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Smogon has recently banned Mawilite from OU to Ubers.Do I agree with this ban? No.
Does this ban annoy me? Yes.
Am I mature enough to not suddenly hate someone/something just because I disagree with it? Hopefully.
I honestly think there's no point in banning it now since we don't know what kind of changes ORAS will bring about.
However, it's not the ban that really gets on my nerves. It's the general reaction to it.
Everyone seems to be in a hateful uproar in their disagreement with this ban.
"Smogon banned another Mega Evolution?! Time for them to just ban ALL the Megas!"
Obviously, these morons don't know what they're talking about. Out of the 28 Mega Evolutions we have so far, only 7 are considered Ubers:
The rest are more easily checked/countered due to Stealth Rock weakness, lack of recovery, no choice items, etc.
Anyway, this and the regular Smogon-hating nonsense is going around again. My response to this is....
"WHY THE HECK ARE YOU IDIOTS COMPLAINING ABOUT RULES THAT YOU AREN'T REQUIRED TO FOLLOW?!"
It's like they're all just desperate to believe that Smogon is a ban-happy community despite the fact that it has a voting system and they went through alot of testing before actually casting the vote to ban. If you don't like it, then actually try voting and stating an opinion so that things like this are less likely to happen? Smogon is a forum site and that's what forums are for aren't they?
So if you don't like the decisions Smogon makes, try actually making a difference instead of just sitting there griping and complaining like a toddler. Or better yet, just don't bother playing by their rules. It's not a requirement.
What do you think about the ban? Should Mega Mawile be banned? Why or why not?
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With Primal Groudon and Kyogre completely demolishing Mega Mawile and Primal Groudon being the king of Ubers, Mawile is kinda useless there now.Β
Even its usage is pretty close to the bottom of the barrel.
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I wasnt expecting it to be Uber at all.Β If anything should be Uber its Talonflame, that thing is a monster with roost and brave bird if not also the almighty swords dance. Let's enjoy the almight stealth rock.
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Well mega Khan deserved to be banned thanks to it's ability. But with Mega Mawilie it was unjustified. Mega Mawilie is the Pokemon that redeemed Mawilie and before Gen 6 it was considred one of the worst Pokemon ever made. I would say Talonflame deserves a ban since that things Gale Wings can destroy teams with Brave Bird and recover recoil damage with Roost. Oh and the also recently made Aegislash ubers which was a bad move since their are many ways to counter that Pokemon.
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I believe the reason behind the Aegislash ban was the fact that even as a wallbreaker, it was hard to predict. For instance, it CAN be walled by Mandibuzz, but it can also carry Head Smash to deal with that. Don't quote me on that. I for one am okay with Aegislash being banned, but that's mainly because I don't care for it. In fact, I hate it since I enjoy using Wobbuffet.
Talonflame, I have mixed feelings about. I try to carry Stealth Rock and Roar/Whirlwind/Dragon Tail if possible.
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Surpose but i still think Aegislash's ban was unjustified cause there are many ways to predict it. But hey if you are okay with it's ban thats fine. I don't know i just find Talonflame to powerful maybe i need to train myself a Mega Manectric to stop it. Since it has huge speed and great Special attack it could beat Talonflame. That and it gets intimidate which makes Talonflame weaker. I am considring training a Mega Manectric myself but i want it to have Hidden Power Ice and good IV's.
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Mega-mawile was never that much of an issue for me I either used mega-charizard y, will o wisp, or skill swap.
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Mega Mawile had to go. 259 base attack is just ludicrous and it's sucker punch hits harder than Arceus's Extreme Speed!
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I play by Smogon rules by long time now and i know why people hate them,Β especially for all the sick bans for the BW meta game and the opΒ weather.... anyways...
The Mawile ban is really stupid in my opinion.
It lacks of ANY speed, and this means Mawile is a wall breaker. If faced to an other faster pokemon it can tank one attack, but one and after that with 20% hp it has no other choice but Sucker-Punching to death.
This ban is stupid as theΒ Aegislash ban. But I'm ok as long they don't ban my mega Pinsir XD
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They won't ban Mega Pinsir it would be a stupid move. But i would like them to ban Talonflame that things brave birds can destroy teams like nothing. That and the Pokemon destroyed both Bug and Ice types in the Meta game.
