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Description The great Vishnu sits with in his creation, surveying all that is beneath his control and maintaining the great cosmos in deep meditation. His deep thought is broken by something new, a presence in his universe, one that had not been of his doing, one that had a certain sense of mystery to it, one that was contacting him...this intrigued the being. The Vishnu meets with the being, his form is that of a young western man, with rich brown hair and a reasonable color to his skin, he wore a very fine suit for a business meeting, his eyes concealed by a set of shades and he walked with a cherry red cane under his arm, the handle in the shape of a silver dragon. Vishnu steps forth and says "welcome to my kingdom, I am the Vishnu, he who sustains the universe, and who might you be my fine fellow?", the man smiles and says "my name is Lucifer Morningstar, the light bringer, I am here to approach you with a proposition", Vishnu simply raises an eye brow and asks "well the, what is it you wish of me, Lucifer?", Lucifer materializes a rolled up contract and says "read and it will all become clear". Vishnu reads over the paper, hands it back to Lucifer and says "I'm sorry, but I don't think I will take you up on this offer, this 'Yahweh' fellow has yet to display any of the villainous actions towards me that your contract spells out...besides, I will not serve you, now begone". Vishnu turns, but soon finds a sword blade at his throat, he turns his head and sees Lucifer holding the blade instead of his cane from before as he says "come now, I implore you to sign on, the benefits are quite tempting...don't you agree?", Vishnu vanishes and reappears several light years away....but Lucifer has traveled with him, his blade still at Vishnu's throat. Vishnu pushes the sword away and says "Lucifer, the offer in this contract give me ownership of so called "multiverses" that you stand to win in defeated this 'Yahweh'...you wish to convince me that there is an existence beyond my scope...you have apparent knowledge of me....tell me, how can there be anything beyond a transcendent creator of all you see?", Lucifer's grin grows into a cocky, confident smile "before today, you didn't even know I existed, yet I was there before you even came into being, long ago when you first rode Ananta in this vast ocean", vishnu contemplates what this being has stated.
Lucifer continues with "so, please join me, lord Vishnu, or I will have the unfortunate duty of making an example of you", Vishnu lets out a loud sign and Lucifer is pierced by a large blade, the light bringer stares down at the wound and lifts an eye brow before he is thrown across the universe as he crashes into a massive mountain. Lucifer digs himself out and looks to behold Vishnu and Kali approaching before a massive meteor buries him, Brahma then proceeds to weave him into place as the three come back together and say in their tri-voice "Lucifer, we are all one and the same, the universe is us and we will not allow you to harm the universe, you will be dealt with before you can attempt to destroy all....assuming you even possess that power." the trinity put a small bit of cockiness in that last statement and are staggered as the whole of the universe seems to shake at the release of a booming bestial roar.
Lucifer tears off the weaving holding him in place and casts his glasses aside, reveal a set of burning fires in his sockets as calmly says "now, now, now, little 'god', we were both to be acting with a reserve of decency towards each other, you have declined such decency...now, I shall also drop my decency, you are but gnat compared to me, I take this form to converse with you in a pleasant manner, but you just don't seem to want to go silently...you will bow to me....now, you won't respond to this form, how will you handle my true form....". Lucifer closes his eyes and behind him a set of massive draconic wings, Vishnu's expression doesn't change as the pressure of Lucifer's presence increases, a second set of draconic wings erupt beneath the first, Vishnu raises an eyebrow as the pressure becomes so great that he must push back against it, a third set forms beneath the second, the pressure cause Vishnu to stand hard against it. Lucifer says "what's wrong? finding it hard to stand in my presence? then I must inform you *his voice shifts to a echoing tone* I'm just getting started", a truly titanic set of fiery draconic wings form behind the original six and another set unfold beneath those wings, the pressure Vishnu feels is as overwhelmingly powerful as he is, but he refuses to yield. Lucifer looks at the god and snickers before saying "will you bend to my will?", Vishnu roars "never!!!!" and shakes the universe, Lucifer's eyes turning into swirling black fire as he says "then you shall break", he growls and roars as the largest set of wings yet erupts, the wings are covered with in dark feathers, each leading into an infinite abyss of a maddening sound of flapping blades, Lucifer then cackles madly as his head sprouts ten blood soaked horns, his ribs rip their way out of his body and touch together and expanding in a shining white cuirass, his skin turns a dark flowing red color as his face deforms into a demonic dragon's face as his head multiplies into seven heads and his necks extend, his hands and feet forming into sword like talons, his muscles swelling and a massive tail sprouts as he grows and grows and grows in size, his form touch the limits of the infinite kingdom of Vishnu, he opens his massive maw,revealing an infinite set of rolling teeth as he says "I am Lucifer Morningstar, this is my true form, little Vishnu and you will bow to me!!!!!!".
Lucifer raises his foot and brings it crashing down, Vishnu dashes backwards away from the beast. Lucifer gives chase, Vishnu dodging backwards from each crashing foot, Vishnu stops dodging and draws all the stars from the sky and forms a universe spanning spear and hurdles it at Lucifer, who meets the spear head on with the point of his tail, shattering the spear. Vishnu takes advantage of the momentary lapse in Lucifer's attention and sets the universe a blaze, destroying it, turning the greatest intensity of his power on the fallen angel.
The smoke clears and there is no trace left of Vishnu's would be attacker, he takes a deep breath and reforms the vast ocean and awaits Ananta to carry him into the next world.
analysis:

"hahahahahahahahahaha, that was cute, little god", Vishnu spins around to see his serpent torn in twain and being devoured by two of Lucifer's heads. Vishnu sets on him again with flame, boiling the ocean away, but Lucifer sets upon the universe with a freezing assault, snuffing out the flame and dropping Vishnu to his knees in freezing pain, Lucifer then lashes him with his claws, separating Vishnu into his many component entities before he shatters them all, leaving Vishnu all alone. Vishnu looks up at the fallen king, Lucifer then raises all seven heads and bellows "do you bow to me!?!?!?!", Vishnu simply says "never" and Lucifer sets on him with all his heads and darkness overtakes the universe. "mwuahahahahaha!!!!"
analysis:
This one was a hard fight to call when I was first digging into the two, Vishnu is described as the omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent being of his creation and Lucifer is attributed said characteristics so long as his is unopposed by a certain two entities and one of those entities is debated whether or not he (Michael) can oppose him. It took two major points to swing this fight in the favor of the devil himself:
1. comparing his fellow supernaturals: in the Abrahamic cosmology, more than a few entities have implied omnipotence/ reality warping power that is all held in check by a climbing latter of priority in that those higher on the ladder are above the influence of those on lower steps of the latter and can use their full omnipotence on them, with the only exceptions being those on the same steps but differences in power, but the golden rule is that God is so high on the latter that he is above it all. The evidence behind this is the angels like the cherubim are capable of using flaming swords that spin in all directions at once and their true form being lethal to humans. More reasoning on this is the Seraphs, "the burning ones", their power is so great that the flames they are comprised of can sear anything less powerful than them (other angels included) from existence itself (as in no afterlife, no reincarnation, body,soul,karma,mind, what ever is all removed at once) if nothing keeps it in check (the seraphs themselves, higher angels, God), the closest thing in Hindu is (I'm going on the sect that holds Vishnu as the highest power to give Vishnu the best fighting chance) one of the facets of the supreme being able to breath fire that can destroy the cosmos, but this still leaves the components of the reincarnation cycle, so it stands to reason that something that can complete erase you just by existing is more powerful than something that can destroy you but you come back when it's using slight(and I mean slight) effort. Lucifer is so powerful that he actually is important (as an evil force), so imagine something that is to the seraphs what the seraphs are to us. This ability to trump other omnipotent users gives me reason to suspect that Lucifer can overpower his opponent.
2. territory size: amended,(wasn't feeling good when I wrote this part, so I'm fixing it), both are powerhouses to who can affect mutliverses, be the many worlds that vishnu holds sway over to the many houses of heaven that Lucifer waged war in, so no real advantage on either side here.
3. sum up: Lucifer has to take on other reality controllers that are not facets of him on multiple occasion and his battles are on a larger scale. In the end, Vishnu was fighting someone who was way outside of his weight class. I know some might not like me giving Lucifer the win for a multitude of reasons from either thinking I nerfed Vishnu to finding it sacrilegious to hand Satan a win, but in the end, hate as much as you will, sometimes you just got to give the devil his due.
suggested this fight.
Next fight: I'm breaking my own rules for this one fight.
The patron saint of collateral damage and the king of the monsters takes on the god of all lawful goody two shoes dragons: Godzilla vs Bahamut.
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Comments: 487

