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Aaw look it's Shaaky and Grievy!Honestly the very idea of this ridiculous Shaak/Grievous shipper thing is just insulting to BOTH characters.
Grievous was a devoted and honorable general to his people, WITH a mate he loved beyond any means of expression, which left him devestated when a war claimed her life.
Shaak Ti was a dedicated Jedi sworn to the code, one of the fiercest warriors in the order, and a decided loner.
Grievous, upon losing his life partner and having his body destroyed was baited into joining the seperatists, and then slaughtered 80 or so jedi in his career as General of the droid armies.
Now, can anyone explain WHY they would POSSIBLY be together in any sense of the word aside from some sick alien on cyborg rape during the time when he had Shaak Ti captured? And no, "Because they're sooo kyoooot in the Clone Wars cartoons!!!" is NOT a valid answer.
So this is for all the Shaak/Grievous shippers out there like me, who know that the only relationship these two should have is a violent one eventually ending in Grievous winding up in tiny little pieces on the floor.
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You are correct, in the Tartakovsky story he won soundly. He exhausted his opponents and then seized the opportunity to cut them down when they were weakened. The only reason Shaak Ti survived was because his assignment was to capture the Chancellor and his window of opportunity was closing.
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However, Grievous was responsible for Shaak Ti's murder, as seen in the sixth (third) movie
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Actually, that's a deleted scene they decided not to go with.Β There was also a version where she was killed by Anakin during Order 66.Β The final version has her as one of the Jedi who escaped Order 66 and went into hiding.Β Β In the old pre-Disney Canon her fate was assumed to have been met when she engaged in a fatal battle with Darth Vader's secret apprentive on Felucia.Β
After Disney's buyout and re-branding of what is, or is not, canon, there's no way of knowing just what fate finally befell Shaak Ti, or many of the other Jedi.Β It is still probable that she's one of the ones who escaped, thanks to an incident late in the war which raised her suspicions about both the Clone Troopers and their Kaminoan creators.
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Its most likely that she is dead, unfortunately. But in any case, I personally doubt she would stand any chance against Grievous
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I personally doubt he could stand up to any Jedi in a straight fight, given what we see of him in the later CW series and how Obi-Wan handles him in the film. Grievous was a brilliant general, and when he was unmarred he was an incredible warrior, but after the cybernetics he was far more vulnerable--not to mention Dooku intentionally hampered him by convincing him he should only fight with lightsabers rather than continuing to be the expert marksman he was before his injuries--and as a result he became less a noble warrior and more cowardly, fighting only when the odds greatly favored him and running at the first sign of genuine threat to his well-being.Β
Note: This doesn't detract from his skill as a general, just an observation that in the final canon of the series he comes across less like an unstoppable jedi slaughter machine and more of an ambush predator, taking his kills from weak, exhausted, or incapable jedi. In every solo engagement with a Jedi Master (such as Obi-Wan) he inevitably lost control of the fight and would flee in the interest of self-preservation.Β
In the end Dooku did just what he always wanted, created a monster for the Jedi and the Republic to fear and hate, while covertly hampering the General to ensure he would never be as effective or capable as he would have been without the Sith tampering with his mind and body.
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Sure he ran, but that is exactly what a smart person would do in that situation. I know I would run if I was out-numbered. It may be cowardly, but at least you get to fight another day. And do remember the countless number of jedi and clones he has fought single-handed.....or four handed, in his case.... t-v shows and movies tend to have the less important villains lose because of a bias towards the main heroes.
In any case, I may be wrong. I completely understand your argument, but maybe my personal bias towards Grievous prevents me from accepting it. So maybe you are right....
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Hey, you get two historians together and ask them to compare people like Napoleon and Washington, I guarantee you'll see just as much debate over which was the superior General.Β Unless we actually see them square off we can't know, we can only estimate based on past performances, and as you said, with fiction it's even more difficult to gauge because the story is naturally going to favor the protagonists.Β
In the end, it doesn't really matter, they're fictional characters, and all that truly matters is whether they accomplished their goal of providing us with entertainment. Considering we've just had a long back and forth about them, I would say they did, and that's what's important!
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Wow, people need to chill their tits! It's just a drawing. This just goes to show how many fanboys Grievous has. Personally, I think he's overrated. LONG LIVE SHAAK TI.
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EEEEEEEEEEEEVILLLLL!!! I will KILL you, Shaak Ti!!! (growl...)
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Dude, one expression of discontent is enough.
