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People say they hate the Movie 'The Conqueror of Shamballa' but every excuse they give, seems to be moronic in there reasoning's. Like they never paid any attention to the Series (First Fullmetal Alchemist Series) Epically episodes 40-51.The dumbest Reason's I've heard
"Envy's a Dragon"
Reason : He changed into the Dragon at the end of 51 to get away from the souls inside the gate. And once here on this side of the gate, Alchemy can NOT be used, so he can not use his powers.
"Alphonse Dresses Like Edward"
It's called Honoring the dead, there are tons of examples in classic Literature. One example is Aragon in the 'Lord of the Rings' when he wore Boramir's gauntlets. Al only were Ed's cote, and his other cloths, You do know Ed and Al have NO money and Al is the exact same size as Ed.
"Winry and Ed are Separated"
There are such things as Lovers Separated forever, Titanic ring any bells.
"There's No Villain Character Development"
If you know anything about the Natiz's in WWII then you don't need any.
"There are Two Alphonse's"
NO SHIT SHERLOCK IT'S CALLED PARALLEL WORLDS!! Did you even Liston to Human Pride (Forgot his name) In Parallel Worlds, you have almost exact copies of people. Pride = Human Pride, Ed and Al Elric = Ed and Al Hindric.
"Earth is the Other Side of the Gate"
What did you think was going to be over there, Disney Land? It's almost perfect, the Gate is where are souls go when we die, and in Shamballa they can use our souls to make Alchemy work. (Hohenheim said this in the Episode 'Other Side of the Gate)
"Why Was Roy All Emo and Stop Using Alchemy"
Because he failed to protect Salem Bradly, and Edward, Roy searched for him and the last place that was left was the north. Also if you remember Roy was already on thin ice about using alchemy after the Isbal Massacre (As seen in Flame VS Fullmetal, and The episode where Hughes Died)
"and did the eye-patch cover half of his face? XD I mean when he got all ninja-stabbed by Bradley he looked...well dead. and then poof! oh just my eye got poked out"
Why does he where such a big eye patch. Well if you know anything about surgery, especially surgery during the WWII aria, you would know they did not have persist instruments. To stop Roy from bleeding to death, from being Shot in the head, they would have had to cut around his hole eye (Leaving a Scar, and people cover there scars up) to check if the bullet, which would have shattered in his skull, did not cause bleeding in the rest of his head. If you look at Episode 51 you see the badge all around his face where the patch is. Also he was half dead yes, but he did NOT have his shirt off in the movie, so his body is probably covered in scars, and if you see how he holds his hands, you can tell they where crippled.
"Edward's Gun Was Fake"
Edward's Gun was a WWII Nazi P38 9mm Pistol and here is a picture of a REAL one [link]
"Edward's Automail is Not Possible"
"My Dad Made Them" Hohenheim made the Automail with Panko (Said by Panko is the episode when he came home) also Hohenheim could have studied Nikola Tesla's inventions and his tech would have made the Arm and Leg work
Now this dumb reason is more of a guess
"Why can Al separate his soul"
Well maybe his soul like Bary the Chopper said "Your body will reject your soul" so maybe sense his body was only regain with the philosopher stone that every time he uses alchemy he gets closer to losing his soul forever.
"Why did Ed Have to Go Back? How Did he close the Gate on Earth's side"
Well if he just left it open on Earth's side what happened at the beginning of the film, with the metal soldiers would happen again. Now this one is probably a guess but they probably didn't close the gate, they just berried it by blowing the building up.
There are probably more dumb reason why people or so called 'Fans' hate the Movie but these are the the ones I get the most. If you haters have anymore reasons I'll be happy to prove you wrong, and your dumbness will be added to the list.
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cool I made this fan made commercial just for fun what if there was a game that takes place after the movie m.youtube.com/watch?v=CVIVKKZMβ¦
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I loved the movie but it broke my heart to pieces. I'm pretty sure FMA 2003 ripped my heart to pieces. xD
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People didn't hate Envy for turning into a dragon.Β I hated that he was anti-climactically defeated and was reduced to a plot device.Β Why was Envy even in the movie if he was going be wasted?
