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Published: 2019-08-02 13:04:47 +0000 UTC; Views: 540; Favourites: 64; Downloads: 15
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Lovely, half open oak-pine-forest. I really like when the trees stay a bit further away from each other so that even in summer light can come through and the ground vegetation is lush.
Location: Urwaldsteig, Nationalpark Kellerwald-Edersee, Hesse, Germany
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Das sieht wunderschön aus - aber noch nicht nach Urwald. Sofern der Klimawandel die Bäume leben lässt, wird das wohl noch ein paar Jährchen dauern.
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Ne, aber es wird fairerweise auch als "Urwald von Morgen" betitelt. Ich denke die Eichen sind was das angeht recht standfest.
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Hoffen wir es. In unserer Region sind auch die Eichen vom Waldsterben betroffen.
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Yes it makes for a healthy environment
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Ich bin vor wenigen Jahren auch schon einmal ein längeres Stück "Urwaldsteig" gelaufen und habe den Eindruck mitgenommen, dass der Wald noch lange nicht so naturnah entwickelt ist, wie das in der waldbaulichen Zielstruktur vorgesehen ist. Damals hatte ich mir vorgenommen, mir mal den Entwicklungsplan zu besorgen, um ein bischen mehr von dem zu verstehen, was ich da gesehen habe. Leider ist es dabei geblieben und ich weiß z.B. bis heute nicht, ob die Kiefer noch ganz verschwinden soll.
Jedenfalls aber ein sehr schönes Foto. Danke für die Erinnerung an eine in Abschnitten außerordentlich interessante Wanderung !
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Ja, naturnah dauert eben auch ewig. Das wird in unserer Lebenszeit nichts mehr. Vor allem da viele Bereiche des Nationalparks ja noch bis vor 15 Jahren forstwirtschaftlich genutzt wurden. Das sieht man eben.
Ob die Kiefern hier raus sollen, weiß ich nicht. Für mich sieht es so aus als hätten sie hier ein paar Kiefern rausgenommen, um den Wald aufzulichten und lassen jetzt dem Wald freien lauf (ähnlich wie im Harz mit den Fichten). Da die Kiefern hier nicht heimisch sind (habe gelesen, die wurden größtenteils während der Holznot mitte des 18. Jahrhunderts gepflanzt), werden die sich auf Dauer wohl nicht durchsetzen. Zu unseren Lebzeiten wird man aber noch den gemischten Wald sehen.
In anderen Teilen des Waldes hat die Bewirtschaftung ja deutlich früher aufgehört oder gar nicht stattgefunden und auch das sieht man. Am Südufer stehen ja extrem alte Eichen. Laut einem Buch sind die bis zu 1000 Jahre alt. Im Nationalpark führte der Urwaldsteig 800 m durch einen Abschnitt "fortgeschrittener Wildnis". Fand die Bezeichnung äußerst amüsant. Sehr deutsch auf jedenfall. 
Wie gesagt, es wird noch lange dauern, bis man von dem menschlichen Einfluss nichts mehr sehen wird. Ich fand es trotzdem ganz interessant mal den Fortschritt zu sehen. Es ist auf jedenfall ein gutes Projekt für die Zukunft.
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Freut mich, dass dich das Thema nicht nur stark interessiert, sondern dass du auch bestens informiert bist ! Da werden wir über Fotos zu anderen Gegenden sicher noch sehr viel sinnvollen Gesprächsstoff haben.
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You wouldn't like American forests--we let all the trees grow too thick and the natural trash pile up because we want to "preserve the natural beauty" >_< This looks like such a happy, healthy forest.
Beautiful photo. I how my eye naturally follows the path toward the light hitting the horizon.
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I'm not sure if you are trolling or not but in case you are not: I'm personally a big fan of wild natural areas. Coming from Germany, I know what it means to literally have no ancient forests left. Everything has been touched and logged at least once except for some extremely small areas (some of them are close to this place). Most of the forest here is managed. I can assure you that that doesn't make the forest more beautiful, it's the opposite.
I'm not sure, if this part of the forest is managed anymore. The national park here is new (2004) and their aim is it too bring it to a state close to nature again - aka get some of the unnatural trees out and then leave nature to go its way. More than 75 % of the park area is already left alone but I'm not sure about this particular one. You can see it has been managed in recent times though.
Anyways, what makes this forest beautiful isn't the management but the species of trees and the way they are growing. If this was still fully managed, the forest would be much denser and probably with a lot less oaks. Thick and gnarly trees are also the most beautiful form of trees and you don't get that in managed forests because they cut everything at 80 years.
I have seen quite a few different forests in NA and some of them were quite ugly, others were absolutely stunning. Ugly is just a personal preference though. I personally don't really like spruce or pine heavy forests like in the lower elevations of the Canadian Rockies for example. But if you compare them to the forestry spruce monoculture "forests" (if you ever see one, you will change your mind I'm sure) we have here, then they are still beautiful.... On the other hand you have insanely beautiful forests like on the Olympic Peninsula, Alleghenys/Blue Ridge Mountains, Redwoods in California etc.
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Trolling? I... meant no offense and I'm sorry. I was simply responding to your line, that you like how the trees are more separate and in much of our forests here, the trees are so dense (because we don't let natural take its course with small fires) that young trees get choked out and we lose diversity of plants and age. The forests are often so dark that you can't see through them, and the undergrowth piles up. We too have logged much of our old forests (I saw the logging damage done to old Sequoia groves), and only in the last few decades did we wake up. A few parks keep their forests maintained, like the Redwoods in Northern CA, but the Redwoods just south of San Francisco are not as in good shape.
Yes, not every forest is poorly maintained, and neither is every forest perfect, any where in the world. I'm sorry that the local management doesn't let nature take its own, unique course. We do the same here. I prefer that humans get out of the way and respect nature. In general, Americans define protecting nature as not letting it change, but many of our forests are suffocating because of it.
Sorry if I offended you, and I hope I responded to your core thoughts
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No, you didn't offend me at all, no worries. There are some weird folks on this page which troll me and others from time to time so I just wanted to make sure. Anyways, I get your point about the fires. Here that's not an issue because fire is not the natural driver of forest renewal in these parts. Forestry however has managed forests in a way that they are way too dense and a lot of them are, as mentioned, mono-cultures. If you just let them be they would end up like you describe it because they lost their natural ability of renewal.
However, pine and spruce forests as well as redwoods on NA's west coast need fires. If humans stop them all the time, then you get a problem. I think they let the fires take their cause in some areas as long as it doesn't endanger settlements or major roads. That's the case in Canada's national parks at least. As for the redwoods, I'm not sure. I have visited the State Parks and the National Park in northern California and they didn't look managed (aside from grooming trails). I'm not quite sure what you mean by "manage" then. Could you explain that?
I think we are pretty much on the same page. 
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Yeah, I think we are on the same page
In addition to fire suppression, we also have terrible replanting initiatives that treat a healthy, open-floor forest as "empty," so people make the forest floor too dense by planting way more saplings than are needed. In reality, the forest floor is in equilibrium and has as many trees as can thrive in the light. We have lost the idea that nature repairs itself--it doesn't need a doctor.
I hope that answers your question!
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Yeah it instantly caught my eye.
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