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Description So here are the P'urépecha outfits! First, I will go over their history and culture briefly and then discuss the outfits.

The P'urépecha inhabited most of what is the Mexican state of Michoacán in the Late Postclassic period (1250-1500). To give an idea of where they are, they lie west to the Aztecs. Like the Aztecs they quickly expanded into a powerful empire in Mesoamerica. Unlike them however, they were a much more centralized society. In fact, they were the exception, as most of Mesoamerica in the Late Postclassic was split into city-state tributary systems with varied spheres of influences. The Aztecs (The Triple Alliance of Tenochtitlan, Tlacopan and Texcoco) were the most powerful of these city-states. The P'urépecha on the other hand had a tighter control over its conquered territory. Their capital was Tzintzuntzan, located near Lake Pátzquaro and surrounded by other important cities like Ihuatzio and Pátzquaro. By the time of the Spanish invasion, the P'urépecha Empire had already began conquering Aztec territory. Had the Spanish invasion not happened it is possible that the P'urépecha may have actually conquered the Aztec empire in time. Given their military technological superiority it certainly was a possibility. But where did the P'urépecha originate from and who were the rulers who carved this powerful empire?

The Aztecs knew them as the Michoaca. Other names call them the Huacanace. The Spaniards called them Tarascans. The word Tarascan comes from a Spanish misunderstanding of the word 'Tarascue' which means "son in-law". Since the Spaniards heard them use this word they assumed it was the name they gave themselves. It was actually a reference to the Spaniards' taking of indigenous girls i.e. "their daughters". It's not known what they called themselves at the time, but nowadays the P'urépecha refer to themselves as that - P'urépecha. The name P'urépecha means, 'the commoners' or 'the people'.

What is fascinating about the P'urépecha is their uniqueness and enigma status in regard to other Mesoamerican peoples. Their language for example has no close relatives in Mesoamerica. They were also known for making copper and bronze tools, weapons and art which wasn't too common in the area. Their architecture was also pretty different - making more rounded, circular buildings instead of the rectangular ones which were more common elsewhere. And their fashion, which I will get to later was also very distinct.

Their true origins are still a matter of debate. Their most important document, a manuscript called the Relación de Michoacán explains how they're people came from a mixture between Chichimec nomads from the north, with the inhabitants near Lake Pátzquaro. They arrived sometime in the Early Postclassic (900-1250). From here, they established their settlement called Zacapu. The founder of the lineage who ruled the P'urépecha was a man named Iréticátame. He and his future descendents were said to rule in place of their solar, fiery deity, Curícaueri . Iréticátame's wife, likewise was the Sun's wife, the Moon Xaratanga. They honored Curícaueri and Xaratanga by burning firewood and sending them the scented smoke which also connected their people with the divine (sky) where they resided. Collecting firewood was an obligatory task due to its tremendous religious significance, and the P'urépecha still regard their forests and mountains as sacred places today as well.

Iréticátame's lineage was known as the Uacúsecha or Eagle dynasty. This lineage lasted until the Spanish invasion. Following Iréticátame, came Sicuírancha; following him came Pauácame and Uápeani (the Chichimec lords), and following them came Curátame. After Curátame's rule, the lineage split between two founders named Pauácame II and Uápeani II. Following Pauácame II, came Taríacuri. Taríacuri was the man who unified the Lake towns and cities and moved the settlement of Zacapu to Tzintzuntan. He was the son of a Chichimec lord and the daughter of a local fisherman of Lake Pátzquaro. He would became the first Cazonci (ruler) around the year 1300 - and this was the beginning of their kingdom.

Taríacuri's children were placed to govern the three major cities of Tzintzuntzan, Ihuatzio and Pátzquaro. They mixed within their own lineage with one of their Chichimec ancestor's (Uapeani II) descendents. It should be remembered that the P'urépecha royal family practiced incest like most royal families did. Taríacuri died roughly around 1350, leaving his son Hinguingaje, to rule. Most of Hinguingaje's lineage was said to live an off colored lifestyle however and most were killed off. Following him, the next Cazonci was his nephew, Hiripan, who ruled until 1430.

