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For all those out there who believe in intelligent design
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Is this religious or something? (I'm reading comments and getting confused.)
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Pretty much. Intelligent design means you think that the universe was created by a supernatureal being (usually taken as the Christian God) rather than forming on it's own.
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I definitely do not support that.
Nifty stamp anyway.
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If you don't mind me asking, why not?
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Because I don't believe in religion. I could phrase it far more crudely but I think I like you, so I won't.
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Thank you!
I've read books supporting each theory, andwhat struck me most is that the creationist book actually laid out what scientists use as evidence for evolution, and then why the author didn't agree.
In the evolution book, all it said was something to the effect of creationists are stupid and wrong.
I think that religion has no place in science textbooks, but if Intelligent Design is a religion, Evolution is even more so.
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I believe in evolution. What about the common ancestry, the homologous structures, carbon dating, fossil records, mutations, extinct species, the Galapagos, DNA similarities, phylogeny, etc.?
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These are just my thoughts on the issues you mentioned,Not anything personal or directed to you, just the things I know and my thoughts regarding those topics.
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*shrug* Oh. Well, I believe that all of them support evolution.... and about homologous structures, I think that they point to common ancestors... and I always thought carbon dating was extremely accurate.
It's nice to see someone respectfully dissenting with me for once instead of screaming at me.:
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Well it was nice to have someone respectfully comment that they dissagre with my stamp. You are one of few.
It comes down to how people interpret the data. Also, I would talk more about carbon dating but that is one of my worst subjects and I truely am unfit to try and recall the information I once knew regaurding the subject.
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Well... I only read about it in mystery books where the characters are forensic anthropologists and stuff, so what I read may not be true.:
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I actually viewed this to find out what "Inetlligent Design" means since I have no idea but I can't believe how rude some people are... What a shame...
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People are very defensive of their beliefs and are angered by other people's beliefs, just the way things are
Intelligent design is a belief which says that the universe didn't come about by itself or was always around, but that God (Christian God) designed and made it. It is also a view that rejects evolution.
There are two main reason why "intelligent design" angers some people. First, it rejects evolution and has God (something which science can't "prove") as the creator. The scond reason why the phrase "Intelligent design" ticks people off has to do with Education History. Instad of me trying to explain that, you may just want to check it out here if you're interested: [link]
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lovely! *adds to journal* It just makes sence right? lol! awsome!!!
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Thanks! I'm glad you like it so much ^_^
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brave stamp, but personally don't think Religion has a place in Science. ie, I don't think Intelligent Design should be in science textbooks.
If we Christians put religion into science books, then its saying that science can be put into the bible :\ I think, and once you do that, war ensues..
I commend you for putting this up though
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Thanks
I don't think that religion should be put in science text books, but I still believe that the Earth was designed by an intelligent being (I believe it's the Christian God) and I don't necessarily think that should be in text books, but I think science should be open to other ideas about how the earth was formed; Not to say that they should just let any willy-nilly idea into a text book, it should be well researched and looked into but still, well researched and looked into ideas are not usually accepted into science.
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Great stamp.
I'm sorry people are being mean to you about it.
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Thanks! I'm glad you like the stamp
I know that if I post this kind of stuff though that I have to be prepared and able to handle a few not so friendly comments
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People get like that about things they don't like. I think Christianity gets most of the anti-religion comments (notice that some atheists and agnostics choose not to believe because they are angry with God or something bad happened in their lives, etc). Probably why I don't look up Christian images on here cause it pulls more of the negative stuff.
I have low tolerance for comments like that. I have every right to post something about what I believe as they have to post something that they do or don't. If you don't like it, then fine, but you don't have to be ugly about it.
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Hello, I'm terribly sorry, but I'd just like to throw in my two cents. First of all, bj666 is being quite a jerk, and is not arguing for evolution in a rational way. I apologize for his behavior.
I would just like to ask why you have decided to take the Bible literally. I have studied theology for many years, with a focus on Christian theology, and I have read the Bible cover to cover several times. If you have read it closely, one can see that the Bible contradicts itself several times. For example, read Jer 17:4 and Ps 30:5. They say completely different things about the nature of God.
Secondly, Jesus was an amazing man, he advocated peace and acceptance. However, the Old Testament advocates slavery, murder, and all sorts of terrible things. In Leviticus 25:44-46, God tells Moses that
"You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. "
So, although the Bible has several very good moral messages, it is also full of contradiction.
Now, I am not an atheist, and I respect belief in God, but I think that we must take the Bible metaphorically, especially the two creations stories, and interpret it as we would other literature in order to stand in good faith. Do you understand my point of view? Can you explain yours to me? I would like to hear it.
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ah crap, I tried to not make it a long post because I myself can't stand to read long posts but some how I always manage to write a book
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Don't worry. I enjoy reading the views of the other side of a debate. I think that understanding both sides is the only way to truly be a well-rounded, rational person.