I also hated how they handled Izumi and Hohnhiem's deaths.Β Izumi wasn't important enough for an on-screen death?Β Yeah, forget Edward's father.Β We don't want him cutting into the screen time of our Mary Sue Gypsy.
Finally, the ending and Alβs soul armor ability.Β We didnβt hate it because it was tragic.Β We hated it because it was caused by a massive plot hole.Β Why didnβt Al transfer his soul to a suit of armor and close the gate on the other side?Β Youβre telling me that in the time it took him to stuff himself in that suit of armor, the thought of putting his soul in it did not once occur to him?Β What was the point of giving him that ability if he wasnβt going to use it to resolve the conflict?Β Ed and Al got separated from their loved once because they couldnβt use their brains for more than five seconds.Β It all could have easily been avoided.Β Giving Al the soul transfer ability ruined the movie because it gave the ending a huge plot hole.Β If they just didnβt have that ability, them being trapped in the other world wouldnβt bother me as much.
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aww thanks of this post. I haven't watched this, (dunno where I could in internet) and I was uninterested to watch it after I read the plot and some comments of it from people. what I understood from others was that characters were kinda butchered. Reading this opened my eyes about this movie and took away some of my misunderstandings 
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she read over the entire thing and signed it giving it her seal of approve.
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Well, to be honest, I didn't really like the ending of the first anime that much, not because it wasn't a happy ending (it was one in some aspects, but not so much in others, but that's irrelevant), I just didn't really like it that much because I didn't feel it was handled that great. I still enjoyed the ending as well as the movie, though.
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I think the reason people complain about Mustang's angst was that at the end of episode 51, he seemed emotionally fine.Β It's like he suddenly had an epiphany that a child died before his eyes a year or twoΒ after it happened.
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I didn't have a problem with Envy being a dragon.Β What I did have a problem with was how he was handled.Β You'd think that being stuck in that dragon form against somebody who can't use Alchemy in this world would make for an interesting conflict, but instead, he spends 99% of his screentime pinned to the ground.Β
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That was a problem in general I had with the 2003 series: the villains' defeats were poorly handled.Β Bradley could have easily avoided his death if he didn't give Selim that key.Β I get that he's the sin of Pride, but I think it was completely idiotic of him to keep his kryptonite like a hunting trophy.Β Then you have Dante, who after 51 episodes of build up, runs away, vows vengeance like a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain, and then gets eaten by Gluttony offscreen.Β If they were trying to make her fate terrifying by having us not know what happens, it kind of falls flat and easy to figure out considering who Gluttony is.Β It's a shame too, since they all were great villains character-wise.
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You just can't win with this debate.
FMA: Too depressing.
Brotherhood: Not depressing enough.
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Challenge excepted
It's not depressing it's called realism. Here I'll let Roy Mustang from the final Episode explain things to you "Nothing's perfect, the world's not perfect, but it's there for us, trying the best it can. That's what makes it so damn beautiful." In reality not everyone gets what they want most in the world, even if they work and try as hard as they can.
Brotherhood......happy happy joy joy, bunnies, rainbows, babies, everyone gets what they want and comes out clean. If I want to watch something like that I'll put in a Disney film. At least they never try to hid that fact about themselves.
Oh Yea!!
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We go to fiction to escape the harshness of reality. It irks me that people say the Manga had no depressing points. Ed had to get rid of his Alchemy and didn't even get his leg back, and Fu, Buccaneer, Greed, and Hohenhiem died. Sure, it wasn't a bloodbath like every Shakespeare story ever, but it had something.
After all the hardships the Elrics endured, don't they deserve this?