The next Cazonci, Hiripan's brother, Tangáxoan, further empowered Tzintzuntzan and made it the center of power in the P'urépecha Triple Alliance (Tzintzuntzan, Ihuatzio and Pátzquaro) . Similar to how the Mexica made Mexico-Tenochtitlan the most powerful city of their Triple Alliance that also included Texcoco and Tlacopan. Interestingly, Tzintzuntzan means "Place of Hummingbirds". And they were guided to found this city by Tzintzuquixu or "Hummingbird of the South". Tangáxoan died in 1454, leaving his reign to Tzitzipandáquare who ruled until 1479. It was during his reign that the kingdom became more of an empire and it reached its greatest extent, conquering part of Guanajuato in the north, the Nahua and Matlazinca lands to the east and in the west, the ports of Zacatula on the Pacific coast. This particular port was important as it maintained ties with seafaring traders from the south. Around this time, the Mexican Tlatoani Axayacatl heard the grievances of the Tlatoani of Toluca who was worried of the growing Purepecha expansion. Axayacatl now had his excuse to invade the P'urépecha empire. Check this map of the P'urépecha Empire (colored green) next to the Aztec Empire: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…

Although the P'urépecha kingdom was more of a rural empire, due to being less urbanized than Central Mexico it was still a very powerful state, capable of holding back the Aztecs. And even with its smaller size, they were the Aztecs' greatest rival. The Aztec Tlatoani Axayacatl is renowned for being a conqueror. He is probably most known for invading his neighboring city of Tlatelolco. But his ambitions west were firmly stomped. Following the request of the Tlatoani of Toluca he sent 30,000-24,000 troops to invade the P'urépecha Empire in 1478. And although his forces were making advancements, they were repelled in a famous battle in Charo. There, the P'urépecha nearly annihilated the Aztec army. Even the nobles and elite warriors (the famous Eagle knights) were all captured or killed. To Axayacatl's horror only 2000 troops returned home in humiliating defeat. This was probably the Aztecs worst defeat in their history (until the arrival of the Spaniards) and it stopped any ambitions for trying to expand their empire west. But it did not end their hostilities.

The P'urépecha on the other hand were not invincible either. They ultimately lost the Salitre or Saltpeter War against a unified force from Colima and their neighboring allies on the Pacific coast. They were soundly defeated in the Battle of Tlajomulco in the 1480's and were able to retain their independence from the P'urépecha. This war also cost the P'urépecha Empire their recent acquisition of Zacatula as they were expelled from the Colima lands altogether. Meanwhile, the wars with the Aztecs continued under the Tlatoani Ahuizotl, mostly with the help of people neighboring the P'urépecha. The border was particularly militarized. The Cutzmala garrison for instance held up to 10,000 warriors - as a testament to this hostile era. In addition, the Mexicans also instigated and aided many rebellions by conquered people living within the P'urépecha Empire. Interestingly, despite all this there was still trade between the two empires. This trade was largely a black market where things were secretly exchanged between the two enemies (likely smuggled across the border). And the P'urépecha Emperor or Cazonci also attended the inauguration parties of the new Aztec Emperors.

In spite of the rancor that existed between the Aztec Empire and the P'urépecha Empire there was an attempt for an alliance at least briefly. This was during the Spanish invasion of the Aztec Empire. In an act of desperation Moctezuma II sent emissaries to the P'urépecha Cazonci to offer an alliance against the Spaniards and their allies. The combined forces of the Totonacs, Tlaxcaltecs and Spaniards was proving too much for the Triple Alliance to handle on their own and to help even the odds Moctezuma II offered an alliance with the Cazonci. Certainly had such an alliance taken place the Spaniards and Tlaxcallans would have no chance of victory. The Cazonci, who was Tangáxoan II, however, rejected this proposal and killed the Mexican emissaries. One of his reasons for doing so was because he criticized the Mexica for only giving their Gods songs and not firewood, like the P'urépecha did. He thought this was a useless offering for the Gods. Cortes also sent word to the Cazonci for an alliance against the Aztecs, however, he was rejected as well. Instead, they remained neutral at least until 1522.