"On a more personal note, I take the Bible literally because it makes sense to me so far and seeing as how the definition of a Christian is someone who has accept Christ's death in our place (and the only reason he was able to die in place of our sins is because of his deity) and provided that that is true, why shouldn't the rest of the Bible be true? I mean, the death of Christ who is fully man and God for everyone's sin is so outrageous, so why shouldn't all the other stuff in the Bible that seems just as outrageous be true?"
Because the Bible was written by many, many different people. People who all lived at different times in history, and were writing for many different intentions. Christ's death is something that definitely happened. Not only do I believe it as part of my faith-values, but it also has been proven historically. However, the creation story was written by a different author, with different intentions, at a different time period. We MUST interpret the books of the Bible individually, or else we are not being true believers OR true scholars. My priest has advocated this theory: That God planned and designed the universe, and then allowed the Big Bang to occur. He planted the seeds for his people on Earth, and has guided their evolution. God was the first scientist! And our faith and science can co-exist peacefully. We do not have to take the Bible literally because some parts of it were intended metaphorically, and others were not. Plus, the authors of the Gospels were around for Christ's death. The author of Genesis was not Adam or Eve. He wrote it as a metaphor for the difference between human and animal. How we stand in sin because of our awareness, but are also different because of it.
"For this particular passage, I don't know who the verse "God's anger lasts only a moment" is directed towards and it very well could be a contradiction in the Bible but before deciding that it is a contradiction, It's always important to check these things out."
That is a good point. I suggest that you read the entire passages surrounding these quotes. I promise that I am not trying to throw quotes at you out of context.
"Also, there are many laws that are written in the Bible that actually protect slaves. For example, if a person had an animal and that animal attacked someone's slave, the owner of the animal was punished."
Yes, but WHY was the owner of the animal punished? Because his animal had hurt someone else's PROPERTY! Not because the animal had hurt a human being. Jesus advocated the sanctity of all life. We are all children of God, including Gentiles. Directly aligning oneself with the Bible is aligning oneself with the people who wrote the Bible. God did not write it himself. This is why I take the teachings of Jesus and the God of peace into my life instead of these notions. Because I am not going to follow the teachings of human beings, who are made in the image of God, yet still flawed. I am going to follow Jesus.
I apologize for the long comment. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me. I think it's wonderful that you're willing to put your opinion out there instead of ignoring people who disagree as others might.
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Hey! It's summer and I have all the time in the world on my hands today so I'm going to finally pick this back up and comment . Sorry for being so late
Also, I don't want to write a post that is a million miles long, so I'm not going to type out any verses. You'll just have to follow along in your Bible or on Bible gateway .com
Anyways, at the moment, I'm doing a search on BibleGateway .com and I found some cool verses I want you to also see! Deut 23:15-16; Exodus 21:26-27; Exodus 21:32
Here's the verse in Exodus 21 that I would love to hide, but I can't do that.
Exodus 21:20-21. It does say that a slave was his property, but that does not mean that they did not still acknowledge that the slave was a human. If they did not acknowledge the slave being a human, then why would they punish the master for the death of the slave? I think that in the case where the animal hurts another slave, it is possibly because the slave is both a human and property.
I admit that I don't have all the answers and I don't know why God allowed that to happen, but the fact is that that's the way it was. And I just have to trust that there was a reason for that law. And I do believe that the laws written in the old testament were God breathed--meaning that God spoke to the authors and they wrote based upon what God was wanting and saying.
Also, Adam and Eve didn't write Genesis. Moses wrote down Genesis. But I do have to ask, how do you know that Moses had intentions of writing Genesis as a metaphor?
Personally, I side with Bill Jack (a guy at World View Academy), I figure that when I die and stand before God and I'm wrong about a literal 6 day creation, then I can say that I was just doing the best I could and that it was not me who made the mistake.
Also, did you know that there is a part of the Bible that God wrote with his own hand? God wrote with His own hand the Ten Commandments and it appears to me that God wrote down all the other laws on the stone tablets that follow. What is interesting is that God uses the word "yom" for the word 'day' in verses 20:8-11. Which happens to be the same word used in Genesis 1 for the word day, and here's a hint, Moses wrote down both Gen and Exodus.
Therefore, if we go with the idea that one day (yom) in Genesis = 1000 years, then that means that I should also interpret the word 'yom' in Exodus 20 as =1000 years I'm supposed to work for 6000 years and then on the 7000 year I'm supposed to rest?
It's just something to think about.
Well, I'm really exhausted now. Phew, that was a lot! I think it's because we've gotten off on to many subjects XD
And it's not a problem--I think it is very important to know what other people think and believe.
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sorry I haven't responded back yet, I've just been so busy and the times I'm not busy, I forget 
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No worries! I'll be around for a while yet.
