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~single hip shot~Canon EOS 400D + Ef-S 17-85 IS USM
-location: Engstingen, Germany
ok, now I know, it's better to put the "fair" button by critiques, so that everybody could tell something...
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no..this is actually quite a professional photo, please understand that bashing will not attract good public representation of yourself
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Incidentally, I have also learned from the experience: in future if I am going to make a critique that I think there will be lots of suggested improvements in I will ask the deviant first if they mind getting a critique like that. That way I don't waste my time giving a critique that isn't wanted, and the deviant themselves doesn't get offended
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its all good thats very professional way to handle that
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Oh and if it's the ratings that you marked as "unfair" then I don't have much to say as I think the rating system is ridiculous. Whilst I will stand by all my individual ratings I would have given this more than a 2/5 altogether, if I had the option. But sadly I didn't. (And if I'd had the option not to rate at all I might well have done that too.)
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I wasn't trying to bash. I was trying to give a constructive critique. I pointed out positives and negatives and I both gave reasons for the things I said and suggested ways to improve.
What is it that you don't think is fair about the critique? Is it just that it is too negative? I admit that the positives are only in the second half, but I put a comment about that at the beginning - there was quite a lot to discuss composition-wise so that bit was quite long, but then I moved on to talk about the parts of the picture which had worked. Did you read the whole thing or just the beginning?
If you read my other critiques you will see that I always try to give a balanced critique and offer constructive ways to improve. =Ditze has a lot of better photos in their gallery but this one was just a little weak technically.
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i did i just think that the skill was quite high its all good i understand where you were coming from, you were certainly not bashing, you made your thought perfectly understood, i wanted to use that word at first for your reaction and you handled yourself well
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But you also marked it as unfair and I was being genuine when I asked why. How tactful I was is debatable but I still don't think I said anything that was unfair, and I'm a bit worried that so many people seem to think I said something unjustified.
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no no no you are entitled to your own oppinions of course and you put it in a way that was no where close to offesive..still i think just the star rating was way off...fair it may be in words but i don't think that should be posted with that score thats all 
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Ah, well. I think the star rating is stupid and I'd rather not give a rating at all. Either you rate everyone highly - and then it means nothing - or you try to spread out the ratings - and then people get offended.
I am intrigued though. I never thought "fair/unfair" was meant to be interpreted as "I agree/I disagree" but maybe other people have, so maybe it's not that lots of people thought I wrote unjustified things, but just that they don't agree. Phew! I feel a bit better about that now.
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yeah that feature is brand new and you might be right about how it could be fair in words but score is vauge..I think they need to break down EACH thing to a 1/10 because its sooo hard to just say "this is .... but this is ...) and both things could be completly different but have to be lumped into all of the rating scales! (tooo little) they should add subcategories to impact seriously! like maybe
Impact:
(Drama) X/10
(Story) x/10
(Emotion)
etc.. etc
I only figured the fair unfair is more like you said "agree/disagree" and not "Fair/Your shit blows and I hate your dog! lol"
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Yeah. I don't like the way they average out the four marks to give an overall mark either. Sometimes one thing might count more than the others, or sometimes one of them isn't really applicable, or sometimes there's another factor to take into account - any of these things could make the overall score higher or lower than the average of the four individual scores, and you can't change the overall score.
Also I've found as I do more critiques that I'm not really sure about "Vision". To be honest it seems a lot like "Originality". Although I guess I should re-read the FAQ on it before I start saying they're the same thing! Lol!
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I disagree vision i think is like "what i was trying to get at...". or how set up and deliberate the shot/art was. i only have a beef with impact. They should add one more panel to even it out.
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I know that. I mentioned some things about the fact that it was a hipshot halfway down - taking into account what you could change and what you had less control over, given that you didn't have access to the viewfinder. Do you mean you didn't want it critiqued? If so I am curious as to why you enabled critiques.
I know that the majority of hipshots will not turn out well; people don't have eyes in their hips. But what happens is you [one, not you personally] take a lot of pictures and you discard the ones you don't like. This one was submitted to deviantART for a constructive criticism, which I believe I gave. I spent a long time on it, giving it a lot of thought, with comments that I thought would be helpful, providing you with things to think about for future photographs. It would be polite of you to acknowledge the effort I have spent, even if you personally disagree with my comments and/or don't want them to display on your deviation.
You've marked my critique as "not objective". This is quite clearly untrue. You are accusing me of saying something along the lines of "I don't like street photography so I think this is SHIT!" If you know the meaning of "objective" and you re-read my critique you will see that there's nothing unobjective about it.
If you were just submitting this as a snapshot and didn't want anyone to go into what was wrong or right with the picture, that's fine. Those sorts of pictures have their place. If it had been marked as such I would have viewed it as such. But you submitted it as a deviation that you wanted critiqued, and so I did. Perhaps in future you should think about whether you want a critique or not on your deviation when you submit it, instead of requesting one and then being rude to people who have spent half an hour or more looking at your piece to try and help you.
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I m not an expert about photography ( even I didnt have get any courses) but really good capture it is cos facial expression is pretty clear even people outside of the main theme . It shows all of them feelings on their faces which i can imagine how delicious this ice-cream, how many troubles have this man with his health( he looks as he saw his grave), how many thoughts or happiness have those ladies on the back Light is super on this lady infront who eating ice-cream. All themes r very very clearly. I m sorry if i m not right and an expert to write critiques but they r my thoughts which i m trying to learn every things here on DA. But u going to be very good what u touched, Congratilations friend!
Just a point, i dont care if i wrote here also my personal info, It is too much 100 words for us to write our thoughts here. Are there every people proffessional here? or only proffessionals can write critiques? I hate rules! I hope DA. directors can remember that some members r an ameteur but have some ideas as others! But please, it must be more short! Even I m not well with English how can i write too much?
Sorry Denis, i must write them cos my terorist soul took me away to say theme.deviantart.com/emoticons/s/sā¦ " width="15" height="15" alt="
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If you think 100 words is too much or you don't like the system of a critique, you can write it as a comment instead.
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WHY?
i WANT all my friend see what i wrote there cos it is a little to support my friend! I ll write my thoughts to critique box, ok!
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You wrote a good critique, positive and from the heart
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Yes, they were from my heart
Thank u
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You are a good friend to Denis, you're welcome
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Thank u dear
Sometimes it is hard to understand some people on DA.
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I agree, and sometimes people mistake rudeness for "critique".
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Calm down
I was just pointing out that the critique box is for critiques and if you want to write other stuff it should really be in a comment
If you want to write something for all your watchers to read you can put it in a journal entry.
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thank you very much for the critique Rezzan!
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it is my pleasure but I hope it not bother u cos i wrote there also my thoughts about critique box
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Ditze das ist nicht Engstingen sondern Reutlingen
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I have one something similar, I haven't posted it because the light is annoying.
Good one Denis!
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To judge a hip shot one must be familiar with the process
You did good Denis
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He looks as a Turkish and street as Istanbul streets
nice capture dear
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hahaha
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thank you Stamatis
I'm still not sure, what's a good street shot and what not, but I think I learned a much until now about it
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come ooon!
you know! you see the Friday night's specials and the Best of the Yard!
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I mean, what's a good one from me...
Its still difficult for me to judge about my own stuff
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this happens to all of us!
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