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longipenus [2018-12-06 20:13:07 +0000 UTC]
At my school there is a tiny community of conservative christens (like at the most 10 people) me and my boyfriend are part of that group. All day at school I hear kids bashing christens. Sometimes I'm a little scared of the kids at my school, because they talk about the ''virtues'' of human population control (yes, you read that right) so It is kind of daunting to stand up for my self, but I still do.
Oh, BTW, could I use the stamp? just wondering...And I have no idea how to make a stamp either because I'm new here...
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ThunderSnowolf [2018-11-16 14:57:00 +0000 UTC]
Christmas is a pagan holiday, actually.
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FennecyAdoptsStamps [2018-07-22 22:22:22 +0000 UTC]
While I can see were you are coming from there is one thing I'd like too point out though. Christmas is actually a Pagan holiday not a Christian one, same thing with Easter too.
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Xenomaster [2018-06-06 22:16:39 +0000 UTC]
The reason you'd likely hear atheists bashing on Christianity is because you live in a very Christian country. I bash on Christianity because it is the biggest religion where I live and can affect me and others
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Xenomaster In reply to XxPristineFlipperxX [2018-08-27 06:39:24 +0000 UTC]
Well... technically speaking it is better, but a smidgid. If a Christian tries to bash atheism, then it's like a Jazz player trying to bash silence or a football player trying to bash sitting. Saying you are an atheist is just saying what you aren't. Christianity in the past and today has caused serious harm. Look no further than your own president making it so people can reject the LGBT communiy services, under religious freedom
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Xenomaster In reply to XxPristineFlipperxX [2018-08-27 15:32:27 +0000 UTC]
Well.. that's the thing.
Ignoring how some good things don't erase any bad things (just ask Dorian Gray), just because the religion has done good things, it doesn't mean the religion has a monopoly on those good things.
Such things as "do not steal" can be considered not as moral (bare with me) when coming from a holy book as it is just a pronouncement while a secular source would explain why.
The good things just edge it into "why bother with the religion" territory as you don't need the religion to do those good things.
And even then, the religion deals in absolutes. The aforementioned "do not steal" may not imply in some situations.
Under the definition of "take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it"; is it wrong for a child to steal an apple if they haven't had food in days? If my friend has an addiction or was suicidal/homicidal, is it wrong for me to take things that can harm them or others away? what about killing; Am I to be punished if I preform a mercy kill, assisted suicide or something as simple as taking a braindead person off life support? What about self defense?
Religions (the bible in particular) operates under moral absolutes, regardless of context
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Xenomaster In reply to XxPristineFlipperxX [2018-08-27 19:48:14 +0000 UTC]
Actually, the religion originally called for genocide, slavery, sexism and more. Contradicting the religion is a good thing
Then there's no real punishment if you can just get forgiveness. Even worse, those that are guaranteed to be punished are the non-believers as it is said in the bible that apostasy is the unforgivable sin
It's alright. Forgive the analogy; but even if you are the greatest speaker with a golden tongue, if you are advertising sh*t, then you are advertising sh*t (you can try to explain something to be good, but strong enough implications are not going to be ignored. A good example of this was when Matt Dillahunty explained how someone tried to explain "god hardened the pharaoh's heart" as the pharaoh's doing, when it says word for word "god hardened the pharaoh's heart").
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longipenus In reply to Xenomaster [2018-12-06 20:20:12 +0000 UTC]
We all would like to see proof of where the bible says that slavery, genocide, racism, sexism is OK...
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Xenomaster In reply to longipenus [2018-12-06 21:19:18 +0000 UTC]
You are kidding right? It is super easy to find to the point where asking for proof is trivial
Leviticus 25:44-46 explains about buying men, women and children from foreigners, treating them as property. While they say not to do this to Israelite people, Exodus 21:2-6 explains how you can do so otherwise, which is give them a wife and kids. They are to remain your property even if the man goes free. Exodus 21:7-11 explains how to sell your daughter, what happens when the person you sold her to isn't pleased. Exodus 21:20-21 is about beating slaves, specifically how I don't get punished if they die later that week. Ephesians 6:5 and 1 Timothy 6:1-2, New Testament passages, explain how slaves should REMAIN slaves and not seek freedom... and Luke 12:47-48 says how slaves are punished for refusing being a slave.
Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21 commands the deaths of the Cannanites, the Amalekites in Exodus 17:13 and , the Midianites in Numbers 31:17-18, 10,000 Moabites in Judges 3:29, the people of Sihon in Deuteronomy 2:33-34, the entire population of Jericho in Joshua 6:21-27, 12,000 people in Ai in Joshua 8:22-25, Gibeonites, the people of Makkedah, the Libnahites, the people of Lachish, the Eglonites, the Hebronites and the Debirites in Joshua 10:10-39, and the Anakim in Joshua 11:21-23, all despite there being a commandment of not killing. This all also counts as racism as well, Genesis 38 has Er and Omar killed as their mother was a Caananite.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 says a woman should not speak in church and that she should ask her husband at home, husbands they are told to submit to in Colossians 3:18 and Ephesians 5:22-24 (along with Genesis 3:16, inducing giving birth painfully). Raping women because she is attractive is ok in Deuteronomy 21:11-14, 22:23-29 says a woman I raped is to be wed to me. Lot offers both his daughters to be raped in Genesis 19:8. Pretty much the latter half of Jacob and Esau has his cousins (yay, incest) and their handmaidens be his baby mommas. Leviticus 12:2 and Leviticus 12:5 tells of how long women are "unclean" after birth. 1 Timothy 2:12 even says a woman cannot be a boss of a man. Deuteronomy 25:5-10 says how a widow is passed onto her brother in law if she was childless. The two wives of Samson were seen as backstabbers, Job's wife told him to curse god, Lot's wife was turned to salt and his daughters date raped him to have kids
This also includes Exodus 21:7-11 as that is about selling your daughters and Numbers 31:17-18 said the virgin girls are to be kept as they saw fit.
Proof enough?
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Xenomaster In reply to XxPristineFlipperxX [2018-08-27 21:24:44 +0000 UTC]
And that is another problem as the Old Testament has the reason for needing Jesus while also having the ten commandments. And that not judging thing is ironic as the book has plenty to judge. There's even a passage that compares gay people to drunkards and idolaters as if that is the same level of bad
I think the biggest problem for me is that people attribute so much good to religion when you can either get the same result secularly or you can strip away anything unnecessary from religion and get the same result.
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Xenomaster In reply to XxPristineFlipperxX [2018-08-28 09:40:41 +0000 UTC]
Ignoring how the (assuming this is the roman-catholic version) first three are all the same commandment with little application, coveting is actually what keeps the economy going, some situations have breaking some rules being more preferable than keeping them (taking away harmful substances, lying to protect someone, etc), some rules are actually the opposite of how things should work (respecting parents should not be automatic but earned) and there are no rules against slavery or rape (the laws about adultery apply if the raper is married)?
Again, you can take away the actual religion and use what is actually working
I'm only having a friendly conversation
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Xenomaster In reply to XxPristineFlipperxX [2018-08-28 17:54:11 +0000 UTC]
You said the NT "fixes the adultery law" when it won't apply to non-married individuals
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Xenomaster In reply to XxPristineFlipperxX [2018-08-28 18:34:45 +0000 UTC]
Because adultery is "voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not their spouse."
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Xenomaster In reply to XxPristineFlipperxX [2018-08-28 19:23:41 +0000 UTC]
That is not only that thought crime, but it wouldn't apply to single individuals
It also says to de-eye yourself...
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