
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TESM In reply to sixlessthansixty [2011-07-19 03:20:14 +0000 UTC]
Reading Augustine's Confessions is a great insight into this. Likewise St. Francis de Sales "Intro to a Devout Life" shows this.
Some saints were pure, in a manner, in charity and love. St. Anthony, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Therese of Lisieux for example.
But sainthood is founded on humility, devotion, and doing God's work (faith, hope, and charity/love) in whatever manner of life you lead. There are saints who were farmers who lived quietly all their days and simply prayed every day, went to mass, were kind to animal and person alike, and did their work (St. Isidore the Farmer). Others were widowed janitors (St. Guy) and some were mothers who lost their children and husband (St. Rita).
They're beautiful examples of living a saintly life precisely where we live our own.
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TESM In reply to sixlessthansixty [2011-07-19 16:51:05 +0000 UTC]
Ha, now actually doing it requires some work!
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