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Compared to other megas that are annoying and broken as all get-out, Mawile was never really one of them for me (but then again, neither was Aegislash; Contrary Malamar, suckers!). I think giving it a Fairy Type and a physically superior mega with Huge Power was about a million steps up from what it was, but it never seemed that OP to me. As for the whiners, I'm getting tired of both sides. I hate the "Smogon is just ban-happy killjoys and competitive sucks and battling isn't what it used to be" argument as much as "Casual play sucks and I hate anything that doesn't have 6IVs and a broken ability and you shouldn't either." Like, hows about we all just calm down, forget biases, look up actual facts, and see if anyone is actually willing to stand up and make a difference?
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My next rant is actually going to be about the imbecilic things casual players have said about competitive battles...
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My biggest problem there are people (particularly genwunners) who act like competitive stuff is new, despite EV training and IV breeding being around since the first 2 gens. Then again, like I said above, I also take issue with the other extreme that actively tries to make people feel bad for liking a Pokemon that's not competitively viable, especially if said person isn't interested in battling competitively.
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Honestly I never had trouble dealing with mega mawile, and for the most part I fail to see how it could be banned. My strategy was basically to threaten it at every turn and make sure it could not come out at the opportune moment- which worked insanely well for me.Β
Yes its powerful but there are ways around it IMO, although yes, stall would have immense trouble with it, that much I agree on. I suppose this ban does not bug me as much as the aegislash ban, so I'll leave it at that.Β
I would like to comment upon your mega's comment though: 6/28 megas is already almost 20%, which is pretty big for an archetype, but nothing to complain about (discounting mewtwo, which was already uber and counting salamence). However what concerns me is that smogon IS turning to ban all of the megas. Already there are talks of suspecting charizard x, pinsir and even medicham. And as I believe in the butterfly effect, if those three are gone then eventually other megas will be at the top, only for them to be suspected and banned.Β
It seems that this gen smogon is more ban happy than before, possibly to make up for the atrocity that was gen 5. Are smogon ruining the metagame? No, not even close, they're still the best when it comes to tiering. And yes, people should notvoice their Β complaints about rules that they don't have to follow.Β
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Thank you for understanding and expressing yourself professionally and clearly. I personally love Smogon, but if more Megas end up getting banned, I'll definitely start to question how they do things and may even end up switching to PokeBattle or try VGC.
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You're welcome.Β
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If they banned Mega Garchomp, myΒ shiny team would be dead. I still find it odd that my shiny team is actually competitive, and I guess Elliot the Garchomp carried the whole team. And Smogon would get a virtualΒ slap in the face if they banned him.
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Don't worry. Mega Garchomp is too slow. They won't ban it.
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Trust me. Garchomp has no recovery, loses out on a Choice Scarf and lost some of its Speed. Although they function completely different from each other, standard Garchomp is considered the superior one.
Plus, Togekiss, Skarmory, Bronzong, Madibuzz, Ferrothorn, Hippowdon, Latios, Latias, Mamoswine, Cresselia, Azumarill, Clefable, Slowbro and Whimsicott exist. Mega Garchomp is never going to get banned.
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Can I still virtually smack Smogon? Β
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Well you can, but what good does that do unless you actually enjoy following their rules?
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I'm honestly surprised that thing got banned before Mega Medicham, considering that they have the same ability and Medicham has twice the speed. Either way, I don't see why either of them should necessarily be banned at all. Their stats aren't really anything special when you take away the ability (which you can easily do if you want to).
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Mega Mawile has a better defensive typing, an easier time switching in with Intimidate and better priority in Sucker Punch. Mega Medicham only has Fake Out and Bullet Punch for priority and it's more frail. That's my understanding of it
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I guess that makes sense. I never really did like the idea of banning certain parts of games like this though. That kind of thing always just screams sore loser to me. Maybe some strategies are cheap, but everything has a weakness that can be exploited easily enough.