DefenderOfDharma [2017-12-08 06:38:56 +0000 UTC]

Lol you guys haven't even proven that how any other myth or fictional verse is equal or greater to the hindu myth. I've provided enough of evidence to support my claims. unlike you people who didnt post any verse from ur scriptures or any scriptures to support your claims. how bad and sad (not for me) Mahavishnu (Devanāgarī  : महाविष्णु) is an aspect of Vishnu , the Absolute which is beyond human comprehension and is beyond all attributes. In Gauḍīya Vaishnavism , a school of Vaiṣṇavism , the Sātvata-tantra describes three different forms, or aspects, of Vishnu as Mahavishnu, Garbhodakśayī-Viṣṇu  and Kṣīrodakaśāyī Vishnu . The term Mahavishnu is similar to Bhraman  and Almighty Absolute Supreme Personality of Godhead . This means that the Absolute truth is realized first as Brahman (impersonal aspect) then as Paramatma (personal aspect) and finally as Bhagavan  (incarnate perfection). So bhakti  (loving devotion) goes to Bhagavan, Krishna  or Rama for instance (avatars or incarnations of Vishnu, Narayana ). In this way, bhakti surpasses even yoga, which is aimed at the Supersoul, Paramatma. Mahavishnu is the Supersoul of all living beings (jivaatmas) in all material universes. It is also often used interchangeably with Vishnu to indicate reverence, as the prefix "Mahā" exalts the noun to which it is attached. It is believed that Adi Parashakti has been created by Maha Vishnu to maintain the Material Universe. So Parashakti is working under the direction of Maha vishnu. So all the Gods including Shiva , Parashakti, Brahma are considered as the Part of Maha Vishnu Expansion.[citation needed]

Mahavishnu is said to lie in the causal ocean or the Karanodak. He puts the seed of this material universe in Mahāmāyā by glancing at her. Mahāmāyā remains the ever obedient material energy of the Supreme Lord. All the natural elements including sky, fire, water, air and land are created along with mind, intelligence and false ego.

After this, Mahavishnu enters each of the many universes so created (seeds emerging from the pores of His skin) as Garbhodaksayi Vishnu , who lays down in each and every of these individual material universes (Brahmandas). It can be interpreted that Garbodakshayi Vishnu is the collective soul of all souls in a particular material universe and that Mahavishnu is the collective soul of all souls in all of the material universes.

From Garbhodaksayi Vishnu  then emerges Brahmā  who is the secondary creator (due to his need to meditate to create planets in the material universe) of the planetary systems within particularly this material universe (Brahmanda ). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavish… << he's only an apsect of Vishnu or narayana enough said! mahavishnu solo's other myths and fictions with utter-ease

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Knightnumber4 In reply to DefenderOfDharma [2017-12-08 18:36:20 +0000 UTC]

This is you "look, multiversal creation and nigh omnipresence, lol, totes solos everything"

Lucifer unmakes parabrahama with his mere presence

"WAAAAAAAH"

Seriously, your using filler to make your posts look intelligent and hide the main point, but I found it, so tough luck.

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DefenderOfDharma In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-11 22:11:26 +0000 UTC]

lol i havent seen lucifer owning anything with his presence alone. nor he's been stated to be the absolute truth. brahman or parabrahma's absolute truth the 1 without any second. and everything else which has a name, form, karma (action) is nothing but illusion to him. if lucifer does act therefore he already doesn't exist to para-brahma.  he loses to brahma automatically. 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to DefenderOfDharma [2017-12-14 00:06:20 +0000 UTC]

Check other post, you brain dead dindu.

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DefenderOfDharma In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-17 12:30:54 +0000 UTC]

lol which post dumb posts of yours? dumbass jew-eww! 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to DefenderOfDharma [2017-12-18 02:52:26 +0000 UTC]

and the anti-semite shows itself.

edit: nigga, I'm a fucking catholic.

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VishnuSolos In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-26 20:55:17 +0000 UTC]

hahaha shove your filthy opinion up your arse cus u know nothing thediplomat.com/2015/02/china-… << this is india in 2050 ! india was leading before it will lead again!... no problem. haha bahamuth is a cosmic being? bitch varunadev who's a demigod of hinduism even hes omnipotent and omnipresent and there are much more powerful versions of him in other unknown universes. there are 33 major deities in hinduism and those 33 deities have infinite versions which are more powerful. brahma from our universe <<< brahma from a different universe <<<< brahma from another universe and this goes on till the eternity it never stops. varuna is the god of cosmic-ocean and there are infinite other varuna's which are way more powerful than varuna from our universe. www.asabharwal.com/varuna-the-… << read it over here you! haha www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0yJB_… what hanuman has shown is far greater than any angel or abrahamic being could ever accomplish. watch the video u bitch. hanuman defeated the god of time which's immemorial and eternal. time itself tried its hard to lock hanuman but hanuman came out by just chanting the word ''rama''..  this was when hanuman was a kid. kaaldev failed to omnilock hanuman because he's got omni-immunity...  karana ocean itself is an omniverse and there are greater omniverses which greater mahavishnu's (aeons) create by just breathing out... apocrypha doesnt even mean what u r saying. according to your opinion only it's a conjunction of omniverses but which priest ever said that ? please enlighten me :/ you're over-wanking your religion... its really sad and hilarious as well ! the word apocrypha means ''false'' , ''bad'' etc its got nothing to do with any reality which has eternal omniverses in it. height of stupidity and over-wanking is beyond comprehension here. shrusti also means creation and creation = all-existence. so shrusti in sanskrit can even stand for all existence. veda.wikidot.com/srishti-and-p… << read it over here u moron.  please provide me when did any angel kill any immortal person? i'd like to read it up :/ stop over-trolling. im not an expert of bullshit religion which has several flaws this is why i dont know much about ur religion but whatever knowledge i've got about it is enough to expose ur bullshit ! u still haven't provided any source to back up the claim that lucifer travelled infinite depths bitch. u gave a verse but then i asked u to provide any source which u didnt.. so stop repeating urself and show me some evidence.. 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to VishnuSolos [2017-12-27 05:01:04 +0000 UTC]

1. 2015 article, man, thank god nothing changed between now and then and you've got more than one article cited.....wait, you don't? damn too bad.

2. there cannot be more than on omnipotent because being omnipotent means you have absolute power over everything, if something is equal to or greater than you...guess what? you aren't omnipotent. it's like saying "I'm stronger than everyone on earth" despite there being five people as strong as you and four stronger.

3. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocryph…

let me high light something for you, because your reading comprehension isn't too good.

Biblical apocrypha  is a set of texts included in the Latin Vulgate  and Septuagint  but not in the Hebrew Bible . While Catholic tradition considers the texts to be deuterocanonical , Protestants consider them apocryphal. Thus, Protestant bibles do not include the books within the Old Testament but have often included them in a separate section."

awww, too bad, guess all the apocryphal tales still count, like the revelation of moses. 

no buddy, the I said the apocrypha was a collection of books that are generally not included in the protestant bible. again, pay attention.

4. the only word I'm seeing is creation, nothing to do with omniverse and not even  anything accrediting the word srishti to being "a collection of infinite universes". your source did provide a nice little tidbit


"There are millions of Universes with millions of Planets, with living beings. This Planet Earth is simply a drop in the ocean of Planets."

infinity>millions

hell, our universe has more than a few million planets.

guess your own sources have the hindu universes as smaller than ours. sucks to be you.

5. "I WANT A SOURCE ON THE INFINITE DEPTH!!"!"!!"!"!"!"!"!"

uh, I already provided a source, it's in the book revelations....you know, that book at the end of the bible.

6. OMNI IMMUNITY...yeah, until something stronger than hanuman says "fuck you, you're not escaping".

7. CAN ANYTHING IN THE BIBLE KILL SOMETHING IMORTAL!?!?!?!!?

actually, yes, they can

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

mathew 10:28

there's also the entire jewish idea that any soul not saved will be destroyed......but christianity doesn't follow that idea, basically, the immortal component can be destroyed but the higher ups won't let it happen.

. "I'VE PROVEN I DON'T REALLY KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE THREE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS, BUT I CAN PROVE YOU WRONG"

you didn't know what falak was, you thought lucifer was the strongest angel, you keep trying to say the kabalah doesn't describe a creation with multiple layers of omniverses despite it flat out saying "God made this thing called the world, inside the world is five other things and in those is five smaller things and so on.....oh, God's infinite light made and infinite number of these but we'll break them up into four or five separate sets" and before you say it doesn't count, the book of latter day saint's confirms there are infinite worlds, you think the aprocrypha is something a priest wrote or said when it referes to an entire set of books that are considered the EU to the bible.

seriously, you've been wrong so many times, it's not even funny, just tap out mr. sock puppet and go back to shitting in the street.

gg, no re, vishnu still gets ass raped by angels.
 

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VishnuSolos In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-27 11:32:22 +0000 UTC]

Bitch u r bringing up different sects from bible and claiming it has infinite omniverses WTF. well then i can bring different sects from my 100's of other hindu-texts as well and claim hinduism has infinite omegaverses and beyond lol. i'll bring up all the sects, parvas, sections from puranas, mahabharat, ramayana, upanishads and can create my own imagination like that .WTF r u on about... apocrypha is a sect of bible i agree.. just cus a sect or chapter has something related to a universe or multiverse it doesnt mean that the sect is beyond multiverse ROFL. r u kidding me?... why dont u say bible is even beyond the kabbalistic table or creation xDD!!... stop making nonsensical claims over here. How's para-brahman beyond omnipotent beings? parabrahman has been stated to be the highest everywhere (highest omnipresent), and also the prowess of all powerful beings which means even saguna and nirguna brahma (impersonal and infinite brahmans) are aspects of para-brahma. this is why he's beyond omnipotence and omnipresence. omnipotent beings have feelings too. they create universes or omniverses with their thoughts like brahma and other beings who create multiverses with their thoughts, but parabrahman is the ultimate cus, it's the prowess of all powerful beings. all powerful beings have awareness too.. without awareness they wouldn't be able to create anything... they have awareness because of brahman / para-brahman. brahman is action (karma), reaction, time, beyond time, it's everything, nothing and beyond. when u r talking about brahman / parabrahman u r not talking actually talking about it at all.. so even using words like omnipotent, omnipresent etc would be like downplaying it. there are unlimited universes, they've used the word ''millions'' to refer ''unlimited'' or ''countless'' only.. i've already showed u several verses which claim hinduism has infinite universes which're unlimitedly large''.. there are infinite universes in karana ocean / mahatatva they're infinitely large but some have greater dimensions and realities..  like our universe is infinite too  but it only has 4 dimensions... in other universes there are more alot more than four dimensions... in krishna's omni-form, arjun witnessed 64-dimensions the rest of the dimensions he couldn't see.... it was impossible to know them. those dimensions can only be known after attaining liberation / moksha. media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/7/00…image.slidesharecdn.com/veda-t…qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-… < so IDK why u r cherry picking stuff from hinduism when many verses claim that the whole creation in hinduism is beyond our comprehensions... yes, hanuman will get defeated if it faces any stronger being from hinduism but no abrahamic being is strong enough to deal with him. dumbass kabbalistic table is universal it metaphorically discribes the string theory r u saying hinduism doesnt know about the sting theory?.. string theory is universal only... its about how our universe works but there are unlimited universes which are greater and have different realities and creations and dimensions... so kabbalistic table is only universal. it it metaphorically discribes the manifestations of kabbalistic god who is only on par with indra from our universe. not even close to other powerful indra's, and it also discribes the string theory metaphorically thats it. hindu texts already had the sting theory in their scriptures as well.. The main theme of the branch of the modern science ‘string theory’ is that – the physical universe we observe around in fact is not present around as it appears. But, due to the motion of the ‘strings’ as described in the ‘string theory’ in the modern physics the physical universe comes into being but, the physical universe present around is not present as it is. The matter [particles] in fact are not present around but, only due to the vibrating strings the matter [particles] and the universe comes into being.


This is in fact is represented by the ‘mayavad’ or the ‘illusion theory’ and this is propagated by the great sage ‘Adisankara’ around 2000 years back. According to his theory, the physical universe is an ‘illusion’ or it is just arises due to ‘maya’ or our ‘avidya’ or our ignorance but, there is NO universe at all in reality. In other words the universe is just an - ‘illusion’ - just like the presence of a ‘mirage’ in the deserts.


This same concept is present in the ‘Nataraj idol’.


The dance comes into being due to the motion of the different parts of the dancing lord. The dancing lord has different parts in him like – legs, hands, fingers, hairs etc,. These are all nothing but, the string-like parts. Due to the motion of these - string like parts – we come to see certain images, symbols and shapes in the dance or in the dancing lord we come to see certain images, which in fact come into being due to his moving parts. Due to the motion of different body parts the dance comes into being, as long as the motion is there the dance is there but when there is no motion there is NO dance at all.


This is the core concept in the string theory.Due to the vibrating strings the universe comes into being which [the universe] in fact is not there.


Only due to the motion of these strings the universe comes in to being and is ever changing and this is the case with the dancing lord too, the image we see always changes in the dance.


The implication is that the ‘string theory’ is symbolically represented in the ‘dancing lord’ the “Nataraj idol’ along with many other scientific facts. << the dance of shiva metaphorically discribes the string theory and u do realise there are many shiva's, brahma's indra's etc who are nothing compared to para-brahman. lol angels will get raped by vishwamithra only.. who'll create much powerful versions of them or will make them kill themselves easily... forget vishwamithra,  like i said abrahamic beings will get assraped by even DBZ chars who are nothing compared to the hindu-chars !!! thanks for letting me know how weak ass religion u over-wankers have how sad  

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Supera45 In reply to VishnuSolos [2017-12-27 23:09:27 +0000 UTC]

Also sorry no... an angel alone would assrape DBZ/DBS and even the vast majority of Anime and Manga combined. Yahweh even in regular Judaism has already created 1000 universes and Zeno only 12, so yeah do the math here. 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to VishnuSolos [2017-12-27 20:44:38 +0000 UTC]

Nigga, you already have been combining sects.

