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just a visual example of the colors/genes Snowshoe Cobs come in/can have. I thought it'd be nice for people to see this explanation.
Also, do note that sooty merely darkens the topline with the possibility of dapples- it does not affect the mane/tail color. Roan doesn't darken anything, it lightens the body from the center out- meaning minimalist roans will be pale around the belly and easily mistaken for Rabicano ( which is not possible in Cobs )
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This helps very much! Thank you!
Oh! I've been meaning to ask an expert this, but forgot - can sooty, on real life horses, affect the mane? I have a ... I'm 99.9% sure he's a sooty chestnut tobiano/tovero. But, oddly, he has almost dun-like markings (dorsal stripe, very faint shoulder bar), but doesn't have any dark points on his ears or legs. Also, his mane is a mixture of chestnut hairs, dark brown hairs, and almost but not quite black hairs... so he looks like a light bay from far away. He has very very light dapples when looked at in the right angle as well.
I've heard of sooty sometimes affecting just the mane before, but I don't know if it was true or false, and I've heard somewhere that sooty can make false dun markings, but the same deal there. I have photos of Koriro in my gallery if you'd like to see him.
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without a photo or two I can't give you an answer on the color although I can tell you some chestnuts are mistaken for bays because of their manes/tails. It's called "sorrel" and it's just a sign that the chestnut is darker than usual that's all. As for sooty- Sooty affects only the body of the horse along the topline. It causes dappling but does NOT create dun markings. It there are dun markings ( at all, any of them ) then the horse carries the dun gene. But in answer to the basic question - does sooty affect the mane? & does soot cause dun markings? No. Dun is an exclusive restricter gene that lightens the coat on a horse everywhere except where the dark markings are visible. Sooty cannot affect the color of the mane/tail.
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Here's some photos - fav.me/d49bkkc - sta.sh/2lbwslfnlr5?edit=1 See the black in his mane? Along with red the same as his coat?
But if he is a dun, why doesn't he have points? I thought all duns had points, at least on the tips of their ears? And as for sooty, what about the lemonsilla palomino? I thought sooty was what made the lemonsilla palomino's mane/tail darker? I'm only asking because I had to make a lemonsilla a while ago, and I'm curious. X3
Someone said that maybe Koriro is one of those 'oddball' horse colors that have no explanation... ^^
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that is definitely sorrel ( dark chestnut ) I had a red-dun colt that had a near-black mane but he was still all red. Dun can be limited to just the dorsal stripe and the points can easily be hidden on the legs. Tipped ears is, surprisingly, a less common trait- same as lightening ( frosting ) of the mane/tail and webbing on the face. The only 100% definite way to know you have a dun is leg barring or the dorsal stripe being visible. the Cream gene in a single copy ( buckskin or palomino ) does NOT affect black hair. The most common cause of black or dark hair on a palomino is that if the horse did not have the cream gene present it would be a dark sorrel with black scattered in the hair. ( examples:: example; red chestnut with black in the tail | another example | more red example ) as you can see these horses are very clearly red/chestnut but they have black in their tails.
as for all the different names for shades of a horse- the horse is STILL the same thing as each other regardless of name. For example Taffy and Chocolate palomino are both still Silver Dapple ( black or seal bay ) and Isabella palomino is simply an extremely well diluted palomino. Gold Chestnut, Chestnut and Sorrel are still all Chestnut.
Hell some palominos can be so minimally diluted as to have a uniform gold color between coat and mane/tail.
also, after googling "lemonsilla palomino" and "lemonsilla horse" almost every image has been miss marked in color. Gold Champagne, flaxen chestnuts and palominos with basic black hairs scatted in place are mixed in there. I have yet to find a scientifically founded site that sources the "lemonsilla palomino" which leads me to believe this is a regionally based name ( such as taffy vs. chocolate palomino vs. silver dapple ).
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Oh, thank you! I've been trying to find his color for about a year now; one person had no clue, another swore he was a sun-bleached wild bay... but didn't give any explanation for the dorsal stripe or why he had red in his mane all year round. I had almost given up on trying to figure him out. XD I had thought that tipped ears was a major dun thing, one of the reasons why I was so confuzzled. XD
Oi... the silver conundrum again. XD Just when I think I've gotten my head wrapped around horse genetics, they throw me for a loop once again. Now that I think of it, what people call lemonsillas might actually be a silver buckskin.... they look just about the same after googling drawings of what lemonsillas should look like and photos of silver buckskins. One more loose thread woven back into the rug... now I only have about 100 left to go. XD
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to be honest there's only so much you can do visually for figuring out a horses color. The best bet is to submit for a genetic test on his colors. Unless its a fully, obviously sound appearance ( such as a true chestnut/sorrel, or a very clear bay ) there can always be underlying genes that just don't play out very strongly on the individual. I've seen buckskins and bay-duns that look almost true-bay or gold-bay and took a genetic test to be told apart. Hell I've seen buckskins that looked black ( seal bays and very dark bays + sooty + cream )
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