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Grievous/Shaak? That's just wrong. I prefur Shaak with Codi Ty(Togruta dude that got kicked out of the order for the STUPIDEST of reasons).
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I agree with everything you just said, just to let you know 
Long live Shaak Ti but let's wish Grievous a quick death.
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OMG DUDE THAT IS SO LOW!!!!!!!!
HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO SOME RETRO BADASS AWSOME BAD DUDE GOD WHAT A JEDI GEEK U R I MEAN WHY WOULD U WANT TO BE FOR A BUNCH OF GUYS IN PLASTIC ARMOR AND "ROBES" AKA DRESSES?!?!? OMG IM GOING SITH BECAUSE OF THINGS LIKE THIS!!!!!!!
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Relax dude, it's just a picture.
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Wow LONG comment. Thanks for the reply though
Yeah i do see your point. Grievous is, and always will be my fav characters, but he does seem really weak sometimes.
also i didn't know half of this (what kind of star wars fan am i
And really? Dooku didn't train Grievous to hes limits of power? Now that just seem stupid, becouse even though he might have gotten stronger than Dooku, Grievous barely lived for anything else but killing jedi, so the chances are slim that he would cross Dooku, am i right?
But back to the point, i am now pretty sure that Shaak ti would win, if Grievous didn't have eny tricks up his sleeve.
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Well remember, this is Count Dooku we're talking about! He's a Sith lord, they're naturally paranoid, he never wants his underlings to even pose a threat to him in anyway so he'll never train them to their absolute potential unless he's READY to give up his place of power.
AS to where I've read all the info:
Star Wars.com databanks
Star Wars Insider magazine
Wookieepedia
Star Wars: Dark Rendezvous (novel)
Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil (novel)
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Yeah, guess your right. However it still does not make sence why he would react to a non threat that way, even if he is a sith and paronoid. As much as it pains me i don't think Grievous could've become more powerfull than Dooku, even as an organic...
It's just somewhat weird.
Thank you for the information. I've got some reading to do i see heh.
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I do halfway agree with you. The shipping makes no sence really, but as a crack paring for comical reasons i think its kind of fun.
Just one question, why do you think Shaak ti would kill Grievous?
I mean he won over her on Hyboria (thats what its called right?) and she only escaped becouse the clones arrived.
Besides, when Grievous was trying to capture the cancelor, he also fought Shaak Ti at the end and won rather esay. I agree Shaak Ti is a skilled fighter, but so is the General.
Anyways sorry for spelling, i suck at it lol
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Why?
The honest answer is I find him to be an excellent character but an extremely weak opponent, with Jedi usually jobbing to him in order for him to win a fight and seem like a more credible threat.
This alone makes me inclined to give the nod to any skilled Jedi (such as Ti or any other member of the council with proficient dueling skill) over Grievous in a one-on-one fight.
If you want a long and lengthy analysis of why I think Ti would win, read on.
First off, she and Mace Windu were the best saber duelists in the entire Jedi Order.
When Mace was initially hunting for Sidious on Coruscant, he didn't bring Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar or Saesee Tiin, he brought Shaak Ti.
He referred to her as a huntress, the sort of warrior no longer seen in the Jedi order anymore, "the last person any Jedi or Sith would wish to face one on one."
The only reason he didn't bring her with him to fight Sidious was because she was still recovering from wounds sustained in her second fight with Grievous.
Shaak Ti has a distinctive advantage in Melee combat; she (and all Togruta) have echo location more enhanced than any other humanoid species in the galaxy. She can sense the movement of something as small as a field mouse up to ten meters awayβin short, even without the force, she can sense her opponents movements. This is why sheβs able to keep up with so many enemies at once as she did with Grievousβ guards.
By contrast, Grievous has a fatal flaw; he was never trained to in how to defeat a strong duelist.
Count Dooku didnβt want him to be able to defeat someone like himself, or a Jedi with strong knowledge of saver dueling. Dooku cut short Grievous training before the General could learn how to best someone like the Count or a Jedi Council member.
We saw what happened when he decided to try and fight a relaxed and well-rested Obi-Wan Kenobi on Utapau. Grievous was a skill fighter, but against a well trained force-user he always came up short. His own master, Count Dooku, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Anakin Skywalker; heck, even his padawan learner managed to hold her own against Grievous βthanks to everything you taught me, Master.β
As for Shaak Ti and Grievous, in both their battles Master Ti was tired.
The general actually gloated: "Heh Haa. You're tired, Jedi!" the second time they fought, in the Chancellor's security bunker.
