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Jay10-000 [2019-03-20 19:59:21 +0000 UTC]
This response is late, but I'm glad someone managed to take the time and see the good in Alien Force (this coming from someone who grew up with it and had mixed feelings at best towards it).
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Jay10-000 In reply to Darinas [2019-03-21 12:15:42 +0000 UTC]
you're welcome
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TheSuperZ [2014-04-20 22:56:11 +0000 UTC]
I thought this was pretty good. The only thing I think you missed were the new supporting characters like Julie or Paradox. Aside from that I think this was good.
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Darinas In reply to TheSuperZ [2014-04-21 09:24:04 +0000 UTC]
Well, now that I look back at it I think I should have been a bit more objective^^' but thanks. And yeah, sorry about forgetting those two.
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MyAnimeAlternative [2013-08-22 18:54:25 +0000 UTC]
Awesome essay! When Alien Force first came out here in the UK, it was a huge hit! Everyone thought it was way more epic than the original Ben 10. But obviously there were a few critics who thought Alien Force changed it, and hated how Kevin just randomly started to like Gwen even though they haven't seen each other for 5 years. In my opinion, I completely agree with you, Kevin was one of the most likely villains to become a good guy, especially after spending time in the Null Void. I also think the storylines are good and the villains are really suitable to the show.
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Darinas In reply to MyAnimeAlternative [2013-08-22 20:08:48 +0000 UTC]
Well, actually, this review is a bit old. By now, I have realized there were some actual mistakes I didn't notice... but overall, my opinion hasn't really changed, and Alien Force remains my favourite entry of the franchise^^ Glad to know there are some place where people actually agree with me.
Just curious, what do you think of Ultimate Alien and Omniverse ?
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Dim432 In reply to Darinas [2013-11-26 10:23:16 +0000 UTC]
Also CR said its actally based on a Comic called Dial H for Hero where a little kid changed into different heroes
also I do not like thise show because the characters are bland, the orignal version looked real and associated with them or they should make a spin off from Gwen Tennyson to be Lucky Girl to face agents magic fowes
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Darinas In reply to Dim432 [2013-11-26 15:22:49 +0000 UTC]
Honestly, that review is a bit dated by now; my opinion has evolved since then, and I do aknowledge Alien Force had flaws. But I stand by my point it's still my favourite over the Original Show and the atrocity that is Omniverse.
Yeah, I heard arguments like this a lot of time before. If "bland" mean "being actually smart, mature and not acting like a parody of generic shonen kid heroes", then I guess you could say they are bland. I do not share this definition of "bland" though, so you will forgive me if I disagree^^'
Lucky Girl was cool, but frankly, she is overrated by fans. I don't believe for a second a spin-off show based on her would work.
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Dim432 In reply to Darinas [2013-11-27 23:40:42 +0000 UTC]
True, but the original characters are still timeless characters if this had a new season would see them grown a little and have the same animation, but alien force and ultimate alien are crap CR from familiar faces did cover this up.
Also I did a review in race agents time. I know it was aim at kids to pronounced a lot if action figures, but still the original ben 10 will always be the best
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Darinas In reply to Dim432 [2023-02-10 14:28:12 +0000 UTC]
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Darinas In reply to Dim432 [2013-11-28 00:20:07 +0000 UTC]
Bah. You are obviously blinded by nostalgia. The Original Series has the best artstyle, and has the privilege to be the first Ben 10 show, but in the end, it doesn't deserve the pedestal it's given. Ben was an immature brat (granted, that was understandable considering his age, but they could have developped him over the course of the show) whose potentially interesting power was mostly wasted by him constantly going for a brutal approach, Gwen was an irritatingly perfect child (I still find the fact they made her better than Ben at using the Omnitrix STUPID), Vilgax was basically a generic evil overlord with no development and NONE of the potential the series had to create a coherent universe was fully exploited. It did the best job at balancing dark and humor (most of the time at least), and in the end it was a pretty good show, but it already had the seeds of Man of Action's crappy writing that revealed itself in their Marvel shows.
Do you REALLY think that just because a guy from That Guy With the Glasses said it, it's true?