1.hanunam would see one angel and die from the sight.

2. Bitch, I'm just quoting YOUR sources.

3. I tend to combine new sects with older sects when newer sects REFERENCE older sects vs you combining the sects that hold each individual member of the trimitru as the supreme aspect of parabrahman or combining texts that hold lord vishnu was multiverse along side the story of krishna carrying him outside of his universe and vishnu FREAKS OUT at the sight of a multiverse...aw, bet you thought I didn't know about that, did you baby?


So, again, all of the hindu dindu gods would get ass raped by one angel, you anti-semetic bastard. This was never a fight, this was pest control, pajeet, now go back to shitting in the street.

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-27 23:05:34 +0000 UTC]

"This was never a fight, this was pest control, pajeet, now go back to shitting in the street." 

OMG That made me laugh so hard! Just looked up "pajeet" on google and I got this lol: www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFw5VY…

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-27 23:03:21 +0000 UTC]

Man showzilla, this guy doesn't really give up, does he? 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-12-28 03:19:47 +0000 UTC]

just remember, you can quote two opposing sects of hinduism, there's nothing wrong. quote the old testament apocrypha being referenced in the new testament, you is a goin to HELL.

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-30 05:05:06 +0000 UTC]

what does that have to do with my previous post?

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-12-30 21:37:39 +0000 UTC]

Making fun of dindu

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-30 22:15:38 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I know... so I wonder what wacky fun arguments he's going to come up with next. 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-12-30 23:30:57 +0000 UTC]

by this point, all he's got is "that doesn't count"

btw, I read over a lot of this quotes

boy howdy,
 

it says there is a universe made of seven layers that is built and destroyed an infinite number of times

if I was gonna be a dick, he's only got four universes.


but I'm not.

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-31 16:59:09 +0000 UTC]

what do you mean lol? 

Happy new year btw! 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2018-01-01 05:08:15 +0000 UTC]

I mean, by quoting exactly what he's posted. and happy new years

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2018-01-01 17:16:50 +0000 UTC]

so what you're saying is that showzilla is wanking his own hindu gods right? yeah I kinda agree, even though hindu gods are still top-tier compared to MOST other religions/myths in terms of power. 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2018-01-01 18:12:41 +0000 UTC]

yeah. it's definately got the northern native myths, the irish and a maybe buddism beat....but greek, abrahamic, maybe buddhism and maybe norse has it beat under the very base line assumptions. if we extrapolate everything to the max it can get to......Abrahamic andBuddhist mythology have it beat pretty soundly.

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2018-01-01 23:53:25 +0000 UTC]

wait how does Hinduism have Buddhism beat, yet Buddhism has Hinduism beat? I am not sure how Norse has Hinduism beat though, due to vast hax and scope of power coming from the latter. 

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2018-01-01 22:49:24 +0000 UTC]

oops bloody fucking hell... I meant to say Harshdeep or Vishnuu or DefenderOfDharma wanking his own religion's gods. Not you... damn my typo. 

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-19 04:24:48 +0000 UTC]

LOL.

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-12-27 05:01:16 +0000 UTC]

behold, the sock puppetry.

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-12-27 22:53:35 +0000 UTC]

Yup.

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VishnuSolos In reply to Supera45 [2017-12-26 21:08:12 +0000 UTC]

Recent satellite images and geological excavations have proved the existence of a ancient river in North India, with exactly the same features of river Saraswati described in the vedas and Mahabharatha! Today Saraswati is a dried up river today. Before Saraswati dried up, the present Rajasthan was a lush green area! The drying up of Saraswati created the Thar desert in Rajasthan. Even the current dry beds of Sindh and Baluchistan (currently in Pakistan) were lush green fertile lands before the Saraswati river dried up!

See Saraswati Darshan  for a related video and explanation

Why did the Saraswati river dry up? The plate tectonics of the Indian sub continental plate and the himalayan sources of this river are thought to be the main reason for that. Sutlej and Yamuna were the main sources of the Saraswati river. As the Indian plate moved up towards the main Eurasian plate, the course of Yamuna got altered in the Himalayas moving more water of Yamuna towards the Ganga river and that of Sutlej got altered to join Indus! This caused a major loss in terms of its water source for the river Saraswati and is thought to have been the cause for its drying up.

Now what does Saraswati river have to say about the Aryan Invastion theory of 1500 BC? Well, the geological excavations give a date of about 4000 BC for the drying up of Saraswati river !

Same Human Race

There are four primary human races in the world. They are Caucasian, Mongoloid, Australian and Negroid. The so called aryan and dravidian people both belong to the Caucasian race where people only get a bit darker as one moves towards the equator which is a natural phenomenon all over the world. More sunlight means more melanin pigment in the skin. As simple as that.
So if Aryan invasion is true then it means that the Caucasian race which first evolved and lived together, then got separated into Aryans and Dravidians and both moved geographies apart, and then became one by Aryans invading Dravidians! Is there any proof for this in AIT?

Why Aryan Invasion Theory?

Then why was the Aryan Invasion Theory created? Well, more than saying created, it was popularized and promoted by the British without investigating its merits and demerits because it suited their divide and rule policy in India. The same way they divided the Hindus and Muslims in India based on religion, they also divided the Indians using this theory as Aryans (North Indians) and Dravidians (South Indians). This was the politics behind this theory. Also read this  .

Conclusion

See what modern science and technology has to say about vedic science

In a nutshell, the ancient vedic people were settled in India much before 4000 BC and have nothing to do with the myth of 1500 BC invasion theory! There is no separate aryan or dravidian race. There is one single ancient Indian vedic race with roots IN INDIA. Indus valley civilization is NOT the most ancient Indian civilization. It was probably only a remnant civilization of an ancient Civilization that existed till the end of the Mahabaratha war. The most ancient Indian civilization was therefore the Saraswati valley civilization (or a Ganga-Yamuna-Saraswati civilization) of the vedic age.

Finally  read this link to look beyond my thoughts on this invasion that never really happened!

Only one among our great political leaders saw through the hollowness of the Aryan theory. B R Ambedkar who observed: “That the theory of the Aryan race set up by Western writers fails to the ground at every point goes without saying….Anyone who comes to scrutinize the theory will find that it suffers from a ‘double infection.’ He could clearly see the implications of such ill-founded hypotheses which colonial Indology imposed on India and which pro-british Indian scholars went on repeating ad nauseam. Being in british regime, eminent scholars pragmatic voice went unheard.

Need of Hour: Our Gods, especially Lord Krishna and Lord Rama should be given highest authority in history books, their teachings should be taught to all of us- their principles of mercy, love, brotherhood shown in Ramayan and Mahabharat should be included in our history books; giving importance to their positive and insightful life changing thoughts (proven theories), which will make all of us confident, positively inclined proud citizen of India and world. While revoking all false historical books which paint India as a backward and poor country in terms of its history and legacy as portrayed by british historians. One simple question if India was so poor and backward then why the hell these britishers came to this country with begging bowl while asking for doing business with us in the disguised purpose and name of East India Company.

