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Published: 2017-11-15 01:21:06 +0000 UTC; Views: 11563; Favourites: 115; Downloads: 13
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The one where Toriel gets pissed ^_^
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LoL, yes, it is now officially a mustache because I’ll never be able to see anything else.
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that wasn't supposed to be a mustache?
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Unfortunately, no. I was trying to show Grillby talking with Toriel but I like the idea of Grillz having a mustache.
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hum
Papy, I'm not sure that what you say is true.
I'm not sure that knowing that Chara was aware of all would have stopped your dad.
You idealize him but you were young...
Biggest proof? Toriel wasn't aware of the "soul experiment thing" so Gaster has not told to Asgore and Toriel so he has lied to them.
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Pap definitely has rose colored glasses on now when it comes to his dad. Gaster was by no means innocent.
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History has prooven that a lof of bad people were loving parents.
So sorry Papyrus, but I think that you didn't know your father.
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Yeah, Pap is definitely looking through some rose colored glasses when it comes to his dad right now.
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So much information in the illustrations X3
Poor Sans tho, he's doing his best
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I was having a lot of fun with the memory images.
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After all that Sans and Frisk have been through, every reset, every game over and death. I do not think there is anything either could say or do to help each other in this peaceful timeline they have found themselves in, however permanent it may or not be. Instead, it seems that they both reached a form of unspoken agreement to do their best to suppress the nightmares of the past like soldiers carrying the burdens of war into normal society. In truth, I believe that Sans supported Frisk best as a silent guardian, allowing them to push themselves far beyond the point of mental recovery against the 'demon that comes when called' through the knowledge that at the end of every timeline, he will be there with them. Regardless of Sans' actions he will always find himself being unable to help but care about Frisk. Which makes it all the more heartbreaking every time they have to suffer together as their world begins to fall apart yet again.
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That’s a very interesting way to look at it. I like the idea of them both working towards the same goal though only one of them realizes it. They’re both so broken neither of them can really see beyond the pain and trauma of their pasts. Trudging forwarder trying to find a better future despite the heavy weight of the past that claws at their backs.
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I will freely admit that I'm more than willing to say any dialogue or remain silent in duress for any dialogue that may save the fragile moments of happiness the Soriel ship may sail, let alone give others incentive to maintain the good ending that so many seem to be willing to discard for curiosities sake...
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Yeah, things aren’t going well 😱
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Whoa
After all, Toriel has been more "cruel" with Asgore even when he was so much depressed and almost ready to kill himself (neutral ending, when Flowey doesn't kill him), even if he had "excuses", even if he was so sad, she has been "merciless" with him.
And here with what she has discovers and the fact that Sans has lied for years...
I don't know if it's en end of the Soriel in your story
but if it is, you'll be the first to "dare" to do it.
Yeah Asgore has killed the children, but Gaster and Alphys has done experiments on their soul, when they were still awake and it's not forgivable either, wathever the excuses.
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I haven't fully decided if the Soriel in this story will survive the revelations that have occurred.
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actually this possiblity that the relationship doesn't survive is more interessant that the other (that it survives)
because relationships don't always survive...sometimes it's broken and can't be healed.
And it would be emotionally more interessant and deep.
also again she has NOT forgive to Asgore, even when he was very close of kill himself, why she would forgive Sans?
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Asgore actively murder human children to steal their souls and encouraged the monster people to do the same and was also publicly promoting the genocide of the human race, what with everyone talking about how Asgore was going to absorb the seven souls and destroy humanity so that monsters could live freely on the surface. That being said, Sans did try to kill Frisk even though he failed over and over, but Toriel isn't fully aware of that yet. I think Asgore had some really compelling reasons to do what he did and I think bad communication between Asgore and Toriel led to her not being aware of how distraught he was over what he had to do to free his people so if they'd had the chance to really talk I think Asgore and Toriel could have mended their relationship but that's just not the path I went down in this comic. If Sans isn't able to convey to Toriel what happened and why he did what he did, he'll be in the same boat Asgore's in.
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We'll I think that I just want Sans to be treated in a "fair" way. Judged in the same way that the others. Judged by Toriel at the same level that Asgore (you know, the monsters with who she has has a child and raised another, spent centuries with him...).
Why Asgore is "never" forgiven and Sans always forgiven?
You know, one of the reasons for "why I don't like a lot soriel" is how some Soriel fans treat Asgore.
I know that Goat Dad has done a lot of errors but he doesn't deserve some things that some people do to him.
It's why I'm happy to see fans like you, who could be ready to go in the train of pain,who think about "destroy" a ship and all... ^^
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That’s totally fair 😊 Asgore does get villainized a lot in the fandom but I think Toby Fox did a really excellent job making him a likable and sympathetic character even though he has so little screen time. I didn’t get to sail the Toriel/Asgore ship this time around, but there’s always next time.... if I ever manage to finish this comic 😅
Anyway, I really appreciate your thoughtful words and hope the comic continues to entertain you 😊
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Sans has a lot of explaining to do, yes. Unfortunately for Sans, Goat Mom’s ears are stuffed with fear potatoes 😱
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Hell certainly has no fury like a mother protecting her young. Tread carefully Sans. Angry goat mom will bite
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And Sans has just more or less implied that he has never see himself as a dad for Frisk. Or seen Frisk as his child.
And it's painful to understand for Toriel.
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Yeah, that's pretty much it. Sans feels terrible about that, all of those missed opportunities, but he can't change what he did.
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Yeah, I really should have used a reference. I was thinking it might be too much honestly but I wanted some kind of obvious show of Frisk protecting her monster friends.
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Oooooooh, Toriiiii!!! I sense some disturbance in the force. Sorry I'm late to the party; kinda busy. But, I still make room for these lovely perks of life you provide called "Comic strips".