Alien Force is by no mean perfect, but it did tries to be its own thing, and honestly, it was good for at least the first two seasons. Sure, the design were a bit flat compared to the original show, but otherwise, the show had the credit to make Ben FINALLY get mature and genuinely badass instead of the bratty kid from the original show. Also, the villain had a bit more fleshed out motivations. Season 3 started get thing bad.... and guess what ? This was because THEY TRIED TO BE MORE LIKE THE ORIGINAL SHOW!!! Of course the characters got "dumber", as CR said, because the writers tried to get them closer to their 10 YEARS OLD SELVES! So, yeah, the Original show kinda was Alien Force's downfall in a way.
Ultimate Alien essentially was a mixed bag; some episodes it could be great, others it could get really stupid. They obviously no longer had any idea where they were going. We still got some good bits, like Vilgax being badass again, Aggregor, or things like this, but that was it.
As for Omniverse.... well.... *sigh* the less I talk about that one, the better.
Overall, no Ben 10 show to date really gave me what I expected. I keep the hope that, when that abomination of Omniverse will be over, they will reboot the whole franchise like they did with Transformers, and we will FINALLY get a proprer coherent show where they will mix elements of all previous installment right.
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Dim432 In reply to Darinas [2013-11-28 00:36:07 +0000 UTC]
The thing brewers me in alien force is how did he take off the nitric? And hindus it upgrade into a new one I mean how
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Darinas In reply to Dim432 [2013-11-28 00:44:55 +0000 UTC]
Well, now we are starting to have a more interesting debate...
I never found that important for the writers to reveal why those things happened (I have a thing for the concept of a hero returning, so I was too in awe to bother about it), but when thinking about it again, yeah, it's sad they never bothered explaining why he stopped being a hero for a while. They could have used flashback to explain it over the course of season 1, for example. But I consider it a minor problem compared to... well, almost everything Omniverse did actually^^'
As for the Omnitrix upgrading, I agree they didn't explain it very well, but what I understood was that the Omnitrix needed to recalibrate due to Ben not using it for a long time and having age since then. It does make sense that the Omnitrix would reset itself on a new set of 10 after a while, if you think about it. Also, honestly it's not really the weirdest thing it ever did (what with randomly unlocking aliens or revealing a scanner function out of nowhere in the Original show).
By the way I checked CR's opinion on it. I don't like it; his analysis of the shows are pretty shallow, and make you feel like he only checked like two or three episodes randomly and made his opinion about it. I still wait for someone on That Guy With the Glasses to make an actually developped analysis of all those series.
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Dim432 In reply to Darinas [2013-11-28 09:08:08 +0000 UTC]
Yeah its like doing a new power rangers season except that they don't explane how they use the morphing grid or the morphers
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Darinas In reply to Dim432 [2013-11-28 10:15:32 +0000 UTC]
I don't know. A lot of seasons in Power Rangers didn't give clear explanations on a few things, and in some cases that didn't prevent them from being good (well... as good as Power Rangers can be, at least).
Honestly, I don't think it was NEEDED to explain why Ben removed the Omnitrix and why it upgraded. It's sad they didn't, but it wasn't needed. Five years had passed, a lot of things can happen. The one thing I feel they should have explained instead would be why the Plumbers went from secret organization to space police. Now THAT's a thing I feel Alien Force really did wrong. But unlike so many whiny fanboys, I am willing to forgive it and like the show for what it is.
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Dim432 In reply to Darinas [2013-11-28 17:05:42 +0000 UTC]
I think man of action have to reboot it and make it more since and logical if its called Ben 10 returns and sees how he got the omitrix removed it would make sence
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Darinas In reply to Dim432 [2013-11-28 19:41:34 +0000 UTC]
Actually, I am more thinking about a reboot that would take back the series from its beginning and better mix the elements. I have tried doing that myself in a fanfic, partially with a friend (though he has given up when Omniverse came out). The idea would be to reimagine the character and mix the elements better. Like, you know, give Ben his mischevious side from the Original show while retaining the badassery and smart of the first two season in Alien Force. Or mix Kevin's psychotic tendencies with more antiheroic elements so him turning good would appear less out of nowhere. Things like that.
