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MestreTartaruga [2015-02-25 01:04:14 +0000 UTC]
I once read that there was some speculation (whilst "educated speculation", speculation still) that the use of "tunics" among males and practice of bronze metalwork could point out to a South American origin, since there are some points in common with some peruvian cultures.
As I said: speculation.
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Kamazotz In reply to MestreTartaruga [2015-03-12 17:04:26 +0000 UTC]
I read that as well. Personally, I think it's very possible and it's what I tend to lean towards. Perhaps with a mix of the local Chichimec groups.
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MestreTartaruga In reply to Kamazotz [2015-03-12 19:40:41 +0000 UTC]
That does make sense. The coastal peoples of Peru and Ecuador had a fairly advanced seafaring technology. Maybe a small number of south americans would be able to leave a significant mark while, at the same time, migling in the local culture.
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darklord86 [2014-08-16 06:33:58 +0000 UTC]
Wow, I love this!
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TheSax66 [2014-07-30 18:14:17 +0000 UTC]
It is suspect that the P'urepecha would have had the resources or the logistical support to carry out a succesful invasion of the Aztec Empire. The fact that they were not able to capitalize on Axayactls defeat or on subsequent conflicts against Ahuizotl, not to mention their seemingly exclusive investment on defensive strategems, shows a stark unwillingness to expand in decididly Mexican territory.
Axayactls defeat was a product of extreme arrogance but, however humiliating, still caused massive difficulties to the purepecha state, so much so, that while full on invasions never occurred, incursions and small surrounding conquests were unavoidable. They slowly surrounded and planned on choking the P'urepecha empire, very much similar to the Tlaxcaltec state.
It might not have been difficult to resist by the P'urepechas though, but the Mexica had a 400,000 sized army ready at their disposal, making a counter offensive, much more a crushing counter offensive, almost impossible.
Had the Spaniards not arrived, I think the borders between the 2 empires would have remained largely the same, with increasing conflicts and an eventual full on conflict sparked by the Aztecs rather than the P'urepecha, moreso if the Mexica succesfully invaded Guatemala or any other incursion into mayan territory had flooded them with riches.
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Kamazotz In reply to TheSax66 [2014-08-01 21:11:14 +0000 UTC]
I think it would have remained similar had the Spaniards not arrived. Their was greater focus on putting down rebellions and conquering certain areas of Oaxaca. Also there were stations being set up in Xicalanco. Likewise, the P'urepecha were busy with Colima and taking back their pacific coast. Guatemala would not have been easy to conquer for the Aztecs though. It was very divided, and I know that the Aztecs gave away two daughters from Moctezuma to K'iche lords to create an alliance some time in the early 1500s. It would certainly be interesting though, because I know that next to the K'iche were the Pipil, who were nahuas that spoke a language similar to the Aztecs. And they were enemies of the K'iche. It would have been interesting to see who the Aztecs would side with.
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TheSax66 In reply to Kamazotz [2014-08-01 21:56:54 +0000 UTC]
As far as I remember, the Kiche were on the losing side of the deal, after a short and unsuccesful conflict against the Aztecs, they were more tributaries than allies. The consolidation over the control of the soconusco are my main concerns regarding a possible expansion into Guatemala, I would imagine that the Kakchiqueles or the Tzotzil would not have been able to put up any concise resistance, at least with Kiche supporting the Aztec troops in the region. Hard to say if they would confronted the Pipil in the very same campaign.
Though I guess it could go either way, Moctecuhzoma would probably have not let the Zapotecs get away with repelling his army. I don't know how viable an encroachment into the Yucatan would play out though, any source for that?
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Kamazotz In reply to TheSax66 [2014-08-02 19:17:57 +0000 UTC]
Yes, it was a tributary status they had. Though I don't believe that the Aztecs and K'iche had any direct military engagements. Only they lost some territory they had conquered in the Xoconochco region when Ahuizotl invaded. According to Duran the people of Xoconocho offered to aid Ahuizotl in further conquests east, but he refused because his soldiers were exhausted from fighting and so far away from home. The Tzotzil I think were conquered, but not in the sense that they needed to send the Aztec tribute, but I believe it was to allow their soldiers safe passage through their territory. The Pipils were in the south, near the pacific coasts and were in an alliance with the Mam and Tzutujil. They were enemies to the Cakchiquel and K'iche, though these two were also at war with each other.