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Glad you’re still checking in on the comic. I hope it continues to entertain 😊
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Excepttttttttttttttt, that isn't all she's done. Not in this timeline anyways.
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Frisk has been a very busy lady... but Chara was no slouch when he was in charge
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FREAKING TORIEL
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FREAKING SANS, TOO
Ugh, there's fault on both sides. It's PAINFULLY clear that Sans has a lot of emotional baggage, and it wasn't like he could really do anything about Gaster's work at the time, so for Toriel to start cutting into him and especially into Papyrus about that is both unfair and blind on her side. I would also go into how blindly she's making the accusations about Sans's more recent behavior, but she didn't know anything about the possible danger Frisk could pose until just now, and even so she doesn't know the extent of it, so I'll let her off the hook there.
Of course, since this is an argument of "You didn't do enough to stop their suffering!", Toriel can't exactly look down from her high horse, because she did the EXACT. SAME. THING. WITH THE OTHER SIX SOULS. She boasted about wanting to protect humans and free monsters, but she never followed Frisk or any of the others out of the ruins, and she never ingested a human soul to get the other six.
On the other hand, Sans certainly could have done more the last fourteen years. I understand why he didn't, but after this long you think he'd start developing just a little bit of trust in Frisk. She HAS been fighting these tendencies for this long, and he knows more than anyone about what she and Chara did, so there's a good chance he had a bit of information, advice, etc. that could have helped her ward off the influence even further. He knows what bad parenting looks like all too well, so for him to avoid Frisk so avidly is falling into the same trap as Gaster did, in a sense.
Just. Start communicating, you two. You freaking live together. And on that note start communicating with Papyrus too.
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Wow! I'm really flattered that you took so much time to write out such a thoughtful comment. It makes me blush
Yes, there is more than enough fault to spread around. Toriel starting in on Pap and Sans about something their father did was really a low blow, but my reasoning is that she's in panic mom mode and isn't doing a lot of clear thinking right now. There is about a truck full of fear parked on her heart and she's scrambling to find something to do that might alleviate that weight so she's picked a target and started projecting that fear in the form of anger.
Also, yes, that is a very strong point that I was hoping people would remember. Toriel let six other souls walk away to their death and did nothing about it and she hates herself for doing that. There is a wonderful and heartfelt short comic out there that puts forth the idea that Toriel kept reasoning with herself standing in the way of her people's freedom by keeping the humans safe was unfair to monster kind and that she too wanted freedom from the underground even though she could never bring herself to kill a human. I really wish I could find a link to that comic. It was really good. Anyway, I like the idea of her projecting her own self hatred onto Sans after realizing what he did... she'll feel bad about it later, but for now it's rage time.
Fourteen years is a long time to be mistrustful, but listening in on Frisk's occupational arguments with Chara helped. He only ever heard Frisk's side of the conversations so to him it just seemed like she was talking about the genocide run. Sans's PTSD had him living in constant fear. Trying to enjoy the moments he was allowed, trying to do what he thought Frisk wanted so he could keep his happy ending a little longer, but always afraid that at any moment it could be snatched away without warning even after all of these years. For him, the game never ended, for him the game was all about treading lightly and part of that was never ever talking about the genocide run with Frisk for fear that even mentioning it to her would bright it all back.
But yes, now is the talking time. All the BS has been dropped and now dealing with reality as it is now and communicating with each other will be key, though the high emotional fog makes such things difficult at the moment. They'd better traverse this minefield quickly before it's too late ^_^
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It’s all good. This comic really makes a person think! Heh, ya blushing cutie. I would've loved to see that comic about Toriel; that sort of double-mindedness would've done well to make her character a little more redeemable in canon.
If there’s a person here who’s “more” at fault, though, I’d say it’s Toriel. Sans has very strong reasoning behind doing or not doing what he does, and if she were in his shoes it's likely that she would be doing the exact same things. In truth he's no more than a victim of his circumstances.
That isn't to say, though, that Toriel is a demon, because she's not. As you say, she's just in panic mode. All it's really gonna take for her to get back on the right track is someone to calm her down; I get the feeling that way back when, Asgore would've been the one to do that, but these days...
My only question now is, are you actually gonna cut through this thick emotional fog, or is Sans gonna have to flip his lid and introduce the shock factor first?
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Sans is trying his best to keep a level head but it’s not going to last. I’m still trying to figure out if I want him to explode or just crumble.
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Hmm...
Sans exploding would make him seem bigger and much more terrifying than what these guys perceive him as. This may earn him more respect in terms of his social interactions, though I'm sure he wouldn't like that it came about through fear. It would be most likely to happen if Toriel kept pushing about Gaster, since he has a lot of pent-up anger and unresolved grief over that.
For him to crumble, on the other hand, might make him seem more relatable to other people, and would illicit pity at worst and empathy at best. It wouldn't earn him as much respect as an explosion would, but it may be healthier for him. This would be most likely to happen if Sans were pushed about his alleged wrongdoings due to his knowledge about resets, since the way he deals with that is apathy, primarily.
Of course, that's just what I predict, and I might be rambling here. You do what you think's best.
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All interesting points that would be wise for me to think over ^_^
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Wow... I never thought about it that way... all I thought was ‘Take a chill pill! Geez!’
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ahem* I think its's time to break it to her about genocide
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Um..tori...before those fourteen years I’m pretty sure Sans went through a year of hell thinking it was Frisk Who was doing ALL of it.. their both at fault here goat mom
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frisk is a victim, and so is sans, both have blame, frisk for giving in the first time, sans for keeping quiet.
but toriel's still a crazy goat imo
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Toriel loses her mind a bit when it comes to her children
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It is difficult when you have information someone else doesn't, but you can't share it.
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