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Dim432 In reply to Darinas [2013-11-28 22:43:28 +0000 UTC]
Well that could work, if they scrap alien force and ultimate alien then call it Ben 10, Ben 10 new adventures, Ben 10 beyond omitrix.
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Darinas In reply to Dim432 [2013-11-28 23:06:08 +0000 UTC]
You misunderstood. I am not talking about scrapping the sequels; I am talking about fusing them with the Original Show to make a reboot. Like taking what was good in each show and combine them proprerly.
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Dim432 In reply to Darinas [2013-11-29 00:10:52 +0000 UTC]
Got it and I think cartoon network will see it and BAZING it will be a huge TV hit
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MyAnimeAlternative In reply to Darinas [2013-08-23 18:29:25 +0000 UTC]
In my opinion, Omniverse is ok, but it is very disappointing compared to the previous three series. The art style is hideous, Ben doesn't look like a teenager anymore, and the designs for Bellwood aren't even realistic anymore. I like Rook as a character, I actually do think it was a good idea having ONE partner for this series, as opposed to two, to see how Ben would react. I was unsure about Gwen and Kevin leaving at first, probably because they have been there for so long. But then I started to like Rook more, and seeing how the two get used to each other's character. Another thing I like about it is the flashbacks to 11 year old Ben. This informs us a little bit about what happened shortly after the original series. The main thing I HATE about Omniverse though is Ben and Julie breaking up through some stupid misunderstanding. Julie finally kissed Ben on the lips at the very end of the last Ultimate Alien episode, the two were finally a comfortable couple and had sorted out their problems throughout UA, now they decide to break them up. Another thing is that Ben has become immature, making it appear that he has done no growing up since Alien Force (eg showing off about saving the world "billions of times")
Ultimate Alien, is actually my favourite series of Ben 10. what I like about this series is that it shows us a lot about Kevin's background, and explains some of his paranoid behaviours in the original series. The two have matured a lot ever since the beginning of Alien Force, and they are now comfortable with being friends. What I didn't like about it was Ben and Julie arguing in a lot of episodes over things which need not be so important (eg the tennis match in Duped). There relationship problems get sorted by the end of the series (as I mentioned before she kisses him in the last episode) so they remain a couple (until Omniverse). I also like the Ultimate Alien Forms, because it was a unique way to make the aliens more interesting.
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Darinas In reply to MyAnimeAlternative [2013-08-24 10:14:04 +0000 UTC]
I see...
For the most part I agree with you, though I am not really so clement about Omniverse^^' I have tried to give the show a chance, but it just disappointed my expectations. Ben's character development have been completely abandonned in favour of amplifying his immaturity and flaws to the point he now seems like a parody of himself (what I really liked about the AUF era was that it made Ben fully badass, and I HATE idiot heroes). The artstyle, as you said, is horrible, especially some unnecessary changes like Alien X, Kevin, and my favourite alien, Big Chill. The flashback actually were clever at first, and the first story arc with Malware was interesting (Malware is to my opinion the best villain the franchise had since quite a while: he has an actual origin, fleshed out motivations and good build-up), but his finale was rushed, completely incoherent and had one of the biggest deus ex machina I ever saw. Rook is a cool character I admit, but he tends to outshine Ben (though it got better on that point). Most villains and aliens are uncreative, overly goofy and impossible to take seriously. The show tends to over-do continuity nods without concern about weither they make sense or not (like featuring Exoskull, a FUTURE villain, as a present cameo) and without doing anything interesting with them (Yeaaaaah, Ben 10000 cameo.... wait, they aren't even gonna give him an actual episode or story arc ?!!). And of course, what is making me consider to give up completely on the show: the infamous break-up with Julie. Not only is this a blatant, shallow attempt to please the fanbase (Julie was quite unpopular amongst many fans), but the way they did it was convoluted, lazy and a complete waste of character, not to mention disrespectful toward the UA finale. Also, the so-called "perfect Omnitrix" has yet to show anything new compared to the Original Omnitrix and Ultimatrix, and seems so far to work even less than them.
Sorry if I sound a bit like a hater, I am just REALLY tired of the mess this show did. My opinion is, the continuity is so messed up at this point, they should just reboot the franchise as a whole.
