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Heytomemeimhome [2017-02-19 23:27:00 +0000 UTC]
Oh my goodness, this was the very concept that I have been fascinated by! finally someone with the time and resources considered it!
Oh what's antartica like ?given it wouldn't have frozen completely to death in this timeline.
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Heytomemeimhome In reply to juniorWoodchuck [2017-02-21 13:01:31 +0000 UTC]
Why would Antarctica be populated by migrants only, what about all the native marsupials, primitive ungulates, terror birds what not?
I think that if the land is habitable enough for coniferous Forrest then perhaps you could have some convergent "polar bears" descended from possums (I don't think they really know much about early Cenozoic fine from Antarctica, but considering that it was linked to South America and Australia for quite a while positing at the finer most likely be somewhat like the fauna from those places is a very reasonable bet to make)
The only thing I can really imagine stopping the ice ages would be gradual warming of the planet instead of a cooling that have been slowly building up to that point for much of the latter part of the Cenozoic.
I can imagine with more large predators around penguins would tend to nest on offshore islands more than they would on the actual coast
Some other ideas, since Antarctica would be by your estimation warm enough to host forests and some of it's regions there would probably be a native Eva Fond some of the radius, since Antarctica would be by your estimation warm enough to host forests and some of it's regions there were probably be a native avia Fonda not dependent on the sea or migrating there during the warm season, because Antarctica would still be pretty isolated from the rest of the world just by distance any native birds there would have trouble migrating across the southern ocean unless they're already incredible flyers, therefore I speculate that you might see something that you don't really see in our timeline hibernating birds I can imagine things like very large owls touching themselves into tree hollows for the winter becoming so heavy that they have to time instead of fly up.
I'm thinking that it could be a very seasonal place much like the Arctic in their own timeline, if the Arctic was a bit warmer… Wait actually what I mean is if the Arctic was like what it is right now with global warming, and not connected Many nearby landmasses, that makes for a good equivalent.
I suspect the ground slots with their heavy coats and slow metabolism would probably be the dominant herbivores on the continent, they might even exclusively evolve as it seems like it might be one of those few places on this particular world with areas that turn into wide-open praries for any period of time. just my thoughts.
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juniorWoodchuck In reply to Heytomemeimhome [2017-02-27 16:57:08 +0000 UTC]
Mostly just because I was thinking of another project when writing that... Antarctica would of course have native mammals and all that good stuff... Astrapotheres converging on pachyderms and stuff like that...
Yeah, I don’t know all that much about the past life of Antarctica either but I think it’s largely unknown anyways. Some speculation surely won’t hurt...
Keep in mind though that the presence of forests does not mean it has to be particularly warm though. After all, there are also forests in Russia, Siberia and Alaska... I really like the idea of hibernating birds though so that’s something I might implement (I’d give you credit of course)
And yes, there’d definitely be more open areas there so there would be room for larger animals such as ground sloths... I can already imagine them becoming almost bison or mammoth-like in lifestyle
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Heytomemeimhome In reply to juniorWoodchuck [2017-03-01 02:02:54 +0000 UTC]
Well of course I was thinking that the thick but cold forests of Canada would be vaugley similar as habitat.
Although, if the waters were slightly warmer which they probably would be without as much glacial run off, you could also get something like temperature rain forests in the far western islands, I suspect outside of the glaciers tigers and temperate rainforest you probably also see tundra and and temperate grasslands.
Penguins would actually probably be a bit slimmer and more solitary than in our timeline, as with different currents you probably wouldn't see nearly as large schools of fish around the edges of the continent.
Of course… They're probably actually would be some seasonal migration of birds, because I can imagine that in the spring they would probably be large briefs forms of insects like we see in the Arctic OTL.
What is the more I think about it the more I see they're probably would be a wide multitude of changes from a warmer ocean which is the thing that I think is going on in this timeline, although I might be misunderstanding.
I just realize one last thing, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multit…
Went extinct around the time of the freezing of Antarctica, and some of them certainly lived in South America so is it possible that this Clay didn't go extinct at all, actually with the changes throughout most of the world in this timeline I'd have to wonder to what extent rodents rose to power in this world, or not ?
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juniorWoodchuck In reply to Heytomemeimhome [2017-03-14 19:25:10 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, since the temperatures of both the atmosphere and the waters would be warmer, penguins would’t need quite as much fat to insulate them. Maybe they’d look more like hesperornithes or something like that...
Definitely agree with the other points you raised too, there’d definitely be a lot of migratory birds in the warmer months to feed on all the insects that emerge from the thawing bodies of water... during this time, some parts might become swampy before turning into grasslands..
