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Its become an almost recurring theme that whenever I frequent wolf-related groups/boards/forums, it is almost guaranteed for someone to say that wolves have no natural predators except man. This simply isn't true. Granted (staying within North America at least), bears and cougars may pick off the odd wolf, but not enough for them to be considered a serious threat. Indeed, wolves seem quite good at dominating other non-human predators throughout their range. In the Russian Far East on the other hand....Related content
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Well, a packs of dholes are known to take out tigers, shouldn't it be common for this to happen with the larger Grey wolf?
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Actually, the whole, "dholes dominate tigers" thing is less likely to happen than one would think. Dholes usually live in packs of around maybe five or ten individuals, fifteen at the most. Plus, these dogs are no bigger than a large coyote. I've also seen footage of the dogs interacting with tigers, and in almost all of the cases, the tigers are successful at driving off the dholes. Even in a footage where the dholes stood their ground, they ultimately wound up retreating when the big cat stood its ground. Both carnivores are too few in number to actually kill off each other, but it seems that the tigers generally win out against dholes. It's like lions and African painted dogs in the Serengeti. The dogs have the numbers, but they're no match for the big cat and will stay as far away as they can. In fact, tigers are more likely to kill dholes than vice versa, even if the dogs were in a pack. Dhole numbers in the wild today are too few to hold against tigers in their territory. It may have happened at a point in history, but sadly, that's not the case. Man caused both to become endangered, and the dogs are paying for it as they have suffered even greater loss of numbers than even the tigers. As for the wolf, tiger numbers are generally too low to be considered a threat to wolves at this point, but when both have substantial population overlap, the tigers almost always won out. Now, it's happening today again.
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Yeah, I've long since realized that.
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If wolves so happened to migrate from Asia to North America at some point in time, this is why.
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wait... there are tigers in north america? XDΒ
dont call me a wolfaboo just because of my name, my fursona is a cheetah XD
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Nope. The picture takes place in Siberia, where wolf and tiger territories overlap one another.
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that cleared alot of stuff, thanks
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Very detailed. (I heard the wolves in Russia are bigger and kill people. >_>)
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All wolf populations have killed people at some point. And yes, the Russian wolves can get pretty large.
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Yeah, like the (I can't remember the woman's name) woman and wolf in the afternoon incident in north eastern part of the US. I saw a documentary on them, they say Russian brand wolves kill children a lot.
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Indeed! Most predators compete with wolves, but don't generally hunt them. As far as I know, the tiger is the only predator that does.
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Dhole packs have been known to kill tigers, so wolves are definitely able to do the same.Β
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They could, yes, but most pack animals abandon the fight once one or more of their own has been killed or severely injured, and a tiger is more than capable of doing such.
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I couldn't find any information about the relationship between Bengal tigers and Indian wolves,or how the wolves of western Asia dealt with the extinct Caspian tiger,but wherever the colossal Siberian tiger appears wolves are sure to quickly go extinct.
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If lions vs cape wild dogs are any indication, big canines always struggle in areas with pantherines.
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Yes the problem lies in the fact that cats are capable of grasping and holding into other animals with their front arms and sharp retractable claws unlike canines who cant do that,in a one on one fight a wolf would be killed by a similar sized cats such as a cougar or leopard because they would get a death grip on the canines throat that he couldn't shake of
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TIGER! TIGER! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
great drawing
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poor little dog... cool picture though i love tigers and wild dogs.
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This is a good picture.
Very beautiful and detailed.
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Unfortunately there's. No doubt that a bear or a big cat could kill a wolf XD I love wolves yes but this is reality and they can't beat big cat s and bears X3 very nice picture too
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Raja of the rain forest reigns supreme! Even in the Taiga. Out of curiosity, do you think Indian pythons and Burmese Pythons might also be predators of wolves considering how their ranges overlap in India and Burmese Pythons have known kill predators like Flordia Panther in the Everglades? Also do tigers cause localized extinctions of wolves in India like they do in the Russian Far East?
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I don't think tiger and wolf ranges even overlap in India, as wolves there prefer open areas, as opposed to dense forests favoured by tigers.
I don't doubt for a second that pythons would eat wolves. They've been known to kill jackals and pariah dogs, so why should wolves be exempt?
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Tigers and wolves do coexist in India,and until recently had their ranges overlap all over Asia,but the reason I think that tigers only exterminate wolves in Siberia has to do with the fact that South Asian wolves are noticeably smaller and weaker than the Eurasian wolves of the north,so down there the tiger doesn't consider them as much of a threat to food or territory since they are barely more dangerous than jackals,while up north they are far larger and bolder and could pose a threat to cubs and a large pack of 15 toΒ 20 individuals could pose a threat to an adult so the tiger seems to strike first.
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Indeed...
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And you can see how tiny the Indian wolf is compared to the tiger,but I have seen the northern variation of the grey wolf as well as tigers up close in zoos and theΒ dimension difference is much narrower,athoulgh the tiger is more heavily build witch explains why he can regulary top 250kg in the wild,while the big wolvesΒ are at bestΒ only 70kg in weight.Those diffrences seems the most likely cause as to why wolves are ignored down south but constantly hunted up north.
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BECAUZ WUFS R SPESHUL!!!!! Lol, just kidding.
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I'd love to see footage of a python eating a wolf
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And post it on HOWLING4JUSTICE.com!
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It's even worse when certain wolf enthusiasts claim that an encounter between a wolf pack and a lion pride would result in anything less than a flawless victory for the lions.
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So dam true, and that's why in a realistic disscussion about the most deadliest, non-human land predator it always ends in a four way tie between Lions, Tigers, Polar bears, and Grizzly/brown bears. I have also read that in Russia the government uses as an incentive to stop poaching tigers, they tell hunters that tigers kill less deer than wolves and drive them away. That before the Russians came the native Tungus-Manchu peoples rarely saw wolves because Tigers would drive them away. Most of the time it was only a loner that they saw and game was much more plentiful. I guarntee that Crocodillians, Bears, Hyenas, Lions, Tigers, Leopards, Jaguars, Pumas and there are still some breeds of dogs that one-on-one would kill a wolf easily.
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Another sad thing is seeing "Wolf VS Tiger" videos on YT just to see a bunch of "lol wulfs are Stronger!!!!!1!1!11" comments 
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And not the wolves?! lol jk
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Lol, sorry it was late so I had to head off to bed, oh I forgot to comment about the pose you chose for the tiger. I think it came out really well, the pose and the drawing as a whole.
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Very nice picture, very detailed background and everything, and that's a great drawing of the Tigers and Wolves. What's the title in reference to? Is that just a name you gave the Tiger, or is it some historical Tiger or something?
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Amba was the name given to the tiger by the indigenous people of Siberia
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Ahh, okay, got you now.
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Jaguars would had been a threat to North American populations of gray wolves since the range of jaguars was a bit expansive
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