From the ruins of Tenochtitlan, Cortes sent emissaries who exchanged gifts with the P'urépecha Cazonci Tangáxoan II. When Cortes received some gold as part of his gifts, his interests in the region suddenly peaked. He immediately sent Cristobal de Olid with a small army of Tlaxcaltecs and conquistadors to Tzintzuntzan. Fearing that his Empire would be devastated and his capital sacked the same way that occurred in Tenochtitlan with the Aztecs - he decided to not put up any resistance at all, despite having an army of 100,000 troops. This was greatly opposed by some of the nobles but for not doing anything, Tangáxoan II was allowed to remain as a ruler to his people even though Cortes also claimed to be their ruler. It should be noted that the Cazonci was also dealing with an outbreak of diseases brought on by the Europeans. When Cortes found out that he was not receiving the full tribute payments from the Cazonci, he conspired with a noble named Cuinierángari to kill Tangáxoan II. In 1530 Tangáxoan II surrendered and was later strangled, tied to a stake and burned. With the help of Cuinierángari and the ruthless conquistador Nuño de Guzmán who'd been sent to Michoacán, the Cazonci was no more. Nuño de Guzmán was particularly famous for committing countless of atrocities in this very turbulent period. There was however some heroic figures who fought the Spaniards after the Cazonci's death, like Princess Erendira. She was said to learn to ride a captured Spanish horse and lead troops to battle with her father (perhaps the brother of Tangáxoan II). What became of her is unknown but it's thought she committed suicide or died some other way after her father died.

After the death of the last free Cazonci (Tangáxoan II), the P'urépecha Empire was no more. In addition, the diseases carried by the Europeans continued to devastate the local population. From then on a series of puppet rulers were installed until it gradually became a part of New Spain. Although their empire is no more, the P'urépecha people remain in the Mexican states of Michoacán (and a few others in Jalisco and Guanajuato) to this very day. The name Michoacán comes from Nahuatl which means "Place of Fishermen", a name given by the Aztecs to the P'urépecha, who fished in Lake Pátzquaro. Today the P'urépecha number at about 175,000 people in Mexico and small immigration communities in the United States. Most still live in their ancestors' homeland in the mountainous lands surrounded by oak, fir and pine trees. And to this day these forests are regarded as sacred places. And although their temples are now destroyed or in ruins, they still have their natural counterparts- the mountains. Although now the forests are being destroyed by illegal loggers, run by the Mexican Drug Cartels (to make room for marijuana plantations) and with no help from the Mexican Government to stop the activities. This has left the P'urépecha to lead the fight to protect their sacred lands by themselves. Some have since declared themselves autonomous from the state of Mexico. Today, many still also speak the language and have their own contemporary fashion. Now then, let's go back in time to the Late Postclassic period and explore these outfits! The following outfits omit most of the military attire, and focuses more on the civilian clothing:

1. The Skirt: The skirt is known as a sirìhtaqua, in the P'urépecha language. It is a made of a rectangular piece of cloth wrapped around and tied at the waist. This was the most basic element of female clothing. The sirìhtaqua was unique among Mesoamerican skirts in that they were unusually shorter than all the others and more tighter fitting. At its longest, skirts barely reached above the knees. Skirts were typically made of cotton or maguey and they were decorated with checkered and striped patterns. This was the only garment worn by some women as P'urépecha women were usually topless (another feature that is uncommon among other Mesoamericans). The use of such little clothes is a bit surprising given that they lived in a place where the climate brings frost during some times of the year. This example is probably of a commoner woman.

2.The Skirt II: This is an alternate version from the figure above only with yellowish paint. It appears on a scene showing a commoner's post-wedding duties that occurred before consummation. During this period of a few days women had to sweep the house and the road in which the husband will eventually take to return to her, after he's completed his duties of getting firewood for the temple.

3. The Weed Skirt: This is a type of skirt that contained vegetal fiber. In the Relación de Michoacán they are mentioned as 'naguales de yerba'. A nagual was a word Spaniards used to describe indigenous skirts. In this example it is worn by a noblewoman. Note her short hair - the Codex Florentine mentions P'urépecha men and women shaving their heads. While this may be an Aztec exaggeration (they regarded them as enemies so there may be an air of slander), short hair or partly shaven hair does indeed appear for some women in the Relación de Michoacán. But, not all of the P'urépecha appear this way.

4. The Left-Side Quechquemitl:This is a short triangular quechquemitl that was worn at the side. That is, the 'triangular' point which would normally be worn front and back was switched at the sides along the shoulders.This leaves the front and back sides of open. The right point is flipped over to the left side, leaving only the left side hanging down. Since the quchquemitl is also much shorter than the usual length it leaves her torso almost completely bare. As a result only one shoulder and the neck are covered. This outfit comes from an illustration in the Relación de Michoacán that shows a noblewoman who is about to be married. It is also worn by the Goddess Xaratanga who appears to Tangáxoan I in a dream. This figure wears a turquoise necklace that would be worn by Princesses during their weddings.