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Fu, Buccaneer were minor characters. Greed was a antivillian so he wasn't really a hero. Hohenhim wanted to die, he was sad that Trishia had to go first. Ed could have taken his leg back but decides to keep it (something about giving Winry something to do) and Ed could careless about his alchemy because "As Long as I have my friends"
No they don't deserve it, they committed a sin and then end up clean, sorry if the writer was going to have it be a happy ending she should have lowered the drama from the surrounding chapters. With the stakes being as low as she had it and every main character getting what they want in the end up being this big drawn out thing then no one dies, heck no one even gets hurt. (Roy get's his eyes back, Riza can talk, Havoc can walk) I mean come on, she should have at least given people scars at least. I like Disney movies (happy happy endings) but that was too much. I mean really, Lin becomes Emperor, May's family will be protected by Lin's, Winry get's Ed and two babies, Al gets May and his body, Roy gets his sight back, Havoc can walk, Riza can speck, the old guy who Roy worked under becomes Furhur, Wrath's Wife gets a baby (Pride) to raise all over again, etc. it's just to much happy.
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Yes, because losing their limbs and bodies wasn't karma enough for that sin.
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Not losing, misplacing. It's only lost if they never got them back (or in Ed case chose to not take it back)
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I agree with you all the way. I LOVED THIS MOVIE!
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I Loved the Movie, I don't care what anyone else thinks!
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"Edward's GUN wasn't REAL"
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THAT IS SOOOO FREAKING STUPID!
First off: who even pays ATTETION to that and
second off: WHY does it MATTER?
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I simply disliked it because who thought it would be a good idea to add NAZIS to FMA? Or to incorporate the real world at all? The series was great in the universe it had, trying to connect it to the real world just made everything fall flat. It somehow seemed less realistic and relatable.
The one high point of the movie was the fight between wrath and gluttony. That was pretty cool.
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THANK YOU. SO MUCH. I was almost convinced that I was the only one out there who actually loved this movie! I love you so much right now. xD I think I just cried a little.... just... THANK YOU. You have made my entire day!
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It actually broke my heart to see Alphonse dressed like Edward. To me it wasn't so much that he was honouring the dead, so much as he was trying to emulate his brother - as if copying Edward would somehow bring him closer.
But yeah, that aside, I agree. Shamballa was awesome. There is so much hatred for it and I honestly can't see where it comes from.
And am I really the only one who wasn't too saddened that there was no EdWin in the end? I mean... their friendship was awesome and it sucked they were separated, but I didn't really care for a romantic relationship between them. idk. It just doesn't seem like a good reason to disregard the entire film.
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I loved the movie so much and as many times as I have seen it, it still makes me cry at certain parts all the time. The reasons people hate this movie make no sense. I mean, come on, it's been explained probably at least twice in the episodes and in the movie itself. I'm assuming the disliking people, judging from the reasons, are just weeaboos and probably some yaoi fangirls who don't know how to appreciate a good movie.
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I liked Shambala to! It's hard to explain it but I think Shambala was excellent.
I'm sorry but I cannot watch the original series without thinking that the animation in the movie and in Brotherhood are so much better. So, I watch the movie and brotherhood. But I'm still a fan of the original series. If sometimes I can pass the animation then I love the original just as much as I love Brotherhood.
Shambala is actually a major influence (that and AKIRA) to a story/anime series I'm writing of my own. The only thing from FMA that looks like a disappointment is The Sacred Star of Milos. It leaves you with the impression that it could have continued with Ed and Winry's kids, and with all the cast and how they're back to normal, and maybe Fuhrer Roy Mustang 
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I have an issue with this stamp: I did not like CoS, I LOVED it
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i loved it so much i bought the deluxe edition
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I loved Shamballa (but I hated it at first, but then I saw the ending to Brotherhood and instantly became a die hard first series fan and came to accept the end)!! And I've heard all those dumb reasons too, I don't understand why people are hating it....
And WTF? I've heard of many people say they don't like the movie because of how Al dresses and such, but that's my favourite Al!! And CoS!Roy is also my favourite Mustang!! And people don't like the movie because Envy turned into a dragon? OK, that's the STUPIDEST one I've heard yet....
And for the reason for Al's soul, it was because it's been attached to so many different objects that it can be easily transmuted. First his human body, and then the armour, and then the Philosopher's Stone, and finally his human body again. It's just become very unstable.