The face of Antarctica would most likely be in a constant state of change as animals come and go, ice melts and the landscape transforms.
Well, as far as I know, it’s not exactly known why multituberculates went extinct... there are some theories but no definitive answer. They might have not made it in this timeline either due to competition and other factors. They actually coexisted with rodents for quite a while but they just didn’t quite recover from the KT event so rodents would most likely still be very prosperous.
I might just include them anyways though as it’s not really meant to be the most scientifically plausible scenario anyways...
After all, there are strange animal-humans roaming about the place
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Heytomemeimhome In reply to juniorWoodchuck [2017-03-17 01:30:43 +0000 UTC]
Well, I personally don't find "strange animal humans club to be that far fetched of a concept… The only weird thing about it would be hominids evolving at all in a timeline where the forests never reduce and scale, however certainly possible that human evolution could've gone in a different way than it did in our timeline, I mean just thinking about say the robust australopithacines becoming more dominant gives you an idea as to just how differently things could have gone. Actually, the foreign species simply found itself without useable crops we probably would've developed differently, there are so many small and subtle things to consider.
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juniorWoodchuck In reply to Heytomemeimhome [2017-03-22 20:45:28 +0000 UTC]
Well yeah, humans in this timeline are essentially like great apes... I have some older concepts in which they have evolved into quite a lot of diverse forms but I don’ think I’ll use that
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JurassicJacob [2017-01-17 15:07:17 +0000 UTC]
This is awesome! I especially like the dormice! I am also thinking about doing some speculations on dormice evolution, because they are such cool critters! It's for a project called Holocene and Beyond, about how the world will look in the 22nd and 23rd Century, and then what will happen after humans go extinct. It focuses on descendants of urban animals and genetically modified species. I thought that dormice might appear in French furistic cities, because I hear they're pretty common over there.
Anyway, very cool stuff!
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juniorWoodchuck In reply to JurassicJacob [2017-01-19 12:18:24 +0000 UTC]
Thank you very much!
That sounds like a pretty cool idea, especially since those are the animals most likely to survive if we keep going like we have been up until now
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JurassicJacob In reply to juniorWoodchuck [2017-01-19 14:47:36 +0000 UTC]
Thanks. It seems like a pretty plausible route for future life to go down.
Anyway, great work here!
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AntFingers [2017-01-17 08:53:55 +0000 UTC]
Rat-monkeys? Oh you.
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AntFingers In reply to juniorWoodchuck [2017-01-20 01:55:07 +0000 UTC]
Eh, humans can be called sapient ape babies, or sapient baby apes. You get my drift.
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juniorWoodchuck In reply to AntFingers [2017-01-20 19:38:32 +0000 UTC]
Well yeah, but then again an elephant-shrimp and a shrimp-elephant would be two very different things...
But that’s not what I was trying to say anyways, I actually meant that it’s more of a mouse than a rat
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AntFingers In reply to juniorWoodchuck [2017-01-21 08:16:53 +0000 UTC]
Oh, I get it now. I also now need to draw Eleshrimp and Crustaceophants.
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archeoraptor38 [2017-01-17 07:15:41 +0000 UTC]
I have a project with a rather similar premise but rather different
elapahants are also small but unuglates are pretty diverse, brids dont get so many magafaunal niches but I came to the same conclusion thatcentralk Asia migth be arid
also instead of grebes you could have used plotopterids for northen hemisphere penguin niche
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QueenSerenity2012 [2017-01-17 02:28:11 +0000 UTC]
Your alternate histories are always the highlight of my day, I only wish we saw them more frequently!
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juniorWoodchuck In reply to QueenSerenity2012 [2017-01-19 12:15:42 +0000 UTC]
Aw, thank you so much!
There might be more from this and I do have some other ides for alternate evolution ideas so there definitely will be others in the future...
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Michael2K17 [2017-01-17 00:12:15 +0000 UTC]
I love your work.
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Zgerken [2017-01-16 22:28:22 +0000 UTC]
An interesting set of creatures, I especially like the background information you give on them.
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Ryan-Bowers [2017-01-16 22:11:43 +0000 UTC]
Okay this is fantastic the birds have to be my favourite you're lines are always so gosh darn neat
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PeteriDish [2017-01-16 22:07:54 +0000 UTC]
yay!
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juniorWoodchuck In reply to PeteriDish [2017-01-16 22:32:32 +0000 UTC]
Yay indeed (although I’m actually not too happy with the drawing)
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juniorWoodchuck In reply to PeteriDish [2017-01-19 12:13:19 +0000 UTC]
I dunno... I just feel like I could have done better so I’m a bit dissatisfied with it...
Writing the description helped me appreciate it a bit more since I actually put a lot of time and effort into that
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