5. The Right-Side Quechquemitl: A variant of the left-side quechquemitl. It is also depicted in the Relación de Michoacán. However in this case it is worn by a noblewoman who presents the head of Lord Curínguaro (whom she beheaded) to her relative, Taríacuri.

6. The Rounded Quechquemitl: This is a rounded quechquemitl. Unlike previous examples this one is more full in that it covers her torso more. This kind of outfit would be more appropriate for the colder environment and yet strangely it rarely appears in the primary sources. Quechquemitl's of all varieties seem to be garments worn only by the elites. She is probably the Ireri or head wife of the Cazonci (ruler). The Cazonci's palace was made up of mostly women, including those who guarded his home and possessions. The Cazonci had children with many of them too, who would later marry other dignitaries. The Ireri was thought of as the wife of the Sun and had authority over the other women of the Iréchequaro (Royal Palace). The Royal women lived in a special place called the Guatápperio.

7.The Hip Cloth: This is the most basic element worn by males. Unlike other Mesoamericans who wear loincloths, P'urépecha males wear this short hip cloth which wraps around the body. Because it did not wrap between the legs it often left their genitals and rear exposed. To some of their contemporaries, like the Aztecs, and later the Spaniards, this was seen as indecent and shameful. The lack of a loincloth however makes the P'urépecha very unique among Mesoamericans. His hair is worn in a typical male way; shaven style, like a short mohawk, with a braided tail in the back. This example is of a commoner.

8.The Hip-Cloth II: This version shows the same figure from above only with black paint. I included one version with and without black paint because of its frequent occurrence on some of the people wearing the hip cloth. I am not sure what the meaning of the black paint was but it was certainly used by commoners. It appears in a scene showing a commoner's wedding, or the labors the groom had to do after the wedding, but before the couple consummated.

9.The Executioner: This shows an executioner or a man who delivers punishment to those who break the laws. He has long hair with a short headband. He also has a lip plug of gold which indicates his status as a member of nobility. He carries a club with which he uses to crush the offenders head.

10.The Cicuilli: This shows a tunic that was worn by men instead of the typical Mesoamerican cape. It is sown closed however other varieties that have ties at the front also exist. It is made of cotton or maguey and it was of elbow width while its length went just above the knees. The garment resembled the huipil (a common Mesoamerican blouse worn by women). This is why other Mesoamericans thought it strange that the men not only did not wear loincloths, but also wore 'women's' clothing. The Aztecs often made fun of them for this. This is worn by a 'valiant man', a special elite warrior in their army. They sometimes carried their squadrons banner in their hands. While, military banners were commonly used by other Mesoamerican captains and warriors, those were carried on their backs, not their hands like this figure. This example is worn by a 'valiant warrior', however it was also worn by all the lords and nobles. Some Cicuilli were additionally adorned with feathers.

11.The Petámuti: This is a High Priest, called the Petámuti. He was the head of the Cúritecha, a sect of priests who carried tobacco gourds on their backs. The Petámuti was known for wearing garments and accessories specific to him. He wears a sown cicuilli or tunic with a stepped design called the ucata-tararenguequa. His staff is the irréchequa tsiríquarequa which symbolically represented the Empire with the flint spear (the Gods of the Hunt), the turquoise stone (the blue-green waters of lake Pátzquaro), and the feathers of multi colors which represented the four directions - north (yellow), south (black), west (white), and east (red). He also has a wreath of white fiber or feathers. In addition, he carries copper/gold tweezers. And finally his tobacco gourd set with turquoise stones was a reminder of his responsibility to the people by literally bearing them on his back. According to their creation stories, humans came from four little balls of ash - and that is what is left over after the tobacco and incense balls he carries in his gourd are burned - ash. One last thing to notice is his sandals. Red sandals were indicative of people born of noble birth.

12.The Cazonci: This is the ruler of the P'urépecha Empire, who is given the title of the Irecha or Cazonci. The Cazonci was known for wearing a colored braid, with a wreath of clover leaves around his head. In addition he also wears turquoise lip plugs, gold ear plugs, and a necklace of fish bones (such necklaces being prestigious). His cicuilli is of a longer robe-like length, but this was not restricted for the Cazonci to wear. Also his ties at the front reveal that it resembled more of a long jacket. In fact, the name cicuilli is thought to have come from the Nahuatl loan word for their jackets - xicolli. Lastly, he also wears red sandals and bracelets of gold. Here, he also carries a pipe in his hand. Ceramic pipes were another unique feature among the P'urépecha . In the Relación de Michoacán the Cazonci is also identified by being seated on a stool.