Our Indian values are supreme and based on truth, honesty and dharm. Ancient India was pious. No one knew about corruption and loot before invasion of british. We got ourselves contaminated with their filthy thoughts. Today there is degradation of family values, tradition and cohesiveness. Due to our inclination towards western thoughts; we are facing social issues of coruption, rpe , loot, inter-family murd3rs.

Lets revert to our original culture which made our India soney ki chidiya and all Indians self-reliant, harmonious and peacemakers. We should abolish western education and culture which imparts competition among individuals. We should acknowledge cohesiveness and harmonious culture taught by Vedas. We should teach Vedic Science, Vedic Mathematics, Vedic Astrology, Vedic Cosmology and Vedic spirituality in our schools; which are flawless and timeless.

OM is at the core of Milky Way

The movement of celestial bodies are happening with speed of light and ultra-lights but still divine symbol  ॐ OM remains as it is at the core

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Supera45 In reply to VishnuSolos [2017-12-27 02:12:10 +0000 UTC]

Let's be honest: I'm your friend, Harshdeep, but is there any point in making new accounts just to keep coming here and spamming the same long walls of text about how "Hinduism is the greatest thing ever" on the comment section of Showzilla's deviantart work here?

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VishnuSolos In reply to Supera45 [2017-12-27 11:33:53 +0000 UTC]

lol not spamming but debunking some stupid-ass claims over here it's good to enlighten some people you know!... this dumbass loser showzilla keeps on banning me like a loser. he needs to know his place. he's not intelligent at all and he's over-wanking judeo christian lore which will get ass-raped by hanuman alone

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Supera45 In reply to VishnuSolos [2017-12-27 22:57:05 +0000 UTC]

If you still completely disagree with his verdict on Vishnu vs Lucifer, then I'm perfectly fine with that, but you're not going to really accomplish much in the long run by downplaying and insulting the Judeo-Christianity all the time when arguing with showzilla on this subject. And trying to write the same old walls of text over and over rubbing into our faces about how Hindu culture surpasses everything else combined isn't exactly going to reap you much profit either. 

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VishnuSolos In reply to Supera45 [2017-12-26 21:07:33 +0000 UTC]

Let us first see what the Aryan Invasion Theory says.

It calls the race which belonged to the vedic age as Aryans. It says that at around 1500 BC Aryans, (which it says was a tribe from the Europe) invaded north India plundering and pushing down the local Dravidians (who it says were the original natives of India) who lived there to down South India. In a nutshell, it says the North Indians of today belong to an Aryan race which came to India from Europe and today’s South Indians are the native Indians (called Dravidian Race!) who lived in North India before the Aryans came! The vedic people who lived in North India during the vedic ages were these Aryans, it says!

First let us see how did they arrive at these dates! It was well known in India in the british period that Vedas pre-dated Christ, since they definitely pre-dated Buddha who lived some 400 years before Christ. Some scholars(!) then said that as per Bible the world was created in 4000 BC(!), and Noah’s flood took place in 2500 BC(!). So they decided that Aryan Invasion of India must have taken place only after this flood and before Buddha, and hence would be around 1500 BC! This is the funniest investigation I have ever heard about. I doubt if anybody can dare to call this a scientific investigation! This is what some call as, adjusting history to be compliant with religious texts

Now let us see some of the obvious proofs that have thrown this theory into dustbin.

Aryan is not a race!

First of all Aryan is not a race. No where in the Vedas and other ancient Indian text is the terms Aryan used to refer to a race!! Aryan in Sanskrit means Gentleman. It is used in Sanskrit like how in English we use the term Mr, that s all about it!

Even Max Muller who initially termed Vedas as childish (only to be later criticized by other scholars as a person who did not knew even basic sanskrit!), later tried to correct himself in many occassions about the Aryan race! He said:

I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair, nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language to me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar. 
(Max Mueller, Biographies of Words and the Home of the Aryas, 1888, pg 120)

Dravidians was not a separate race!

The people of south India whom the Aryan Invasion theory says were the original natives, are NOT a race separate from the North Indians! They all belong to one and the same race. The ancient Indian vedic race. This is because, the languages of both, the so called Aryan and Dravidian people have their roots in Sanskrit language. Both worship the same Gods. Both have the same epics. Both have same philosophies. Both have histories which date back to thousands of BC.

Given these facts, how can then Aryans and Dravidians be two separate races? If Aryans had invaded India then why are Dravidians following the same customs and religion as aryans. How do they speak languages which originated from the same parental language?

Why dont any dravidian folk lore or ancient texts or sayings or stories or epics exist which talk about the so called Aryan invasion? Also why do the vedic texts talk about locations in South India? The Ramayana, Mahabharatha all talk about South Indian locations even below and beyond the main land of India into the Indian ocean like Srilanka! If Aryans were from europe and if they invaded North India and pushed local people down to South India, where did these locations come from?

There are thousands of incidences  in Vedas and Puranas where it’s mentioned that several Saints, Sages and Divine Gods travelled from/to and from North India and South India, vice versa. These include several meetings of Lord Murugan with Lord Shiva; he travelled from south to north India to meet him. Lord Murugan’s father Lord Shiva protected world and universes from demons abiding in Kailasha while he asked his son Lord Murugan to protect Southern India and his second son Lord Ganesha to protect Western India.

This proves beyond doubt that there do not exist any separate Aryan and Dravidian races. Instead natives of both North India and South India belong to one single race called the Vedic Indian race!

Genetical analysis done by genetic researchers and scientists also proved that Aryan Invasion theory  proposed by max Muller was false. Even Max Muller himself later remorsed and confessed that its wrong to call Aryan as race and so is ‘aryan invasion’.

No mention of Europe!

There is no mention of any location outside the mainland of India in any of the vedic texts! If aryans came from Europe, then why havent the so called aryans mentioned any of the european locations in any of the vedic or related texts? The farthest location away from India towards the west mentioned in the vedas is Kadhahar of present day Afghanistan, which was called Gandhar in the vedic texts and was said to be the kingdom of Shakuni.

Why haven’t any of the texts mentioned about their European locations? Why is there no vedic text which talks about migration from Europe?

No European Rivers!

None of the vedic texts talk about rivers outside India! Everybody knows that rivers were the major sources of water for all ancient civilizations and so all ancient civilizations were centered around the world’s major rivers. Why is there no mention of any European river or a river outside India anywhere in the vedic texts? Wouldn’t a race mention something or the other about its native place in at least one of its texts?

Saraswati River

This is a death blow to the Aryan Invasion theory. According to the Aryan Invasion theory the aryans who invaded India in around 1500 BC settled on the banks of Indus or Sindhu river in North India.

The vedic texts talk about Ganga Yamuna Saraswati as the trio river , the three great rivers of their age. Ganga and Yamuna rivers exist even today in North India and till sometime back Saraswati was thought to be a mythological river. But vedas talk about Saraswati as a mighty river that flowed in the north India during the vedic ages!

There is also the mention of the Ganga Yamuna Saraswati merging at a place called Prayag , which was also called the Triveni Sangam (the current Allahabad in North India where today only Ganga and Yamuna meet). It is said that the Saraswati that merged here with the other two rivers was a subterranean channel of the main river of Saraswati.

The Mahabhartha talks about Saraswati river saying that it dried up in a desert! So it has to be noted here that Mahabhartha can be dated back to the drying up of the Saraswati river!

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Supera45 In reply to VishnuSolos [2017-12-27 02:11:05 +0000 UTC]

Wait a minute, didn't you post this exact same long wall of text back when you were still DefenderOfDharma? 