Haha, I feel like such a nerd XD
Thank you for making this so very very very true stamp For you ~
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Now I'm not hating on the firest fma or the movie but I think it reached a point were it'd had fucked itself up so badly there was a point of no return xD
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well that's your opinion, not mine, and everyone is entitled to there own opinions.
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i agree with besides anime movies never really connect to the show that much, its from it but does not effect it always. But i loved this movie i am all into wwII so this was awesome to watch cause i was like yay NAZI vs FMA. good thing it didnt effect me during my final though XD
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I am laughing as you are good with those reponses
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I really do like Shamballa. I feel it captured the awesome of the manga and Brotherhood that FMA(2003) couldn't. The fight with Gluttony and Wrath was OK,but what made the movie awesome for me was the whole atmosphere of the thing. And the animation is just plain awesome(Wow they actually tried like in Brotherhood). I also LOVED the opening animation with the littl recap. Don't think I have anything against FMA(2003), it was just a good anime, while the movie and the manga and Brotherhood are epic.
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I was really sad; but I liked the movie
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hahaha your description made me laugh.
I did enjoy shamballa as a movie over all, but at the same time I didn't LOVE it. I don't know why. I guess part of it was a combination of some of the reasons you talked about lol.
besides, the last few episodes of the anime werent really part of the original storyline. I think it was because the production of the anime caught up with the manga chapters, and the manga series was nowhere near finished. so the animators kind of had to make up an ending
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that is the exact reasoning for them making there own ending (and in my opinion better ending)
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the ending to the original anime was pretty cool. I think the only reason I liked the brotherhood ending a TINY bit more is because there werent as many loose ends.
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I actually DID love the movie. The art and everything.
I admit I disliked no EdxWinry, but, Ed had a very important reason to go back. [/nod] And I was happy he was reunited with his brother, too, even if he didn't want Alphonse to follow. XD
I loved the first anime and the movie cause it lead me to the Manga. I never would've even known about FMA if it wasn't for the first anime.
I still love the Manga more cause of more awesome characters, but, I just love FMA as a holw. c:
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WHOLE, DAMN IT, WHOLE.
What is with my spelling lately?!
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GO GO CONQUEROR OF SHAMBALA!! xD We really needed something supporting the First Anime and CoS!
And I think you forgot, among the stupid reasons, "BAWWWWWWWWWW ALTER!HUGHES IS A NAZI".
Why hello there ladies, IT'S GERMANY RIGHT BEFORE WORLD WAR II, back then you were either a Nazi or something not very different from a dead corpse. Most, if not ALL people, if they wanted to keep their jobs and be safe, HAD to follow the Nazi Party.
And I remember it was very obvious Alter!Hughes didn't agree with the Nazi Party at all. He was still a good guy. Sooo, uhm, why the bitching?
For the "Al can separate his soul" thing, I think he said it himself: his soul is easily detachable (probably a side effect of him having been distant from his body for a long time), so it makes him able to do that stuff.
And lookety look, this is a thing that may be of interest: [link] After reading this, I think it wasn't ABSOLUTELY random the choice of Dragon!Envy.
Pffft at the "BAWWWWWWWWW ED AND WINRY DIDNT HAV TEH SMECKS CONQUEROR OF SHAMBALA SUXXX" reason.
1) Absolutely sure you aren't mistaking FMA for an EdxWinry fanfiction? Because it sure as hell looks like you are.
2) And they keep saying that I'm just making things up and no one ever used that as a reason to dislike the First Anime and Conqueror of Shambala. Suuure.
PS: The list's good, but it needs some spell-checking.
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It was kinda meh for FMA, but by alone is a pretty good movie and very interesting. And I loved the ending, it was perfect. Also Shambala!Edward is my favorite version of him, maybe because he is more mature :9 he piss me off in Brotherhood.
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AHAHAHA!
Your logic made my day~!
No really it does,Im sick of hearing moronic reason to hate on the movie all because they wont watch the anime,
But you touched on each reason with the same point of views I had,
But people dislike the idea of 'It combined with our world',since its a differnt style of anime I guess too?