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I kind of like Smogon because I want to have fun and strategize in a battle rather than just do what all the noobs do and go online with a bunch of Ubers and actually expect to win. Uber noobs are the most fun to beat. Sure, everything has a weakness, but some Pokemon's weaknesses are harder to exploit than others. Apparently, it's hard to even battle a Speed Boost Blaziken without having a Giratina, Slowbro and Talonflame on your team.Β
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Blaziken isn't really all that hard to beat if you can outrun it. Any sweeper with a base speed stat higher than 100 should be able to do so pretty easily, since Blaziken's defenses aren't really much to worry about. A lot of different pokemon and strategies come to mind that would do just fine.
Also, yeah, I know what you mean about uber teams online. Last time somebody tried to come at me with a team full of legendaries (which of course included Mega Mewtwo), I completely destroyed them with just an Aerodactyl. It seems to be a trend that people who rely on legendaries only focus on hitting really hard and don't put much thought into strategy.
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Blaziken has Speed Boost and usually can carry Protect. It's next to impossible to outspeed since it just keeps getting faster and with Swords Dance, it's hard to survive a hit from since it can have Flare Blitz, High Jump Kick and Brave Bird. Nothing resists those 3 attacks. There are situations that can force it out, but it's not easy.
I mostly have the pleasure of beating Uber noobs with a Pokemon you wouldn't think used to be an Uber... Wobbuffet.
www.serebiiforums.com/showthreβ¦
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Protect would be a bit of a pain in the butt with a Speed Boost pokemon, I admit, but if you have good priority moves (for example, with Mega Pinsir or Talonflame) or manage to paralyze it, the speed doesn't even matter. Like I said, there are a lot of different approaches to that problem that I can think of.
I never really was much of a fan of Wobbuffet, actually. Sure, it can kick ass when used properly, but I never did like the fact that it has such a limited movepool. That's just not as much fun to me.
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I can see Blaziken, Mewtwo and Kangaskan, but why Lucario, Mawile, and Gengar?
With Lucario, it would be able to use a fighting type or fire type. Never had trouble getting rid of one, even without a competitive team.
Mawile would be annoying, but still easy with a fire or ground type.
My friend has a Mega Gengar and I have never had trouble beating it. Although one time I kept putting it to sleep. ground type attacks would demolish it since it lost Levitate.
I just don't understand Smogon....
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Mega Lucario is hard to put up with because it has access to priority in Bullet Punch, ExtremeSpeed and Vaccuum Wave and can either run a Physical or Special set with Naty Plot or Swords Dance. It's high Speed with Adaptability makes it next to impossible to wall, especially since it's hard to predict.Β
Mawile can easily switch in to alot of things, hide behind a Substitue and get a Swords Dance up for a super strong Sucker Punch/Play Rough/Focus Punch depending on what it has. It's hard to get around that as far as I can tell.
The problem with Mega Gengar is that you can't switch into it because of Shadow Tag. How do you plan to get something with Earthquake in on the Mega Gengar without having an entire team with Baton Pass/U-Turn/Volt Switch/Ghosts, which are immune to Shadow Tag or just letting the trapped Pokemon faint?
That's my understanding of them. I suggest playing Pokemon Showdown in Ubers and see what it's like to try and battle them.
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With Mega Lucario, the only move that could mortally damage a flying/fire type would be Extreme Speed. With Swords Dance, if you time it right, you could knock it out with a strong attack of fire or fighting.
Mawile would actually be able to be a quick take out due to its low stats, correct? One strong hit and it's out, really. I've done that a lot.
Even without a Pokemon with Earthquake, Bulldoze (like my Lucario has), Sucker Punch, and basically any strong Ghost type moves would be a quick beat. Even if you were to just use status moves to set it up (ahem, I beat it with a Vivillon actually. not even a competitive bred one), it would be easy to take care of if you could expect it easily enough.
I do, actually. I always put it on random tier and see what happens. I've beaten a team full of minor legendaries with two Pokemon. Articuno and Togekiss. *totally didn't use Mind Reader/Sheer Cold*
What Pokemon that REALLY needs to be banned is Protean Greninja. It beat my whole team in one hit. Of a weak move. Even the more competitive battlers, like Venasaur, in which if I remember correctly, is in the Ubers tier.