13.The Cazonci II: This is an alternate outfit worn by the Cazonci. This outfit may be part of a ceremonial dance or more likely what would be worn for war. Nevertheless, it is included here. He wears a tunic or cicuilli with an opening at the front. The hem of the cicuilli is decorated with feathers. Underneath this he wears cotton armor called an ehuatl in Nahuatl. His headdress is composed of quetzal feathers and a jaguar skin headband. He carries a quiver of jaguar skin and bracelets of the same furs (which also work as bracers for his bow). His necklace is of turquoise beads. He carries deer hooves with copper bells wrapped around his calves. His bow is specially designed with encrusted emeralds for the ruler.

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Final notes:

-The P'urépecha's uniqueness in culture can clearly be seen in their fashion when compared to other Mesoamerican peoples. The males wear a hip cloth, not a loincloth; the females where a short skirt with no top, as opposed to huipils and medium-full length skirts. Even the checkered designs on their clothes is unique. So the question arises where/how did this unique fashion develop and why are they the only Mesoamericans to wear such garments. One theory is that they're people may have some ancestry shared with people that came from South America - or perhaps at least had extensive trade with them. Specifically, from the Manabi Provincial coast of Ecuador. If such a migration took place it would have occurred along the Pacific coast. The closest other Mesoamerican link in terms of clothing can be found in Nayarit in figurines from Ixtlán del Río (Anawalt, 1998).

But these are over 1000 years before the P'urépecha. At an even earlier time period however, in Ecuador, figurines with similar clothes appears in the Manabi Province. Similarities around the same time as the clothes from Ixtlán del Río also occurs in the Los Esteros site in Ecuador. Even the clothes checkered pattern of Ixtlán del Río and later the P'urépecha appears in Ecuador in examples from the Guangala-Manteña phase (700-800) and the Milagro-Quevedo phase (400-1500's). Obviously P'urépecha style clothing was popular and older in the Andean Cultures (checkered patterns also occur in Inca tunics). And because P'urépecha style clothing does not occur anywhere else, in any time of Mesoamerica there is a strong suspicion that the style originated from Ecuador. (ibid.) Similar clothes also appears on a site on the Pacific coast of Panama (a stopping point between Ecuador and Mesoamerica?). It is also interesting to point out that their language has some similarities with Quechua spoken among the Andean cultures of South America. Furthermore Spanish documents indicate that strange traders from faraway lands came to trade in the ports of Zacatula. Migrations from people in North America and South America into Mesoamerica was not unusual. In fact, only recently are scholars beginning to understand the complex movements of peoples moving throughout the Americas to settle and/or trade with one another by land and sea.
-Alternate theories of their origin place them as possibly coming from Veracruz. Although this is very unlikely given the above reasons. Another is that they came with the Nahuatl migrations from the north, but again this is also very unlikely.
-The Guatápperio where the Royal women lived, is also nowadays the name where maidens who serve the Virgin Mary live in. Only now this place is called the Guatapera.
-Due to being limited by one document with illustrations to refer to, it should be noted that this probably does not represent all the fashion, but it does provide a basic understanding of it.

Sources:

--Anawalt, Patricia Rieff. 1998. They Came to Trade Exquisite Things Ancient West Mexican-Ecuadorian Contacts.Ancient West Mexico Art and Archeology of the Unknown Past, 233-242.
--Anawalt, Patricia Rieff. 1990.Indian Clothing Before Cortes: Costumes From the Codices.
--Bernardino de Sahagún. 1590.Florentine Codex: General History of the Things of New Spain. (vol 10) trans. Charles E. Dibble and Arthur J. O Anderson. (1950-1982).
--Corona Nuñez, José. 1958. Relaciones geográficas de la diocesis de Michoacán 1579-80. Colección "Siglo XVI"
--Jerónimo de Acalá. 1540. Relación de Michoacán
--Stone, Cynthia L. 2004. In Place of Gods and Kings: Authorship and Identity in the Relación de Michoacán.