As for Ultimate Alien... well, I have mixed feelings about it. I think the main problem with this show is that, at this point, the writers weren't really sure anymore of what they wanted to do (unlike AF, who was intended to be darker and edgier, or Omniverse, who was intended to be goofier). As a result, the show would constantly switch between dark and goofy, sometimes going from one extreme to the other (like sometimes you'd get a dumb episode like Duped, others you'd get an overly dark one like Catching a Falling Star). Still overall, the show had some good concepts, like Aggregor (though I wish they had fleshed out his motivations a bit), developping Kevin's past and reason for his change (which some fans disliked, but I perfectly thought worked well) and of course fixing Vilgax's Villain decay from season 3 of AF by making him a big treath again. The Ultimate Aliens are either a silly gimmick to sell more toys or an interesting improvement, depending on who you ask. In my opinion, they actually managed to make them work, though some of them seemed a bit lazy (I still don't get how Ultimate Big Chill really is an improvement on the original Big Chill for exemple). I am still a bit sad they are gone with Omniverse. Over all, Ultimate Alien wasn't as good as AF to me, but it still managed to impress me on occasions, and gave a really good finale.
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spikerules64 [2013-02-19 00:26:16 +0000 UTC]
I fell in love with alien force when it first aired I loved how complex and mature ben gwen and kevin had gotten since the original series and I loved the compex plots
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-19 07:11:01 +0000 UTC]
Thanks^^' Well, to be fair, the show wasn't perfect, but I still see it as one of my favourite shows.
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spikerules64 In reply to Darinas [2013-02-19 14:03:51 +0000 UTC]
What about ultimate alien the only problem I had with ultimate alien was the relationship between ben and julie it just seems like almost every episode there in there either fighting breaking up or getting back together
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-19 16:12:43 +0000 UTC]
I intended to do a review of Ultimate Alien, but forgot about it and had no time. Sorry about this^^'
Well... honestly, Ultimate Alien is a mixed bag; there are stuff I like and others I don't. Season 1 was fairly decent, except for some misplaced fillers, one really bad episode ("Duped" to be specific) and some minor wasted plot elements. I do think however, Aggregor was a total badass that I wish they brought back instead of having DJW complaining he doesn't wear a shirt (no comment), and the Evil Kevin story arc was actually quite good. Also, the Andromeda Five all were awesome aliens with original concepts.
Season 2 was really bad at the start, with an excessive amount of fillers that were for most uninteresting, some wasted potential (I still wanna know more about Eunyce) and a lot of disappointing aliens (Eatle and Fasttrack especially, and to a minor extent Jury Rigg's in his original design). On the other hand, I did kinda like the Forever Knight story arc, Vilgax being turned into a credible villain, and the finale was overall very satisfying to my opinion (Hell, I actually RE-WATCHED it!).
To conclude, I'd say Ultimate Alien was in no way flawless, but it still had some decent and really enjoyable parts.
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spikerules64 In reply to Darinas [2013-02-19 16:40:51 +0000 UTC]
Yeah I hated duped too
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-19 18:07:55 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, worst episode in this series^^ It brought nothing to the plot, and was just a non-stop of unfunny jokes (not unlike "Blucik and Driba go to Mr Smoothie" actually...). But the worst part was that Ben acted like a complete idiot in this episode; anyone with half a brain would have sent the doubles in the reverse order, which would have actually be much funnier (just try imagine Ben acting MORE cynical and aggressive than Kevin to the point of shocking him, or Ben being overly nice to Julie.... the reactions of the characters would have been priceless^^). The only parts I liked in this episode were Rath as the beginning because... Well, it's Rath, do I need to say more? And to an extent, the Yaoi parody with Ben and Kevin.
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spikerules64 In reply to Darinas [2013-02-19 18:22:50 +0000 UTC]
It just seems like almost every episode of ultimate alien ben and julie are either fighting breaking up of getting back together
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-19 19:51:38 +0000 UTC]
Lol honestly that wasn't their biggest problem, but yeah. They probably were worried that a regular relationship might be boring. Also, the fact fans didn't like Julie for most might have helped.
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spikerules64 In reply to Darinas [2013-02-19 20:01:13 +0000 UTC]
Well I got nothing against julie but there arguements just really got annoying either breakup or stay together
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-19 21:10:27 +0000 UTC]
I guess so... not an expert at romance honestly.