On Hyboria Shaak Ti was the only one who took on Grievous in single combat and held her own long enough for Ki-Adi-Mundi to pick himself up off the floor, and this was despite them all being worn down from fleeing from the droid army for hours before hand.
In Shaak & Grievousβ second conflict she took on a total of 20 of his magna guards, all at the same time, and won. After that skirmish she still had enough stamina to run two miles of launch pod railing to reach the Chancellor's security bunker. Keep in mind, these were droids trained BY Grievous himself specifically for the task of assisting and defending him from "Jedi assassins" that Dooku convinced him were after him from the first day of battle.
They were built to kill Jedi and twenty of them together couldn't stop her, with that in mind the thought of Grievous facing off against her one on one while sheβs on her A-game? That just makes me laugh.
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Im with ya all the way!!!! Why in gods name would they put those two together??????
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People will 'ship enemies. It's just a dreadful fact of life... The number of Batman/Joker stories has skyrocketed since The Dark Knight came out... It's more horrifying then any lethal gag the Joker could concoct himself.
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why do you care if people think that grievous and shaak ti should be a couple
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Because I'm one of those sticks in the mud who doesn't like odd/out-of-continuity/bizarre romantic pairings.
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OH MY GOD R U F***ing kidding me?!?!? Greivous kicked the crap out of hundreds upon hundreds of jedi! He would slaughter shaak ti like a pig!! You my friends are stupid ibeciles who dont know aNYTHING!!!!.[link]
Anger
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Now, now, no reason to get upset. It's just a picture. Grievous and Shaak Ti are both great characters, and two of my favorites when it comes to the Old Republic era, however, he is no where near her level. Just as he was no where near Obi-Wan's Count Dooku's or Mace Windu's.
General Grievous was a skilled warrior UNTIL the CIS screwed him over and stripped him of his sense of honor by altering his genetic and psychological structure. In trying to make him "better" they actually made him much worse.
He became someone who relied upon pure strength of arms to overwhelm his opponent, rather than the brilliant tactician he was before the CIS blew him up in a starfighter crash.
He became reliant on tricks, gimmicks, numbers and raw power.
Count Dooku constantly berated him for using four weapons when one should always be sufficient; the same way he chastised Anakin Skywalker before dismembering him at the battle of Geonosis.
Grievous reliance on power over skill was why Master Kenobi was able to make such short work of him when they fought one on one.
Shaak Ti was the greatest female saber duelist in the Jedi order. When it came to saber vs saber combat she was thought to be Count Dooku's equal.
When he left the only Jedi who's pure saber skill was said to be better than hers was Mace Windu. Her species has the innate advantage of being able to feel the movement vibration of a creature even as small as a mouse within ten ten METERS around her body.
She can, quite literally, fight a dozen opponents with her eyes closed. There is an old addage about warfare "Strength is nothing against skill."
Every master level Jedi that Grievous killed was either tired by the time they engaged Grievous, or was ambushed (Such as Adi Gallia). He didn't have the skill to take a Jedi Master in a one on one fight when they were in peak form.
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Good on you for making that clear! Although you forgot to mention one more weapon in Greivous' repitoire: Intimidation. Having killed so many of them, even Jedi would feel some anxiety when engaging him - if you think you're going to lose, you usually do.
That, I believe, accounted for his defeat on Utapau. Kenobi wasn't intimidated at all.
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Hold on a tic, I didn't mention any of the weapons in Grievous's arsenal!! 
That said, your point is quite a valid one, Grievous relied heavilly upon intimidation. In fact, when we look over his history in the CW we can notice that he started with Padawans and low ranking Knights. He built up a reputation as a Jedi killer, killing the jedi that were easiest to kill.
This reputation, however, was enough to make him seem like an ominous and dangerous threat and had a great psychological affect on his opponents once he started fighting more experienced Jedi.
Only the most rational and level headed of the Order saw through Grievous psychological mind games to recognize that alot of his power came purely from his mind games rather than true combat skill; he was a great fighter when he was still humanoid but once he'd been put into that cumbersome robotic body he really wasn't in good condition to try and go up against people as skilled as Kenobi, Ti or Windu.
Honestly, I think Grievous is one of the most tragic characters to come out of the prequel movies. A great, noble warrior, ravaged and left emotionally unhinged, turned into little more than a rabid attack dog for the separatists.
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Completely different from Darth Vader. A great and noble Jedi, horribly injured and emotionaly unhinged turned into little more than a rabid attack dog for Darth Sidious... π: 0 β©: 1
... Wait a minute...