For those that are curious, there is a Mexican film about the Spanish conquest of the P'urépecha told from their perspective and spoken mostly in P'urépecha. It has a lot of symbolism and I recommend you read up a bit more to get some of the references, but all in all it is pretty good. Note, the clothing in the film is not too accurate, but it is good enough. It follows the Princess Erendira I mentioned in the description above. It is called Erendira Ikikunari (Erendira the untamable). It is low budget but it beats a lot of the other films that deal with this time period in Mesoamerica (or Pre-Hispanic Mesoamerica in general).

If you want to use these for references feel free but let me know and give credit please! DL for full view.

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ThesaurusRex84 [2024-07-12 01:41:49 +0000 UTC]

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SexKingdomIncaAztec [2024-06-28 00:11:01 +0000 UTC]

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DarthGojira [2022-11-19 02:14:13 +0000 UTC]

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MestreTartaruga [2015-02-25 01:04:14 +0000 UTC]

I once read that there was some speculation (whilst "educated speculation", speculation still) that the use of "tunics" among males and practice of bronze metalwork could point out to a South American origin, since there are some points in common with some peruvian cultures.

As I said: speculation.

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Kamazotz In reply to MestreTartaruga [2015-03-12 17:04:26 +0000 UTC]

I read that as well. Personally, I think it's very possible and it's what I tend to lean towards. Perhaps with a mix of the local Chichimec groups.

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MestreTartaruga In reply to Kamazotz [2015-03-12 19:40:41 +0000 UTC]

That does make sense. The coastal peoples of Peru and Ecuador had a fairly advanced seafaring technology. Maybe a small number of south americans would be able to leave a significant mark while, at the same time, migling in the local culture.

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darklord86 [2014-08-16 06:33:58 +0000 UTC]

Wow, I love this!

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Kamazotz In reply to darklord86 [2014-08-22 22:44:14 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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darklord86 In reply to Kamazotz [2014-08-23 20:50:52 +0000 UTC]

No problem!

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TheSax66 [2014-07-30 18:14:17 +0000 UTC]

It is suspect that the P'urepecha would have had the resources or  the logistical support to carry out a succesful invasion of the Aztec Empire. The fact that they were not able to capitalize on Axayactls defeat or on subsequent conflicts against Ahuizotl, not to mention their seemingly exclusive investment on defensive strategems, shows a stark unwillingness to expand in decididly Mexican territory.
Axayactls defeat was a product of extreme arrogance but, however humiliating, still caused massive difficulties to the purepecha state, so much so, that while full on invasions never occurred, incursions and small surrounding conquests were unavoidable. They slowly surrounded and planned on choking the P'urepecha empire, very much similar to the Tlaxcaltec state.
It might not have been difficult to resist by the P'urepechas though, but the Mexica had a 400,000 sized army ready at their disposal, making a counter offensive, much more a crushing counter offensive, almost impossible.

Had the Spaniards not arrived, I think the borders between the 2 empires would have remained largely the same, with increasing conflicts and an eventual full on conflict sparked by the Aztecs rather than the P'urepecha, moreso if the Mexica succesfully invaded Guatemala or any other incursion into mayan territory had flooded them with riches.

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Kamazotz In reply to TheSax66 [2014-08-01 21:11:14 +0000 UTC]

I think it would have remained similar had the Spaniards not arrived. Their was greater focus on putting down rebellions and conquering certain areas of Oaxaca. Also there were stations being set up in Xicalanco. Likewise, the P'urepecha were busy with Colima and taking back their pacific coast. Guatemala would not have been easy to conquer for the Aztecs though. It was very divided, and I know that the Aztecs gave away two daughters from Moctezuma to K'iche lords to create an alliance some time in the early 1500s. It would certainly be interesting though, because I know that next to the K'iche were the Pipil, who were nahuas that spoke a language similar to the Aztecs. And they were enemies of the K'iche. It would have been interesting to see who the Aztecs would side with. 

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TheSax66 In reply to Kamazotz [2014-08-01 21:56:54 +0000 UTC]

As far as I remember, the Kiche were on the losing side of the deal, after a short and unsuccesful conflict against the Aztecs, they were more tributaries than allies. The consolidation over the control of the soconusco are my main concerns regarding a possible expansion into Guatemala, I would imagine that the Kakchiqueles or the Tzotzil would not have been able to put up any concise resistance, at least with Kiche supporting the Aztec troops in the region. Hard to say if they would confronted the Pipil in the very same campaign.
 Though I guess it could go either way, Moctecuhzoma would probably have not let the Zapotecs get away with repelling his army. I don't know how viable an encroachment into the Yucatan would play out though, any source for that?