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spikerules64 In reply to Darinas [2013-02-19 21:15:05 +0000 UTC]
My only other problem with ultimate alien is that they killed off peirce and dont even mention him or helen and manny ever again I wanted to see an episode in witch helen tries to get revenge on the forever knights and ben and his try to stop her from doing something she'll reget
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-19 21:28:23 +0000 UTC]
Lol, could you be the one who suggested this scenario in the Wild Mass Guess category of Omniverse on TvTrope?
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spikerules64 In reply to Darinas [2013-02-19 21:31:50 +0000 UTC]
No it was just something that i've been thinking about since that episode aired
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-19 22:36:42 +0000 UTC]
Okay^^' cause someone had the same idea and suggested there might be an episode in Omniverse about that. Gosh, I wish Omniverse did that kind of episode instead of focusing on things such as retarded Galvan looking for a smoothies...
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spikerules64 In reply to Darinas [2013-02-19 22:39:38 +0000 UTC]
I knew I could'nt be the only one to think of an episode like that an episode like that has so much potential
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-19 22:49:29 +0000 UTC]
Of course. As a matter I can think of many idea for great episodes that were never used. That's one thing I don't like in all four series: they all tend to use fillers to introduce new, uninteresting, lame villains or silly stories instead of taking advantage of them to flesh out the universe and the characters.
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spikerules64 In reply to Darinas [2013-02-21 15:11:42 +0000 UTC]
Well I don't realy mind filler much but it would have been nice to see agreggor again
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-21 15:24:17 +0000 UTC]
I don't mind fillers either, some of them actually are good (like Night of the Living Nightmare or How to Catch a Falling Star), but think about it; wouldn't you have rathered an episode about, I don't know, Ben visiting Eye Guy's planet instead of one about Ma Vreedle trying to create new children by cloning?
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-21 15:46:34 +0000 UTC]
Exactly^^ Another topic that would have been actually cool.
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spikerules64 In reply to Darinas [2013-02-21 16:35:26 +0000 UTC]
I also would have liked to see ben and his team take on a real anodite villian this anodite villian being so powerfull that even verdona can't stop him
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Darinas In reply to spikerules64 [2013-02-21 17:21:21 +0000 UTC]
Well that's the problem with UA and AF if you think about it: there are a lot of alien species to use just with the Adonyte and the aliens in the Omnitrix, yet they are almost never used to create separate characters (the only time they did it was with Ship, Albedo, Simian and the Plumber Helpers). Like take this episode with those cyclop guys who kidnapped the guy that spawned Ship; wouldn't this have been awesome if they had used Eye Guy's species instead of just generic cyclops? For all the things I dislike in Omniverse, they at least tried to use aliens from the Omnitrix for new characters (Looma, Blucik and Driba, Malware, Dr Psychobos...).
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Sephirath21000 [2012-09-19 04:59:03 +0000 UTC]
Honestly, I never really Liked Season 3: Too many plotholes, too many animation errors, too much of Ben's arrogance (even to the point that his friends almost seemed like they would leave him in "Ghost Town"), and the fact that even though this series is supposed to be called Alien Force: we rarely see much of the "Force" in question: "Max Force" as Manny referred themselves as only managed to make appearances in just two episodes of the series. I mean I get it that they aren't the main characters but their status as friends should at least demand some more screen-time and character development; after these two episodes aside from Cooper: we don't see much of anything about the other four at all in Seasons 4 and 5 (I'm calling it that because there is NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN Alien Force AND Ultimate Alien IN ORDER TO CALL IT A SEPARATE SERIES ALTOGETHER!! I dare you, I double-dog-dare you to see anything that would give the man who created the DC Comic superhero Static Shock and the television series Justice League Unlimited any reason to call his own show by a different title!) aside from Alan losing his powers to an insane Kevin and Pierce getting killed by the Knights. (*Sarcastic Tone* What a way to really flesh out your cleverly-designed and interesting characters in a show, only to pointlessly kill them off without leaving behind any sort of meaningful emotional connection to them from the audience whatsoever. Clearly we are looking at true ingeniousness at work. So move aside Kamina and Cosmo the Seedrian; give some space for some real classy televised characters right here, for your own deaths are considered to be worthless when it comes to the pwoplw of Ben 10, I mean just look at your own deaths: [link] , [link] : Your deaths are pretty boring compared to the death of Pierce: Pierce, you were held back and shocked to death by the Forever Knights only to have your death scene be glossed over halfway through your final scream and cutting to the next scene of the episode leaving your death to be a humongous question to most of the fans: a blunt 74 seconds long was your death. And immediately afterwards no one: the Knights, Bens' Team, or even Max make mention of this tragedy whatsoever. I think I've read somewhere that describes your situation Pierce and... AHA! Here it is: what your death was in all our hearts amounted to: [link] ) I have more reasons why I hate the Ben 10 Genre at this point in time, and they all start with how they managed to fuck shit up in season 3 of Alien Force.