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VishnuSolos In reply to Supera45 [2017-12-26 21:02:34 +0000 UTC]

Supera45www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gmL3_… <-- 300 mill yrs old garuda bell in 'USA which proves why hinduism is the most ancient. IK other religions have given us some scientific theory as well.. but they contain flaws too... they're imperfect like our modern day scientists who have invented alot of things yet they're not perfect likewise other religions have flaws too unlike sanatan dharma which is perfect. geeta, vedas and upanishads have no flaws in them. The only human race to follow Vedic practice. Hindus are only people who know ancient traditions, secrets and knowledge of pious spiritualism – how to live happily in harmony with nature and creatures.  Unlike other religious traditions, Hinduism does not originate in a single founder, a single book or a single point in time. It contains many different traditions, philosophies and viewpoints, not always consistent with each other but continuous or complement with each other. These apparent contradictions strike only those who are not familiar with this tradition: the Hindu insight claims that the Oneness expresses itself in many different forms.

Hinduism is often labelled as a religion (it is actually dharma, way of life not religion),  and more than that: it is a vast and complex socio-centric body which, in a way, reflects the complexity of Indian society. A rich geography, many languages and dialects, lots of different creeds, racial diversity, all these elements have shaped Hinduism and made it so open and liberal.The openness also paved path for emergence of new religions – Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Islam (reversing few Vedic concepts but sticking to Idol worship in mecca ) and Christianity (no coincidence of Jesus being shepherd, super lift off from life history of Bhagwan Krishna)

The lack of unifying overall religious authority and the total absence of a book claiming supreme truth and dogmas have contributed to the diversity of Hinduism as well. The many manifestations of Hinduism go from highly intellectual philosophies concerning numerous and puzzling metaphysical concerns, many rituals, mental and physical exercises such as Yoga to simple, historical tales and legends. 

Who is Hindu, What exactly is Hinduism. Why all living human beings born in this world are ethnically Hindu

And why every other religious text of the world construe somewhat similar meaning which is similar to at least one of the Vedic and Hindu scriptures. The answer is simple, comparison shows that some of the basic concepts of God and its origin is exactly enacted from internal phrases of Vishnu Puran, Srimad Bhagwatam and Bhagwad Gita. You take any religious text of the world right from Islam, Christianity to Buddhism. This is not coincidental; its because ancient Dharm (morality, way of living) is very fundamental principle of existence and being the only oldest religion ever known to mankind Hinduism is bound to influence all other follow-up religions. Later on britishers fabricated fake theories and enforced these in the Indian society  and education.

The only difference is that Supreme God of the universe, Lord Krishna never pushes threat on non-believers, Vedic scriptures are filled with historical tales where atheist and even asuras attained divine liberation after surrendering to Lord Krishna. These atheists and asuras were Hindus too by birth. Lord Krishna is the most merciful, lovable, approachable (yes He is you need to keep faith on him) God. Krishna is so innocent and pious to understand that he has made path to reach his consciousness simple and easy. You can think of him as your baby, kid, pati (aatma pati), devar, jeth, sakha, brother while surrendering yourself to him. Your present relationship in this material world are temporary and self inclined. The moment your wishes are not fulfilled by your near and dear ones, you lose love towards them.

The soulful relationship with Krishna is beyond this material world. Establishing relationship with Kanhaiya makes it easy to get closer to him. This openness, allowance and tolerance level of Supreme God suggests that he wants every human being to reach him making this world a replica of Vaikuntha Dham. The relationship that we establish with him is not materialistic but our souls converging to his pious soul. The aatmic (soul bound) relation is undying, selfless, timeless and divine. 

“Daya dharm ka mool hai

paap mool abhimaan”

Meaning: The core value of dharm (religion in today’s kaliyugi world) is forgiveness, clemency and core value of sin (anti-dharm or anti-religion) is selfish ego and pride.

Lord Krishna’s merciness is extension of this dharm mool that’s why surrendering to him is unison of our soul with his piousness. And whoever is born in this world bears soul to make the body work. This soul is nothing but a negligible fraction of parent soul of Lord Krishna. He is controller of everyone and everything in this world. Everyone born here is Hindu by birth. Our faith dharm help us in getting immersed in this parent soul of all. Lord Krishna preaches prem towards all living human beings who follow path of dharm. Lord Krishna is merciful, which is why he forgave 100 sins of shishupal, a Hindu by birth, he was warned not to cross limit of 100 sins but when shishupal didn’t listened and his ego made him cross the limit, Lord Krishna killed him with his sudarshan chakra.

Though Hindu dharm teaches tolerance, world unity and brotherhood, but after certain limit, if the anti-dharmic people’s sinful activities is causing disgrace to fundamental of dharm then like Lord Krishna, greatest preacher of dharm, a Hindu should also take step to teach lesson to such people who behave like shishupal.

Today dharm has enemy from within, ignorant lot of Hindus like shishupal, who think they are very intelligent, modern and forward looking following contaminated western thoughts. Some egoistic crooks questioning even the actual existence of God.

If we ask the question what is a Jew?, for example, the answer is: someone who accepts the Torah as their scriptural guide and believes in the monotheistic concept of God espoused in these scriptures. What is a Christian? – a person who accepts the Gospels as their scriptural guide and believes that Jesus is the incarnate God who died for their sins. What is a Muslim? – someone who accepts the Qur’an as their scriptural guide, and believes that there is no God but Allah, and that Mohammed is his prophet.

Who Is Hindu, What Is Hinduism

A Hindu is an individual who accepts as authoritative the religious guidance of the Vedic scriptures, and who strives to live in accordance with Dharma, God’s divine laws as revealed in the Vedic scriptures. Vedic scriptures transcends and explains in detail about soul, mind, chakras, body and existence of inter-dimensional world; which no other religion does . This divine overlapping of Vedic scriptures that defines our science, existence, way of living makes everyone a Hindu. Only Vedic scripts talks about soul and its transcendence in detailed manner. It gives information of highest order. No living human body can be composed without soul. Every living being comprises of this Hindu soul.

Hinduism teaches sarv dharm sambhav meaning every religion is same. The world’s existence relies on clemency, unity and brotherhood. This is core value of Hinduism. Hinduism teaches giving pranam (greeting) to each breath we are taking, by pronouncing ॐ OM.

Without taking breath no one can stay alive.  Its not only god that make us stay alive but taking breath every second keeps us alive. This god given universal sound OM is originator of all celestial planets. This is not just one thought, Hindu teachings are filled with more such insightful scientific theories. Pronouncing OM makes us tangent to the consciousness of Supreme God of the universe. No other religion teaches you such spiritual science. We can put OM piousness to test  and sanctify the positivity of OM, by pronouncing OM 21 times daily in the morning and we can feel the positive impact it gives us. Since we all human beings are born Hindus we can easily put our consciousness to the supreme soul. Any individual whether he is Islamic or practicing Christianity can chant OM. It is for the mankind not religion specific. Vedic scholars never got anything reserved in their closet because they believed in sharing knowledge to the mankind and not owning it for personal benefit. This is true culture of cohesiveness given to world from India. This should be embraced by the world unselectively. Unlike western thoughts of patenting even minor things and earning livelihood from it thereby creating unnecessary competition.

How To Pronounce ॐ: Ooooooo for 1 second…..AAAAAAA for 5 seconds…..MMMMMMM for 6 seconds.