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Mega Lucario is not going to stay in on a Choice Scarf Heatran/Garchomp/Keldeo, or Mach Punch Conkelldurr/Infernape. It's too fast and strong for much else. Those are more like checks than counters.
Mega Mawile won't have to worry about taking hits thanks to having a Subsitute and being able to hit harder back.
Mega Gengar has the complete choice to not stay in on something with Sucker Punch. That's the huge advantage of Shadow Tag.
Only a moron is going to use a Mind Reader/Sheer Cold combo. It's too risky.
No, Venusaur is not an Uber and as long as Mandibuzz, Breloom, Rotom-W, Chansey, Conkeldurr, Kyurem-W, Mega Venusaur, Gastrodon, Talonflame, Sableye, Klefki and Ferrothorn exist, Greninja is not going to get banned.
So like I said, try battling on Pokemon Showdown (pokemonshowdown.com/) or PokeBattle (www.pokebattle.com/) and then get back to me.
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I do battle on Pokemon Online. Almost the same. Many times.
You calling me a moron? Tell that to all the people I have defeated with that combo.
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You realize that Sheer Cold is a banned move, right? Besides, anybody with half a brain can easily avoid having to put up with that combo since Tyranitar, Talonflame, Heatran, Jolteon, Terrakion and Mega Aggron laugh at Articuno and let's not forget Stealth Rock.
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Hahaha, yeah. Banned...no, not with that crummy accuracy and that rarity.
Besides, who gives a care about Smogon and the pathetic fans they have? "You have to do this" "You have to use that".
It's complete and utter moronic chaos of two halves of a fandom. And it even goes against the basic "rule" of the games. *looks over at the first gen and a quote a freaking minor NPC said that explains it*
I laugh at Tyranitars, Talonflame is only really good in double battles, Heatran is often never used, Jolteon is often replaced with Sylveon anymore, Terrakion is often banned, and Aggron in any form is weak to fighting.
Do I give a single care about Smogon? No, I don't. Smogon is controlling. I follow something much stronger than that. Nobody enjoys losing to those battlers who only care about winning and don't care about the game itself. Smogon is more like a government, or a mafia.
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www.smogon.com/forums/threads/β¦
Heh heh... yep. Banned.
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about and maybe you actually would if you had bothered playing on Pokemon Showdown.
Smogon is meant to make things more fun so that people don't use cheap stuff. You don't like it? Good for you.
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if they ban mega Tyranitar I'll be pissed. that thing is the head of my team and it wrecks everything. without it, i wouldn't be that goodΒ
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I highly doubt that they'll ban Mega Tyranitar. It can't hold Leftovers, which is it's only source of recovery outside of team support and it can't hold a Smooth Rock, which hinders it since it relies alot on the Sandstorm for extra defense. Plus, it's slow, has a 4x Fighting weakness as well as being weak to Steel, Bug and Fairy.
So long as Politoed, Landorus, Conkeldurr, Clefable, Gliscor, Terrakion, Hippowdon, Garchomp, Keldeo, Scizor, Machamp, Azumarill, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, Mega Venusaur and Excadrill exist, you won't have to worry about Mega Tyranitar getting banned.Β
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True.. but dragon dance makes it a powerhouse.. For me anyways..
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Yeah. Even with Dragon Dance, Tyranitar is easier to take care of since Conkeldurr carries Mach Punch, Terrakion, Garchomp and Keldeo are often Choice Scarfed and Scizor almost always carries Choice Banded Technician-boosted Bullet Punch.
I can't see Mega Tyranitar ever getting banned. But, I'm glad it works for you.
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Glad I could help.
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Yeah :\, it kinda sucks, Smogon can be dumb sometimes
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I'd say more 'disagreeable' than 'dumb'. There are a bunch of battling experts that actually battled against and with Mega Mawile before banning, so it has its merits, but that's just my opinion...
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Yeah, but if you want "dumb", there's Microsoft...
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True that. Still, what kind of moron complains about rules he doesn't have to follow? It's like Americans hating Europe just because of the laws Europe makes in its own country.Β
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Uh huh, there are some unnecessary things that pop up but people still complain.
Also, Microsoft needs to step up their game, Xbox One sales are blowing.
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