The movie was amazing.
Alphonse~
I wanted to punch Ekhart in the face >:T
'Ed's gun was fake' ? WTF It was based on a real gun...Ive seen the actual gun its based off of,btw thanks for putting the name of it up :'D I had to do research on it for a history report :'D
Please keep up the epic logic and knowlegde my friend 
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Well thanks
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Woohoo! The same way I work myself,Ive seen almost all the 51 episodes almost 10 times each,I could almost tell each line,and then the movie over 15 times I know,i had someone tell me they didnt like the movie because 'Of 2 Als' and 'Why Does Envy kill Hohenheim'
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well toughs are dumb reasons.... people, go figure
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I didn't like that Al dressed like Ed because, well, the coat or ponytail, ok. But all the outfit? no. Ed and Al have different styles and attitudes. And as "honoring the dead thing" well, wasn't Al so sure his bro wasn't dead?
I also didn't like how vague (nonexistent) the closure was. The last episode kinda gave a clue (little snapshots of their life) but in the movie they messed that up (I am talking about Roy and Riza) not even Al and Ed got a decent closure (the OVA did however).
Also, you can add this to the "stupid" reasons why people don't like the movie: Plotholes!
like "how does Al separates part of his soul?" That's human transmutation, and no matter how much his soul has been from body to body it's still a soul, not some metal you can transmute once and again.
And "why did Ed had to come back? Couldn't he just close the portal from one side?" he can't use alchemy in this world, so how did he close it from this side anyway? the movie never shows...
Sure, the movie was awesome in animation and battles and overall pretty, good for AMV and fanfic. But sadly, not good enough as a closing chapter for the series.
And one last thing. You said "There are probably more dumb reason why people or so called 'Fans' hate the Movie but these are the the ones I get the most." and yet, you just added a few reasons ONE person wrote here. The gun thing it's not a real reason nor the patch. Nobody really cares about that.
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Now this dumb reason is more of a guess
"Why can Al separate his soul"
Well maybe his soul like Bary the Chopper said "Your body will reject your soul" so maybe sense his body was only regain with the philosopher stone that every time he uses alchemy he gets closer to losing his soul forever.
"Why did Ed Have to Go Back? How Did he close the Gate on Earth's side"
Well if he just left it open on Earth's side what happened at the beginning of the film, with the metal soldiers would happen again. Now this one is probably a guess but they probably didn't close the gate, they just berried it by blowing the building up.
There are probably more dumb reason why people or so called 'Fans' hate the Movie but these are the the ones I get the most. If you haters have anymore reasons I'll be happy to prove you wrong, and your dumbness will be added to the list.
P.S. You would be surprised how many times that comes up on the one and two star rating on Amazon.com
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I loved Shamballa too<3
LOL to all the people who say Roy went emo. It's called depression guys; Every human being goes through it and Roy had a pretty good reason.
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The fact that there was so many WW2 references makes my day, really. Some aspect of this movie wasn't so cool, but I really liked it. Such beautiful animation for a "anime movie"
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I didn't like it because it terribly confusing for me e_e
and the characterizations were kind of grating... I mean why the hell did Roy suddenly become so emo and is all "herp imma use matches and stand outside to freeze to death" XD I mean sheesh I know he has a lot of crap going on in his life but... cmon! and why did the eyepatch cover half of his face? XD I mean when he got all ninja-stabbed by Bradley he looked...well dead. and then poof! oh just my eye got poked out 
now my eyepatch is ginormous.... like the plotholes in this movie lololol
I could give my other reasons (with my WWII studying side being agonized by the failure representation of Nazi Germany XD) but Imma justa manga lover and arguing is pointless~
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At least he lost his eye, in the manga he gets blind and then he recovers his vision because the zomg magical powers of the Philosopher Stone (and friendship) bah why he didn't stay blind?.
Explain that bullshit please
And mostly of people that blindy workship the manga and loathe the first series is because the pairings are not canon enough and there are less zomg! battles. Also the xingese characters are mary sue/gary stu.
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