How Vedic consciousness Influenced lives of all Humans in this world. Follow up Videos explain the same on Consciousness, Science and Maya.
Videos also explain how Hindu concepts always influenced all, protected them and taught them existence of mankind, making them all a Hindu too. The contents of Video is referred and acknowledged by the many scholars in the World.

You can connect your Hindu Soul with Hindu divine mantra OM ॐ

That ‘Hindu’ term is imported term is False Propaganda of Britishers

Hindu Term Is Oldest and Has Mention In Vedic References. Be Proud To be Called as a Hindu

Antiquity and Origin of the Term ‘Hindu’
By Dr. Murlidhar H. Pahoja

The anti-Hindu historians like Romila Thapar and D.N. Jha have opined that the word ‘Hindu’ was given currency by the Arabs in the 8th century. They however, do not explain the basis of their conclusion nor do they cite any evidence in support of their claim. Even Arab Muslim writers do not make such an extravagant claim.

Another theory propounded by European writers is that the word ‘Hindu’ is a Persian corruption of ‘Sindhu’ resulting from the Persian practice of replacing ‘S’ with ‘H’. Even here, no evidence is cited. In fact the word Persia itself contains ‘S’ which should have become ‘Perhia’ if this theory was correct.

The present paper examines the above two theories in the light of epigraphic and literary evidence available from Persian, Indian, Greek, Chinese and Arabic sources. The evidence appears to support the conclusion that ‘Hindu’ like ‘Sindhu’, has been in use since the Vedic age and that although ‘Hindu’ is a modified form of ‘Sindhu’, its origin lies in the Saurashtran practice of pronouncing ‘H’ in place of ‘S’.

Epigraphic Evidence

The Hamadan, Persepolis and Naqsh-I-Rustam Inscriptions of Persian monarch Darius mention a people ‘Hidu’ as included in his empire. These inscriptions are dated between 520-485 B.C. This fact establishes that the term ‘Hi(n)du’ was current more than 500 years before Christ.

Xerexes, successor of Darius, in his inscriptions at Persepolis, gives names of countries under his rule. The list includes ‘Hidu’. Xerexes was ruling between 485-465 B.C. On a tomb in Persepolis, in another inscription assigned to Artaxerexes (404-395 B.C.), there are three figures above which are inscribed ‘iyam Qataguviya’ (this is Satygidian), ‘iyam Ga(n)dariya’ (this is Gandhara) and ‘iyam Hi(n)duviya’ (this is Hi(n)du). The Asokan inscriptions (3rd century B.C.) repeatedly use expressions like ‘Hida’ for ‘India’ and ‘Hida loka’ for ‘Indian nation’.

‘Hida’ and its derivative forms are used more than 70 times in the Ashokan inscriptions. For instance in the Jaugadha, separate rock edict II, the lines 3 & 4, read:

All men are my people. I desire for my people that they may be provided with all welfare and happiness. I desire for my people, including the people of Hind and beyond and I desire for all men.

The Edict further, says in lines 7 & 8

Dhamma may be followed and the people of Hind and beyond may be served.

The Ashokan inscriptions establish the antiquity of the name ‘Hind’ for India to at least third century B.C.

In Persepolis Pahlvi inscriptions of Shahpur II (310 A.D.) the king has the titles shakanshah hind shakastan u tuxaristan dabiran dabir, “king of Shakastan, minister of ministers of Hind Shakastan and Tukharistan.”

The epigraphic evidence from the Achaemenid, Ashokan and Sasanian Pahlvi records puts a question mark on the theory about the term ‘Hindu’ having originated in Arab usage in the 8th century A.D. Literary evidence takes the antiquity of the word ‘Hindu’ back to at least 1000 B.C. and possibly 5000 B.C.

Evidence from Pahlvi Avesta

In the Avesta, Hapta-Hindu is used for Sanskrit Sapta-Sindhu, the Avesta being dated variously between 5000-1000 B.C. This indicates that the term ‘Hindu’ is as old as the word ‘Sindhu.’ Sindhu is a Vedik term used in the Rigveda. And therefore, ‘Hindu’ is as ancient as the Rigveda.

In the Avestan Gatha ‘Shatir’, 163rd Verse speaks of the visit of Veda Vyas to the court of Gustashp and in the presence of Zorashtra, Veda Vyas introduces himself saying ‘man marde am Hind jijad.’ (I am man born in ‘Hind.’). He also further introduces himself as ‘ Hindu’. Veda Vyas was an elder contemporary of Shri Krishna (3100 B.C.). Veda Vyas is also compiler of four Vedas which was originally  created by Lord Vishnu himself.

Greek Usage

The Greek term ‘Indoi’ is a softened form of ‘Hindu’ where the initial ‘H’ was dropped as the Greek alphabet has no aspirate. This term ‘Indoi’ was used in Greek literature by Hekataeus (late 6th century B.C.) and Herodotus (early 5th century B.C.), thus establishing that the Greeks were using this derivative of ‘Hindu’ as early as 6th century B.C.

The Hebrew Bible

The Hebrew bible uses ‘Hodu’ for India, which is a Judaic form of ‘Hindu’. The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is considered earlier than 300 B.C. Today’s Hebrew spoken in Israel also uses Hodu for India.

The Chinese Testimony

The Chinese used the term ‘Hien-tu’ for ‘Hindu’ about 100 B.C. While describing movements of the Sai-Wang (100 B.C.), the Chinese annals state that the Sai-Wang went towards the South and passing Hien-tu reached Ki-Pin.

Later Chinese travellers Fa-Hien (5th century A.D.) and Huen-Tsang (7th century A.D.) use a slightly modified term ‘Yintu’ but the affinity to ‘Hindu’ is still retained. This term ‘Yintu’ continues to be used till today Pre-Islamic Arabic Literature

Sair-ul-Okul is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry available in the Turkish library Makhtab-e-Sultania in Istanbul. In this anthology is included a poem by Prophet Mohammed’s uncle Omar-bin-e-Hassham. The poem is in praise of Mahadev (Shiva), and uses ‘Hind’ for India and ‘Hindu’ for Indians. Some verses are quoted below:

Wa Abaloha ajabu armeeman Mahadevo Manojail ilamuddin minhum wa sayattaru
If but once one worships Mahadev with devotion, One will attain the ultimate salvation.

Wa sahabi Kay yam feema Kamil Hinda e Yauman, Wa Yakulam na latabahan foeennak Tawajjaru. (Oh Lord grant me but one day’s sojourn in Hind, Where one can attain spiritual bliss.)

Massayare akhalakan hasanan Kullahum, Najumam aja at Summa gabul Hindu.
(But one pilgrimage there gets one all merit, And the company of great Hindu saints.)

The same anthology has another poem by Labi-bin-e Akhtab bin-e Turfa who is dated 2300 years before Mohammed i.e. 1700 B.C. This poem also uses ‘Hind’ for India and ‘Hindu’ for Indian. The poem also mentions the four Vedas Sama, Yajur, Rig and Athar. This poem is quoted on columns in the Laxmi Narayan Mandir in New Delhi, popularly known as Birla Mandir (Temple)

Some verses are as follows:

Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha minar Hinda e, wa aradakallha manyonaifail jikaratun. (Oh the Divine land of Hind, blessed art thou, thou art chosen land showered with divine knowledge.)

Wahalatjali Yatun ainana sahabi akhatun jikra, Wahajayahi yonajjalur rasu minal Hindatun. (That celetial knowledge shines with such brilliance, Through the words of Hindu saints in fourfold abundance.)