About Xicalanco - I read it here www.amazon.com/Aztecs-Edition-… (pg 200) but I recall reading it somewhere else in one of my books. I am not sure if it was a military campaign that was planned for the Yucatan. But it was a place that housed Pochteca and they had warehouses there and in nearby Cimatan.
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TheSax66 In reply to Kamazotz [2014-08-22 23:52:46 +0000 UTC]
Nice, thanks for the link.
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samo19 [2013-11-06 17:32:47 +0000 UTC]
tu trabajo es de una gran calidad y con una informacion sorprendente, muchas gracias por compartirlo
te mando un gran saludo desde la ciudad de mexico
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Kamazotz In reply to samo19 [2013-11-08 18:57:57 +0000 UTC]
Muchisimas gracias, saludos!
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Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-02 20:25:58 +0000 UTC]
You're amazing! I had to join Deviant art just to see your stuff... do you have Central American fashions (I noticed a Pipil warrior) I am working on some cultural reconstruction of the healing traditions... as a curandera-in-training... I'm interested in seeing your take on non-Nahua or non-Nahoa and non-Mayan cultures... I would also love to post some of your stuff on FB... what's the best way to do that? Thanks!
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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-03 19:23:04 +0000 UTC]
Thank you! Right now I am still in the process of collecting any information I can to make a proper reconstruction of more Central American peoples clothing. Well I also post my art on tumblr. dapart.tumblr.com/ Most of my stuff is there with the exception of the fashion outfits, though if you'd like I could post them there too.
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Xil-Amaat-li In reply to Kamazotz [2013-10-07 16:06:04 +0000 UTC]
Awesome! How do I get the Yucatan Set print and how much $$ is it?
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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-08 00:12:54 +0000 UTC]
To be honest you're the first to request a print of that. I'll get back to you on a price, but it'll probably would be somewhere between $5-10. Because of it's unusual size, I may have to rearrange the figures to fit a more standard rectangular frame that would be easier to print.
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Xil-Amaat-li In reply to Kamazotz [2013-10-10 07:15:06 +0000 UTC]
I would also love to get the text you wrote regarding your fashion design statement and research about that set... Thank u! Nacaimu!
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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-17 19:38:11 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I updated the text a bit in my recent tumblr post. I'm still editing and fixing the text of the other fashion sets before I post them. Would you mind if I split the Yucatan fashion set into two pages? Since there are so many figures they might look too small all in one.
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Xil-Amaat-li In reply to Kamazotz [2013-10-19 15:05:40 +0000 UTC]
It would break my heart if they were not all in one print. I'm sorry, they just look so good together. If you can't do it then I understand and I would like them anyways, but my preference is the one image... PS... if it makes it easier, you don't have to re-size it to make it fit a standard frame, I can get it frame it in any shape. PS 2. I would like to purchase a print of the Aztec midwife as well. Thank u!
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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-10-25 23:31:16 +0000 UTC]
Ok, I'll do what I can. I think they can all fit, do you mind if I make the size a bit bigger? Like poster size? The text however, would have to be separate, since it's so big. I didn't intend for it to turn into an essay (and this is the brief version), but it is what it is. And yes, I can include the Aztec midwife separately.
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Kamazotz In reply to Xil-Amaat-li [2013-11-05 00:58:53 +0000 UTC]
Thanks, will do, I'm doing prints for an upcoming show in SF in early Dec. so I may get it done along with my other prints in late Nov.
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Savachika [2013-06-07 17:52:16 +0000 UTC]
Incredible and very interesting story.
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Sir-Aedan-McCromlech [2013-01-24 13:14:55 +0000 UTC]
I love it!! Son los primeros trajes de Puepechas que veo, que no sean de Lienzos o códices. Gran Trabajo
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Aztecatl13 [2013-01-20 19:48:17 +0000 UTC]
WHOA NUMBER 6 IS AWESOME
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Aztecatl13 In reply to Kamazotz [2013-01-21 22:04:16 +0000 UTC]
Yes!!!! So excited.
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VNCITY [2013-01-19 21:11:19 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for sharing this
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Kamazotz In reply to VNCITY [2013-01-19 21:48:13 +0000 UTC]
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Raakone [2013-01-18 21:53:07 +0000 UTC]
This is interesting. Never herd of these people. Cool!
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Kamazotz In reply to Raakone [2013-01-18 23:29:29 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! Yes, despite their importance very little is known about them in comparison to other people like the Aztec and Maya.
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Sarkananight In reply to Kamazotz [2013-01-21 22:42:08 +0000 UTC]
Okay, good to know, thanks!!^^
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