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Published: 2007-11-12 19:09:14 +0000 UTC; Views: 1729; Favourites: 62; Downloads: 0
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Errr... I need a ND filter much more denser than what I have, any recomendations?_______________________________________
Tools
Nikon D50 | Sigma 10-20 | Hama Star 61 tripod | 2 x Cokin P154 | Cokin P121M
Post processing
USM | Saturation | Noise Reduction
Location
Guincho, Cascais, Portugal
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Comments: 23
A beautiful composition and geat detail in the ruins. I adore the colours you have achieved in this piece.
I am new to using filters, however, I just bought two grad greys that seem to be very neutral and are working well (I hope lol). They are JessopGG2 Dark Grey Grad and Light Grey GradGG1. I like the Dark Grey one most . [link] , [link]
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Grads and other filters are an important tool for me. Some prefer use Photoshop I prefer using them on the field.
I'm not familiar with Jessop, but if their are really neutral they are OK, thats the important thing.
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I was told not to bother with filters, however, I went ahead a bought some to see for myself. I find they make a huge difference to processing time. Yes you can do it in photoshop but it takes time. I found a little camera shop in Newcastle run by an old fellow who started photography when images were made on glass plates, he has amazing stories. I am going to go see him and get some more filters, not sure which ones yet
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This photo have been featured on Thumbs of the Week 39th .
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this deviation is being featured in my journal
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wow great job... when have you done it, I mean is it early morning? or it's sunset?
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I think it's beautiful. I honestly know nothing about photography so I can't offer any help or critique but I honestly think it looks stunning!
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é provável que precises de uns filtros ND melhores e que o sist. P da Cokin seja um bocado reles, mas de qualquer forma a foto está muitooo boa
as cores estão fabulosas (emboa não saiba se correspondem ao objectivo) e o enquadramento dá uma sensação de flutuação (não era bem isto que queria dizer, mas nao encontro melhor :s )
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O tamanho em grande não tem nada a ver com o que aparece em pequeno! Muitos parabens! Tem umas cores magnificas!
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This is great, a really nice capture.
As for filters, I know where you're coming from because I used to use Cokin P.
First of all, the P series ND grads aren't stong enough...an ND8 doesn't close out 3 stops of light (as it says it does), and you also get a colour cast.
I've also used bigger Cokin ZPros and they are better. The colour cast isn't so pronounced but they are still weak.
I really recommend Lee grads. Most european landscape professionals use Lee and the quality is superb. My 3 stop Lee grad is much darker than my 3 stop Cokin ZPro and it has no colour cast at all. Also, you can get them with a hard graduation which is more useful than the soft graduation on a Cokin filter for shot like this.
With regards to the ND400, as James pointed out, they tend to leave a slight colour cast too (which is one reason why most people use them for black and white work).
Finally, the white balance issue shouldn't be a problem if you shoot RAW. All the WB setting does is set the camera to shoot at a specific colour temperature. If you shoot RAW, you can set this after the shot in any RAW processing software like Lightroom, Nikon Capture NX or Aperture.
On my D80 I have the WB setting to manual and set it more of less to compensate for prevailing conditions (if it's a warm early morning or late evening light I set it around 5500K, if it's afterglow or pre-dawn glow I set it around 6300K, if it's cool overcast light I set it around 4000K).
Like I said, if it's a little out, then just change the colour temperature in the RAW file.
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Thanks for the tips, I'm dwelling between the Hoya ND400 and the B+W 110. Cokin filters no more, thank you.
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Toma vai buscar!!! 
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A cena das gaivotas tava a prometer, mas também não tirei nenhuma de jeito e depois elas bazaram... caguei nelas lol
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You can have graduated ND filters customm made for you by Singh Ray they make some amazing quality filters. They are expensive though for a 5 stop grad i think it's $225us for the cokin p size. What I can't believe though is that this image doesn't seem to have any colour shift do to the cokin grads and you used three I guess. Do you correct for it in post? Great shot too at an amazing location.
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Singh Ray are great, but the price... 
The cookin filters have SOME color cast issues allright, and I've experienced them quite badly or sometimes quite good [link]
My P154 would leave me a terrible pink cast in the photos untill I learned why. It seems that with filters that are more dense, some cameras get scrambled and don't measure WB properly, so the trick is using a costum WB measured with the filters on the lens.
That's what I did here, hand holding the filters 
The bad part is that you want to experiment with just one filter or two, you wave to always be measuring the WB, I wish I could store some 5 custom WB, I also need it for IR grrr...
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Singh Ray are expensive but they do have some unique filters you can't get anywhere else like the reverse ND grad.
B&W filters are probably really expensive too though and I didn't know they had a ten stop grad but I'm sure it's really good. Hoya make an ND400 that is 9stops+ which I just ordered and I think I paid like $50 for it. Although I just read a journal from and he says he got a slight purple cast from it but I guess it could be easily fixed with your handy little trick using custom WB. I am definitely going to try that out next time I'm using my crappy hitech ND with the magenta cast, I just wish it would work for grads. Thanks for the tip though.
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Que cores fantasticas!!
Parabéns por mais uma excelente foto.
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Dzian, essas cores estao um espectáculo! Já ouvi dizer que gostaste dos spots que o Filipe te mostrou!
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