Yakuloonallaha ya ahlal araf alameen kullahum, fattabe-u jikaratul Veda bukkun malam yonajjaylatun. (God enjoins on all, follow with devotion, path shown by Veda with divine percept.)

Wahowa alamus Sama wal Yajur minallahay Tanajeelan, Fa e noma ya akhigo mutibayan Yobasshariyona jatun. (Overflowing with knowledge are Sama and Yajur for Man, Brothers, follow the path which guides you to salvation.)

Wa isa nain huma Rig Athar nasahin ka Khuwatun, Wa asanat Ala-udan wabowa masha e ratun (Also the two Rig and Athar(va) teach us fraternity, taking shelter under their lusture, dispels darkness.)

‘Hindu’ in Sanskrit Literature

Another doubt created by the modern day anglicized historian is that the term ‘Hindu’ is not found used in Sanskrit literature. This misconception can be dispelled by quoting from Sanskrit works15 : Meru tantra (es#rU (4th to 6th century A.D.), a Shaiva text, comments on ‘Hindu’.

Hindu is one who discards the mean and the ignoble.

The same idea is expressed in Shabda Kalpadruma.

Brihaspati Agam says,

Starting from Himalaya up to Indu waters is this God-created country Hindustan

Parijat Haran Natak describes Hindu as,

Hindu is one who with penance washes one’s sins and evil thoughts and with arms destroys one’s enemies.

Madhava Digvijaya states,

One who meditates on Omkar as the primeal sound, believes in karma & reincarnation, has reverence for the cow, who is devoted to Bharat, and abhors evil, is deserving of being called Hindu.

Vriddha Smriti defines Hindu as,

One who abhors the mean and the ignoble, and is of noblebearing, who reveres the Veda, the cow, and the deity, is a Hindu.

Similarly other Sanskrit works which use the term ‘Hindu’ are, Kalika Puran, Bhavishya Puran, Adbhut Kosh, Medini Kosh, Ram Kosh etc. Even Kalidas has used a derivative form ‘Haindava.’

‘Hindu’ and ‘Sindhu’

Another theory says that ‘Hindu’ originated from the Persian practice of replacing ‘S’ with ‘H’. This does not seem to be true is evident from the fact that Sindh has not become Hind and both Sindh and Hind exist in Persian as well as Arabic.
The inscriptions of Darius and Xerexes which describe India as Hi(n)du, also use the term ‘Sugd’ for Sogdiana. This ‘Sugd’ should have become ‘Hugd’ as per this theory. The Pahlvi inscription of Shahpur II, uses ‘S’ in Shakastan and Tuxaristan.

But it cannot be denied that Hindu is also a form of Sindhu. It needs to be realised that this change from S to H is common in Saurashtra where Sorath becomes Horath, Somnath becomes Homnath and so on. The form Hindu is therefore, likely to have come from Saurashtra.

It should also be noted that as per Nirukta rules of grammar, in the Vedik language, replacement of S with H is permitted

Conclusion

Epigraphic scientific evidence takes the antiquity of ‘Hindu’ back to at least 500 B.C. Use of ‘Hindu’ as part of ‘Hapta-Hindu’ in the Avesta suggests that ‘Hindu’ is as old as ‘Sindhu’ and therefore, belongs to the Vedic age. Regarding the origin of ‘Hindu’ from ‘Sindhu’, the Saurashtran practice of pronouncing ‘H’ in place of ‘S’ provides the answer. The proof further abolishes false claims made by british writers who wanted to dilute effectiveness and antiquity of term ‘Hindu’ so that Hinduism can be shown as recent religion. But then truth cannot be hidden since dharm is light of sun and rays of white light come out tearing black shadow of falsehood. Some skeptics  performed DNA tests on some people of other religions in India and found that they were actually ethnic Hindus.

False Aryan Invasion Theory to Take Wrong Credit of Great Vedas

It is already proven that Aryan Invasion Theory Is False

Its already shown in BBC TV too that the aryan invasion theory is completely false and Hinduism is the only religion to be most civilized and ancient ever known to mankind. Indian history books teach lies when they rely on western and european thoughts on fake aryan invasion theory.

To create rift among Indians (labelling them as Aryans and Dravidians)

Aryan Invasion Theory has been proved to be a myth and as a wrong theory long back. But let me explain in detail the actual history and dirty politics behind this theory. Note that this theory was used as a basis by Hitler to advocate his theory of the supremacy of the Aryan race and to mindlessly kill whom he claimed to be non-aryans!

Definition


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Supera45 In reply to VishnuSolos [2017-12-27 02:10:20 +0000 UTC]

Did you seriously copy all of what you wrote from somewhere? And again, does it matter how long the term "Hindu" dates back to? 

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VishnuSolos In reply to Supera45 [2017-12-27 11:35:51 +0000 UTC]

nope, i didnt re-post that... i did it last-night only.. so it is a new post .... and yes it does matter. it proves why the hindu-culture is the most ancient and all...

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Supera45 In reply to VishnuSolos [2017-12-27 22:54:12 +0000 UTC]

what do you really hope to gain out of trying to prove to everyone that hindu culture is the oldest one in the whole wide world? 

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Supera45 [2017-11-25 03:29:40 +0000 UTC]

Oh god Showzilla and the sock puppet guy is at it again! Will this circus never end?

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-11-25 04:29:02 +0000 UTC]

Meh

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-11-25 05:07:49 +0000 UTC]

well I wasn't trying to take a humrous shot at you, I swear.

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-11-25 06:14:07 +0000 UTC]

I know, I just dont find much to be gotten from this.

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-11-25 22:18:34 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I agreed. He will always be convinced that Hinduism is the strongest myth/religion and that it's the only one that can be omniversal and that can influence all of fiction, including Marvel, Dc, blah blah blah...

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-11-25 23:29:22 +0000 UTC]

I'm guessing he's taking his time to go read iron chariot wiki some more.

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-11-26 03:08:02 +0000 UTC]

lol yeah... he even told me on FB that Brahman can solo all of religion/mythology's deities at once, when I told him that Brahman is a part of religion/mythology. Although he's my friend and I know him on FB, I'll still ask you: How wrong do you think such a statement is?

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-11-26 07:12:44 +0000 UTC]

very wrong.

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-11-26 21:41:58 +0000 UTC]

how would you refute his statement? What specific effective arguments would you use as fire to clap back at him with? 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-11-26 22:31:22 +0000 UTC]

you've seen what I've said,it goes over his head, he'll refuse to believe it "th-th-thats just a metaphor, my reading of another section is what's meant to be taken literal and only my version of literal, which assumes this book was only ever written in english"

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-11-27 04:48:44 +0000 UTC]

I mean defending all other religion/mythology/legends against the claim that they can be solo'd by brahman. 

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Knightnumber4 In reply to Supera45 [2017-11-28 01:12:46 +0000 UTC]

Technically, Brahman is the only real omniversal in hinduism. Any verse with multiple omniversals can handle him.

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Supera45 In reply to Knightnumber4 [2017-11-28 18:08:20 +0000 UTC]

so true... but I'm actually far more annoyed about people thinking that Azathoth/Yog-Sthoth and Cthulhu/Lovecraft-verse or any fictional universe, good or bad, for that matter can either: a) solo all of religions/mythologies/legends combined b) think that only Hinduism (and Buddhism) can win and that all other religions/mythologies are nowhere near as powerful enough to survive and I hate to quote emperorofliberty, but: "doomed", which is slightly less, but still equally bullshit.  

can you assist me once more on that? we need to combat the stupidity and craziness from being promulgated further on the internet.

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