Hehehe, I did like that aspect.
Right down to Grievous's exoskeleton being the prototype for the suit that would later be used to keep Vader alive.
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hahahaha
she just knocked it straight off!
i love it!
lol
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Hah, thanks! I thought it seemed fitting.
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Oh boy....
I have mixed views on this subject.
One bit of me agrees whole heartedly with you.
Another bit of of me just says...AW SCREW IT!!! Just throw that all out the window, and imagine a scenerio where they get it on, and then kill eachother afterwards. Because hey. ANY fic where Grievous gets some is great in MY book! (That would be my horny fangirl side...)
I agree I don't take seriously the romance fics that repaint them as soft mushy kid's show characters.
There is actually a VERY well written, and believable one out there that I particularly enjoy though.
I see the fandom as very versatile, and free for anyone to play around in. I mean...do you think Lucas just made the movies for money?
He made a story. He shared his story. He made it for himself, and others to enjoy. What makes you think HE didn't think up stange crap once in awhile though? Stuff that would never happen in the story, but were entertaining nonetheless.
I love Grievous. I love Shaak Ti, and I accept their story. (By the way Qymaen had 12 wives, and 32 kids. So it wasn't just Ronderu, that he loved.)
All I'm saying is people shouldn't be so tight assed about certain things as trivial as an unrealistic pairing.
I personally find unrealistic pairings hilarious, and entertaining. Especially if they are horribly written.
Ah well. That's my two cents. Just giving my own opinion.
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And you're more than welcome to your opinion. I'm not saying others don't have the right to imagine whatever the heck they like with any character they choose.
If people wanna imagine Superman havin' gay love with Batman, hey, that's fine whatever floats there boat! People wanna imagine Shaak in a ball gown and the General in a tux dancing in the moon light then I won't stop them.
I'm just saying that, my opinion, is such notions are ridiculous. I'm sure Mr. Lucas doesn't care at all, he's lot dozens of people right EU books, which is basically just sanctioned Fanfiction that he could over rule at anytime, and I salute him for it.
However, I'm a writer myself, and I know personally if people started taking the characters from my novels and writing horrible unrealistic fanfiction of my heroine getting all lovey dovey with the badguy who tried to kill her I'd be pretty damn pissed.
It's just a personal opinion.
I've worked hard to build personality and relationships fitting for each of them and to see someone take all my work and toss it out the window in the favor of some Romeo and Juliet style pairing they find cute would be rather disappointing.
I'd like to think the fans I've built up with this series online and the ones I hope to win over once the book is published will be happy with the romances already found for the characters in the book so that they don't feel a need to go and rework them into sweet but unrealistic and unlikely romance.
So you're more than welcome to enjoy you're Shaak & Grievy pairings, I can't stop you, but I disagree withit on a fundamental level.
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Heh, well if I can't beat 'em, the least I can do is show a very different idea of the Shaak/Grievous pairing.
With brutal decapitation and maiming over and over again. 
Hmmm maybe I shoudl draw another of these...
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Cool - that is exactly how this duel should end! 
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Thank you muchly.
My biggest pet peeve in StarWars is relationships that don't make sense, most notably the bizarre idea of a Shaak & Grievous romance, she's the ONLY Jedi to face him more than three times and live, he tried to butcher her with 27 Magna Droids, he tied her up in electrified cables to keep her from interfering in his escape there is no WAY she would do anything but decapitate him if they met up again.
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Yeah - I also do not like this "romance" stuff (although it is sometiems draw in a cute way). I doubt she would like that mostly robotic monster! 
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o.o Yay for violent drawings of characters that should hate each other. Good for you taking a stand for what you believe. I'll back you up on that (though I don't have much knowledge of star wars) I can still relate that characters that have no cause to be together would 9.9 times out of 10 NOT go together, That erks me too.. so, yay!
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True, true. Hate made up relationship 'fan-fics' that can never be true.
Love this however.
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Wow just barely put this thing up and already a comment!
And yes, that's EXACTLY What I hate.
If it was a BELIEVABLE relationship like Shaak and Mace or Shaak and Aayla or something like that it wouldn't bother me NEAR as much.
It's on the same level of the weird stuff like Palpatine and Anakin or Batman and Robin.
Partners And/Or rivals does NOT equal lovers dammit! >.<
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Agree again. Mace and Shaak would make sense, seeing Mace isn't the 'typical' Jedi, hell even Shaak and Aayla would work. But a robot? And an arch enemy?
No no no.
Great deviation, again.
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Thanks man, really appreciate it.
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