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Yeah I totally get your view and I understand a lot of views on both sides of arguments regarding evolution vrs.creation and the one we're talking about, literal vrs. metaphorical Bible.
I haven't read the Bible front to back yet, But a few months ago I came across those same verses in Levit. And was extremely troubled by them, in fact I almost gave up Christianity entirely!
But I didn't want to give up just right away because understanding the historical context of the verses is critical when trying to figure out what they mean. So I consulted a woman in my church about it because I have never met anyone who knows more about Biblical history than her and that's saying a lot. When I asked her about the verses I said "these are so horrible sounding! Why would God allow Jews to make gentiles slaves? And the verses following it seem to imply that they could treat their gentile slaves harshly." She told me that it doesn't imply that you can treat a gentile slave harshly and that their slavery was very different from the slavery that I was thinking of which was correct because the only kind of slavery that I know about is what happened here in America (which was absolutely horrible). In the days when the passage was written, slavery was actually a way of helping the community (I know that sounds like a load of bull but keep reading...) Slavery was much more humane back then and the reasons why they had slaves was to take in people who were on the streets and had no way of earning money. They would hire them and provide them with food and a place to live and a job so that they could earn money. Also, when parents could not afford to care of a son or daughter, they would sell them to a person that they trusted would take good care of them and provide work and income so that the parents wouldn't have a child who went hungry and homeless. In all cases of slavery, there was contract that was made between either by the person who was to be a slave themselves or by the parents of the one being sold.
Also, there are many laws that are written in the Bible that actually protect slaves. For example, if a person had an animal and that animal attacked someone's slave, the owner of the animal was punished.
Also, in Jer. 17:4 it clearly says that it is by the people's own fault. Can a parent help it when they tell their kid to do their homework but secretly the kid doesn't do any of it and gets an F? Kinda the same thing.
It is also to point out that later in that same chapter of Jer. 14 it says in verse 10 "I the LORD will search the heart and examine the mind, to reward a man according to his conduct, according to what his deeds deserve."
The Psalms are poems and songs so you must keep in mind that life time" and "moment" in a poem may not be the same as a literal moment and life time. But that answer is kind of the easy way out answer and I hate those. That Psalm is a song to the dedication of a temple. The words in this song could be directed towards their feelings toward God and God's feelings towards the writer, people group who built the temple, or to all people who ever walk the earth. These are important questions to ask when reading the Bible. For this particular passage, I don't know who the verse "God's anger lasts only a moment" is directed towards and it very well could be a contradiction in the Bible but before deciding that it is a contradiction, It's always important to check these things out.
On a more personal note, I take the Bible literally because it makes sense to me so far and seeing as how the definition of a Christian is someone who has accept Christ's death in our place (and the only reason he was able to die in place of our sins is because of his deity) and provided that that is true, why shouldn't the rest of the Bible be true? I mean, the death of Christ who is fully man and God for everyone's sin is so outrageous, so why shouldn't all the other stuff in the Bible that seems just as outrageous be true?
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"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
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I want to state my poinion here, just to add my voice to the overall clamour.
Intelligent design states that life is too infinitely complex to have evolved via arbitrary forces, it states examples like taking an mechanism out of an particular organelle accusedly making it cease function etc. And therefore, an omnipotent being created life.
I am a darwinist, and also I am particularly proud to say that I am *also* a christian.
Most theologists I have talk to state very clearly that evolution does not contradict the scriptures. One told me, since god is everything and everywhere, that evolution is as much a part of god as sunlight etc. If god is everything, hence a force, as opposed to a conventianal entity, it would be logical that however and whenever god, and the universe came about, that moment could be termed as when god created the universe.
Another opinion is that god created THROUGH evolution, evolution being the means, creation being the end (as in "a means to an end").
Most importantly, the bible itself does not state that god created life, it states that the earth and waters brought forth/ put forth life.
I quote:
Genesis 11
Then god said "Let the earth put forth vegetation..."
Genesis 20
And god said "let the waters bring fourth swarms of living creatures and let birds fly above the earth..."
Genesis 24
And god said "let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind..."
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Through observation of what the scriptures say about genesis, and through my knowledge of natural history, my opinion is that evolution and creation are in fact the same thing.
Note that this paralells evolution strongly, plants DID come first, and flying insects and water creatures came BEFORE conventional land animals.
I am a firm believer of finding a balance between faith and science, and that, one day, they will cease to be separate disciplines.
Thankyou for your time.
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I really do appreciate your polite way of posting your argument. Thank you.
If I may disagree, lots of the evidence pointing towards evolution has been proven wrong. Some were hoaxes, some bones from other creatures. Many scientists have been starting to say that Darwin's theory has a lot of gaps.