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Kamazotz In reply to TheSax66 [2014-08-02 19:17:57 +0000 UTC]

Yes, it was a tributary status they had. Though I don't believe that the Aztecs and K'iche had any direct military engagements. Only they lost some territory they had conquered in the Xoconochco region when Ahuizotl invaded. According to Duran the people of Xoconocho offered to aid Ahuizotl in further conquests east, but he refused because his soldiers were exhausted from fighting and so far away from home. The Tzotzil I think were conquered, but not in the sense that they needed to send the Aztec tribute, but I believe it was to allow their soldiers safe passage through their territory. The Pipils were in the south, near the pacific coasts and were in an alliance with the Mam and Tzutujil. They were enemies to the Cakchiquel and K'iche, though these two were also at war with each other.

About Xicalanco - I read it here www.amazon.com/Aztecs-Edition-… (pg 200) but I recall reading it somewhere else in one of my books. I am not sure if it was a military campaign that was planned for the Yucatan. But it was a place that housed Pochteca and they had warehouses there and in nearby Cimatan.

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TheSax66 In reply to Kamazotz [2014-08-22 23:52:46 +0000 UTC]

Nice, thanks for the link.

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samo19 [2013-11-06 17:32:47 +0000 UTC]

tu trabajo es de una gran calidad y con  una informacion sorprendente, muchas gracias por compartirlo
te mando un gran saludo desde la ciudad de mexico

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Kamazotz In reply to samo19 [2013-11-08 18:57:57 +0000 UTC]

Muchisimas gracias, saludos!

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Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-02 20:25:58 +0000 UTC]

You're amazing! I had to join Deviant art just to see your stuff... do you have Central American fashions (I noticed a Pipil warrior) I am working on some cultural reconstruction of the healing traditions... as a curandera-in-training... I'm interested in seeing your take on non-Nahua or non-Nahoa and non-Mayan cultures... I would also love to post some of your stuff on FB... what's the best way to do that? Thanks! 

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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-03 19:23:04 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! Right now I am still in the process of collecting any information I can to make a proper reconstruction of more Central American peoples clothing. Well I also post my art on tumblr. dapart.tumblr.com/ Most of my stuff is there with the exception of the fashion outfits, though if you'd like I could post them there too.

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Xil-Amaat-li In reply to Kamazotz [2013-10-07 16:06:04 +0000 UTC]

Awesome! How do I get the Yucatan Set print and how much $$ is it?

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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-08 00:12:54 +0000 UTC]

To be honest you're the first to request a print of that. I'll get back to you on a price, but it'll probably would be somewhere between $5-10. Because of it's unusual size, I may have to rearrange the figures to fit a more standard rectangular frame that would be easier to print.

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Xil-Amaat-li In reply to Kamazotz [2013-10-10 07:15:06 +0000 UTC]

I would also love to get the text you wrote regarding your fashion design statement and research about that set... Thank u! Nacaimu!

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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-17 19:38:11 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I updated the text a bit in my recent tumblr post. I'm still editing and fixing the text of the other fashion sets before I post them. Would you mind if I split the Yucatan fashion set into two pages? Since there are so many figures they might look too small all in one.

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Xil-Amaat-li In reply to Kamazotz [2013-10-19 15:05:40 +0000 UTC]

It would break my heart if they were not all in one print.  I'm sorry, they just look so good together.  If you can't do it then I understand and I would like them anyways, but my preference is the one image... PS... if it makes it easier, you don't have to re-size it to make it fit a standard frame, I can get it frame it in any shape.  PS 2.  I would like to purchase a print of the Aztec midwife as well.  Thank u!

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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-25 23:31:16 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I'll do what I can. I think they can all fit, do you mind if I make the size a bit bigger? Like poster size? The text however, would have to be separate, since it's so big. I didn't intend for it to turn into an essay (and this is the brief version), but it is what it is. And yes, I can include the Aztec midwife separately.

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Xil-Amaat-li In reply to Kamazotz [2013-11-02 20:59:12 +0000 UTC]

Poster size, separate essay text .  Midwife print.  Awesome! My # is 617-710-9614 and my email is siramabajo@gmail.com Lemme know when it's ready and there's no rush on it at all... 