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Darinas In reply to Sephirath21000 [2012-09-19 09:26:55 +0000 UTC]
Calm down, this review includes Alien Force only, not Ultimate Alien (and just because there are no difference between the two won't change that); I will do a review for Ultimate Alien if I have time, though I doubt it.
As for season 3 of AF, I agree that it was seriously inferior in quality compared to the first two seasons, though I blame this on the fans who panned the show and asked it to be more like the original show. But I still think both AF and UA had some great moments. They were not perfect, but there were good stuff as well. That's why I still don't hate the show. Though Omniverse might change that if they don't stop messing with some designs.
Now I agree with you that Pierce's death and Alan losing (temporary mind you) his powers were rather poorly handled, all I'm saying is you can't doom the whole show because of this.
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IHComicsHQ [2010-05-06 10:19:20 +0000 UTC]
oh man i like the way yu reviewed alien force truly seeing it as a show instead of a cry baby who wanted the original series i mean i haves um errors with AF like a lot of characters designs like Vilgax i mean to be honest i only like vilgax because he looked cool other than that he sucked lol but in AF he became more calculating and stuff oh and the part with saving the lil girl of his same race might have been a hint to why vilgax is the way he is.(i smell backstory hopefully or a whole episode devoted to how vilgax became this evil Conquerer)i also agree with wat yu said about kevin reforming and also i love his character except the fact that he doesnt absorb the element completely instead just creates a layer of the element,oh and my only real problem that i had with alien force was that the series really just was throwing itself at ben to save the group or sumthing i mean it actualy got to the point where kevin and gwen together couldnt stop any opponent until ben got there grant it i understand the omnitrix gives him a alien for every occasion but just seemed like they really skilled down the other chracters for ben to shine in my opinion but thats just my opinion also i didnt like alot of the new aliens designs like humongasaur and jetray just seem to simple and cheesy-a-design for my taste again being an artist i always look for wats coool and i dont think they should get rid of them just that the designs could have been coooler again just my idea of wats cool coming into play here yet and also i really miss the omnitrixx given the aliens suits to wear i mean must all of them be naked ultimate alien looks to be promising and again i to will have complaints on how the episode were cared but thats natural in fans all i hope for in ultimate alien is that i see more bout kevin's past and sum new interesting chracters and cooler designs as well as a forever knights come back of the year ..and oh yeah once again great review
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Darinas In reply to IHComicsHQ [2010-05-06 17:16:58 +0000 UTC]
Thanks a lot for your com^^
You're right, I forgot to mention it : Kevin and Gwen are too often easily beat up. They need some episodes where they win more... Sure the show is about Ben 10, but still... at least there are some episodes centered on them, like Times Heals or Vendetta...
For the alien looks, that's a matter of opinon. You're kinda right about Jetray and Humongousaure being a little cheesy-looking, but this didn't really bother me, as there were other aliens like Big Chill, Alien X or Goop who were cool (especially Big Chill). Humongousaure, for exemple, should have look more like a realistic combinaison of various dinosaur species. And Jetray... He looks more like a bat than a ray to me. They should have maden him more fish-like and show more of him swimming.
The Ultimate, safe maybe for Spider-monkey, are pretty cool to my opinion^^.
And Dwayne McDuffie said the Forever Knight would have a story arc soon...
Thanks again for you comment^^
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