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Published: 2016-07-23 14:56:10 +0000 UTC; Views: 741; Favourites: 36; Downloads: 0
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Description ATTENTION:  I would appreciate feed back, suggestions or links to tutorials, videos or other artists that may help me improve.


Trying to come up with decent workflow for stylized drawing
From left to right:
1 column - dynamic line art
2 column - static 2px lineart
3 column - no lineart at all just sketch

Rows 1 layer for each:
1 drawing
2 flat color
3 soft shade (kind of ambient occlusion)
4 shadow according to light source
5 direct light/highlights

I'm more or less satisfied with result up to 4th row, I put shadow with multiply layer use either base color or slightly shifted to either blue for cool shadow or red for warm one
however when I try to apply light it just doesn't look right, I use overlay for it and it seems it works quite well for bringing up color, and changing temperature if needed, but I cannot exactly point out where and how much it should be illuminated, where exactly mid tones should be ?

Also this one was to test how much effort I need to put in early stages, result is confusing, sketch with some minor refining questionably looks best, simple lineart doesn't work for me here, huge lack of contrast. Dynamic lineart works better but compared to sketch it still requires more attention to AO pass and hard edges (still can't figure out how properly balance hard and soft edges, but this hopefully will come with more experience)
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Comments: 13

Vestigance [2016-07-25 00:59:54 +0000 UTC]

Personally I prefer no lineart method. I think you could've done more on the coloring for row three though. 

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vt2000 [2016-07-23 19:46:34 +0000 UTC]

I love how you draw her! while there not much to fix, I think that you should be careful of how the light hit her! the shadow on her hair still need a little work because little bit off on the left. 

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Lapuka In reply to vt2000 [2016-07-23 21:55:00 +0000 UTC]

 I should be more patient with that and fix all these quirks before posting online 

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chateaugrief [2016-07-23 16:35:44 +0000 UTC]

I think that the reason you have a final lack of contrast in your lineart tests is that your ambient occlusion pass is too light.  How dark to take the ao pass always depends on environment, so I usually end up making a separate layer that I can adjust the brightness/contrast on, and multiply the ao pass by the flat color layer.  This is why your sketchy lines have better contrast, the messy sketch lines make your eyes fill in the gaps to give it that darker ao pass.    

I think personally I'd only do the overlay highlights on very light hotspot areas with a small brush rather than a large one, that way they don't wash out your shadows.  

I love your color choices!  So bright and warm!  Looking good!

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Lapuka In reply to chateaugrief [2016-07-23 17:46:22 +0000 UTC]

Thank you , will try do something about ao pass, don't think there is a documented method for this, will have to go trial error path  

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chateaugrief In reply to Lapuka [2016-07-23 18:10:38 +0000 UTC]

Hope it helps. Everything is trial and error, aside from raytracing it in a 3d program...

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Lapuka In reply to chateaugrief [2016-07-23 18:36:14 +0000 UTC]

yes it does, everytime somebody gives me advice I feel obligated to try it out, and almost always learn new things

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chateaugrief In reply to Lapuka [2016-07-29 19:15:55 +0000 UTC]

I always love getting a new perspective, fresh set of eyes to look at my work and give me a 'first impression' critique.  Even if I decide that the advice isn't the direction I want to go in, it helps me decide which direction I DO want.  

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nineteen-twenty [2016-07-23 16:17:46 +0000 UTC]

feedback huh?
While your coloring is pretty on point, I'd still say work on the proportions and the aesthetic - making it generally appealing. 
the way you draw hair is awesome 

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Lapuka In reply to nineteen-twenty [2016-07-23 16:23:49 +0000 UTC]

Thank you, but could you elaborate more on the aesthetic part ? 

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nineteen-twenty In reply to Lapuka [2016-07-23 16:45:07 +0000 UTC]

Yes. well.

This is something that lots of people struggle with, or hell. dont even notice. You cant just "learn it" you gotta feel it. 
But have you ever been on like conceptart, or any professional art forum? 
Where they're like crazy hell bent on working but in the end, their art just.. isnt very pretty? even if the proportions are good? 

The visual appearance of an image is very very important, it has to be instantly "liked" or appeal to the viewer's eye when you see it. 
This is very very hard to pull off and makes the difference between professional popular artists to professionals who know all the basics and everything yet don't appeal to the viewer. 

I tried to do a quick thing. It's still off but coughs. 
I don't really know what Im talking about lol, I asked my friends to help me with the adjustments and then just based it off of what i found pretty. several fresh eyes are better than one
Obviously taste differs from person to person but if you're asking for critique you're not 100% satisfied. 
Some artists have just a style/likes similar to most people, which is why you can say their art is prettier than other's. 
idk if that makes sense?

oh and here
 

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Lapuka In reply to nineteen-twenty [2016-07-23 17:43:23 +0000 UTC]

I see, it well could be personal choice too to certain extent what people find cute/adorable etc from my personal experience color schemes and especially lighting plays huge role in this, I think I understand what you're saying (hopefully), I know this thing "triangle of beauty" nice rule of thumb when laying out face features, I'll try for my next drawing spend more time in sketch/lineart state hopefully can come up with something, to improve on points you mention.  Thank you for taking your time to explain and even example  

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nineteen-twenty In reply to Lapuka [2016-07-27 13:38:00 +0000 UTC]

Yea, it's very relative. Taste is always relative, cant appeal to everyone. 
Personally I always pay attention to the faces. if everything else is perfect but the face is off, the picture aint appealing to me.
I hope it helps <3 

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