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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-11-05 00:58:53 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, will do, I'm doing prints for an upcoming show in SF in early Dec. so I may get it done along with my other prints in late Nov.

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Savachika [2013-06-07 17:52:16 +0000 UTC]

Incredible and very interesting story.

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Kamazotz In reply to Savachika [2013-06-11 00:31:54 +0000 UTC]

thank you!

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Sir-Aedan-McCromlech [2013-01-24 13:14:55 +0000 UTC]

I love it!! Son los primeros trajes de Puepechas que veo, que no sean de Lienzos o códices. Gran Trabajo

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Kamazotz In reply to Sir-Aedan-McCromlech [2013-01-24 20:00:20 +0000 UTC]

Ey gracias
Todavía me falta los vestimentos Tlaxcaltecas, Aztecas y los Mayas de Guatemala. Y cuando tengo mas tiempo subiré los últimos trajes de Yucatan.

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Sir-Aedan-McCromlech In reply to Kamazotz [2013-01-25 01:38:19 +0000 UTC]

Supeeer!!

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Aztecatl13 [2013-01-20 19:48:17 +0000 UTC]

WHOA NUMBER 6 IS AWESOME

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Kamazotz In reply to Aztecatl13 [2013-01-21 20:27:04 +0000 UTC]

thanks

Tlaxcala is up next!

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Aztecatl13 In reply to Kamazotz [2013-01-21 22:04:16 +0000 UTC]

Yes!!!! So excited.

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Aztecatl13 [2013-01-20 19:47:54 +0000 UTC]

THATS AWESOME


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VNCITY [2013-01-19 21:11:19 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for sharing this

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Kamazotz In reply to VNCITY [2013-01-19 21:48:13 +0000 UTC]

Glad you enjoyed it!

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Raakone [2013-01-18 21:53:07 +0000 UTC]

This is interesting. Never herd of these people. Cool!

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Kamazotz In reply to Raakone [2013-01-18 23:29:29 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! Yes, despite their importance very little is known about them in comparison to other people like the Aztec and Maya.

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Sarkananight [2013-01-18 21:38:42 +0000 UTC]

Wow, that's a whole lot of information you've got there!! And I, who almost know NOTHING about the P'urépecha, find it VERY interesting!!

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Kamazotz In reply to Sarkananight [2013-01-18 23:35:38 +0000 UTC]

Glad you found it interesting! Yea I ended up reading a lot about them. I've been sick the last couple days so since I stayed home I went through a lot of books lol. You should include a P'urepecha character in your story, maybe like a visitor.

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Sarkananight In reply to Kamazotz [2013-01-19 09:40:35 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!! Hmm.. yeah I guess it's a lot easier for you to find books about Mesoamerican cultures - In Europe it's a lot harder, unfortunately

Oh yes! I would not be that hard to punch a little P'urepecha into the story.

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Kamazotz In reply to Sarkananight [2013-01-19 21:23:02 +0000 UTC]

Well most of the books I got I bought online...so maybe it won't be too hard for you to find them. It just takes a while since the books can be expensive. If you'd like (since I have a lot in pdf form) I can upload some for you to download.

Nice
btw if you're curious on hearing what P'urepecha sounds like or want to see the movie I mentioned in the description heres a link of it I found to watch online. [link]

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Sarkananight In reply to Kamazotz [2013-01-20 12:26:15 +0000 UTC]

Hmm.. I may just have to search the right places
Would you do that for me!?? Wow, thanks a ton!!

Teehee, thanks for the link!

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Kamazotz In reply to Sarkananight [2013-01-21 20:22:57 +0000 UTC]

Haha well I've actually been asked if I could share my sources from a bunch of people before and so I've been meaning to do so for a while. I just need a good site to upload the books. Ill send you a note when I do.

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Sarkananight In reply to Kamazotz [2013-01-21 20:34:08 +0000 UTC]

Yay, thanks!
And I just have a little question; was it usual for the P'urepechas to be fishermen?? 'Cause I was thinking of making the P'urepecha a fisherman...

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Kamazotz In reply to Sarkananight [2013-01-21 22:39:41 +0000 UTC]

Yes most of them who were not nobles and/or warriors were fisherman and farmers.

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Sarkananight In reply to Kamazotz [2013-01-21 22:42:08 +0000 UTC]

Okay, good to know, thanks!!^^

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