Just my
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Do fruits grow off of God or do they grow off of trees? Do carrots grow underneath God's skin or do they grow in the dirt? Land and nature does produce vegetation today. Just because the land produces vegetation does not mean that such a process was not designed by God.
Not only did you twist the meaning of verse 20 from the original meaning (which is that the waters contain tons of sea creatures and that birds fly in the sky) to a completely different meaning (which is that God told the waters to bring forth living creatures) but you also left out the following verse which clearly states that God created the animals.
You're right, it does say that God said "let the land produce living creatures" but the Bible again also clearly states immediately after that verse that God made them even though the land produced them. I'm not so sure how that works but it's what the Bible says.
Now, here's a verse that you didn't mention and others have not mentioned to you because it does not support your theory;
This verse unlike the others gives people no chance to even begin to try and make a case to claim that the Bible says that man evolved because these verses say that God alone is responsible for the creation of man and that land has nothing to do with man's creation or man's reproduction. 
Also, I am just curious, I don't mean to be rude in asking this and I have no intentions of ever being rude, but I want to ask you something.
Do you personally accept all of the Bible (which are written about as true events that actually happened) as being true or do you believe that only some events that the Bible talks about as really having happened, as events that actually took place?
And one last question,
I too have heard many people say that God is everything and that God is the sun and God is the water and the tree, but can you show me any Bible verse that actually supports that?
*All verses are from the NIV translation.
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just so you know, I used MY copy of the bible, so it was the bets source I can find, so I was not twisting anything.
I do believe that all of the bible is true in some way, but some is metaphor alluding to a deeper mystery than the bible can explain.
Also, I want to ask you a question.
Why is one tiny part of the bible such a contentious issue? The wider messge of aceptance and forgiveness is surely more important that the few paragraphs that pertain to "creation". The only reason I defend my view of evolution, and creation being a metaphore thereof, is because religious people seem to seek ways to belittle science and replace it with their own views, which is not only anti-intellectual, but also counter intuitive.
All I'm saying is that science seeks answers, it does not profess to have them as definitive gospel truth. I can think of better things to do that quarrel over what I believe, I just wanted to speak my opinion.
Personally, I think it is arrogant to claim that all the answers to how things came about can be summed up so neatly as the few paragraphs of genesis that pertain to life on earth. I think pursuing answers by finding out ourselves, as opposed to following one artefact, is a more humble and noble thing to do.
And fnally, I did not mention the creation of man, because though science can provide evidence as to man evoilving pysically, it can not account for man's spirit or soul. I dont profess to know things like that.
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I also think that people should seek out answers for themselves and not just take people or holy books at their word.
What translation were you using? I don't think I've ever heard that specific translation of Genesis before.
To answer your question, I don't think that I should believe only bits and pieces of the Bible and dismiss other stuff as myths with a great message, and because of that I believe that even a small passage at the beginning of the Bible is important. Also, someone once told me that if you shake the meaning of the book of Genesis, you've shaken the foundation of the Bible.
And after hearing that and thinking about it, I realized that statement definitely holds some water. The whole point of Christ dying is because people sin and if God never created people and humans really did just evolve, there would be no moral right and wrong because there would be nothing to base right and wrong on thus, sin wouldn't really exist except in our minds. And that right there would make Christ's death on the cross pointless.
Then all of that makes me think about the "Lord, lier, lunatic" argument (I believe originally thought up by CS Lewis). The argument is that you either believe that Jesus was God like he said he was, a lunatic because he thought he was the God of the universe incarnate and even willingly died for his claim of being God, or you believe he was a lier and back in those days in the Jewish culture, there was nothing worse than claiming to be God, it was blasphemy and people were crucified and treated as criminals for making such claims. You can't say that Jesus was just a "good person" because good people back in that time frame did not go around claiming to be God. And most historians believe that there was a man named Jesus, the one that the Bible talks about (so I have heard).
But I don't really want to argue over beliefs either. I've been in that whole ring before and it's exhausting and people really don't get anywhere and people end up loosing their tempers. All of the stuff that I am saying above isn't meant to be said in an argumentative way but I just thought it valid to share with you some of the things I have heard.
And I do appologize for accusing you of twisting around the Bible. That was wrong of me and out of line.
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thanks for sharing your beliefs, it's good to know people dont just reject evolution for small or fickle reasons.
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yeah, I'm definitely not one for just sticking my nose in the air at something when I hardly know a thing about it. People should know what they believe in and more importantly, they should know why they believe it.
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yes, that's something I can agree with
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I'm really glad someone finally made this stamp. I'm gonna add this to my list, and I'll fav it too. You go Godly girl!
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Thanks! I was pretty surprised when I went to go browse for specific stamps that no one had ever made an intelligent Design stamp so I made one
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I was happily suprised to see this in someone's journal, and I was like, "Hey, I wanna use that now!"
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