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MakingFunOfStuff — The Problems With Stories Written by Teenagers
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Description Don't be offended at the title. "Teenagers" is just my way of saying "people who write unprofessional/shallow stories." Not all teenagers write shallow stories, it just sounds catchier.... Anyway.

The first thing I want to make clear is: I'm not talking about anything mechanical in this deviation. Grammar/spelling is important (obviously), but that point has been beaten to death by people on the internet already. My purpose, as always, is to talk about the stories themselves, regardless of the way they are communicated. Whether it be through written word or on-the-spot narration, I believe there are certain tricks to telling good stories. Not rules, mind you. Tricks.

I don't believe that telling good stories is about what you "should" do, rather than what you shouldn't. Example: people generally hate Mary Sues, right? Well, sometimes I notice things that are "like" Mary Sues, in the sense that they're equally as shallow/unprofessional ways of telling stories. The purpose of this deviation is to point them out. I won't be talking about Mary Sues or self inserts in this deviation. This is about things that tend to go more unnoticed (I already have deviations about those anyway).

1. Thinking that "most" = best

Sometimes people who write think they're making "the best story ever," because it's the MOST dramatic, MOST dark, MOST romantic MOST (insert your choice of adjective here). Having the most of something doesn't equate to it being the best. Think of it like salt.

2. Unbalance

Do you ever read a story, and it feels like there was a big hole in it? Maybe it was a tragedy that focused on nothing but tragic events. The author got carried away in their emotions and didn't create a well-rounded world for us to care about while the sad things take place. Sure, sad things are sad, but that is no accomplishment of the author. It would be MORE sad if the audience had a well-created world to be sad about in the first place.
In fanfiction, the writers have the advantage of writing about something that people already care about. That's how a lot of people with barely any imagination can get so many people to like their fanfiction stories. "Hey! Let's take the Once-ler and find a way to drench him in blood! It sure took talent to think of that!"
Never judge someone's imagination by how popular their fanfiction is. Never...

3. Narcissism

Sometimes people consider themselves to be a certain way. They write certain genres or about certain themes for the sake of adding to their self-proclaimed image. They use their stories as stepping stones (a lot of times without even realizing it) to show off in front of other people. A lot of times it's in the little things, strategically placed to look innocent or humble. "The woman shook her head in admiration at *insert-person-that's-supposed-to-be-like-them's-name.* 'That girl sure is *insert-their-choice-of-adjective!* We may never understand her!"

4. Abusing character roles (sort of a Part 2 of Narcissism)

I want you to think about Belle from Beauty in the Beast for a minute (the Disney version). If you're familiar with it, think of the song sung by the villagers about her in the beginning. Has anyone else ever noticed something...odd about it? The villagers are singing about how different (or "weird") she is, all because she reads books and acts like... well, the average girl you'd meet every day on DeviantArt. Meanwhile, if you met one of those villagers in real life, you'd probably think of THEM as the strange ones (first of all, they're abnormally nosy, all bothering to sing a big song about a perfectly normal girl whose personal life they REALLY bothered to have apparently looked so much into... o_O).
Okay. I understand that can be a strategy in story telling (using the background to add to the general effect of a certain thing... i.e Belle wanting a break from her boring life).
I bring this up however, mostly as a warning. I don't know how...um... healthy it is, that a lot of teenager girls these days really seem to think they're sooo great that they write stories about themselves and use other people as tools to look good. They make people (sometimes fake, sometimes real) in their stories impressed far too easily by themselves (or certain things) sometimes to the point even of contradiction. It falls into the same attitude as the narcissism example.
Sometimes it goes beyond, "Oh, a cute little Disney story," and gets really narcissistic and vain.
A story will suffer if it's written for anything besides the pure pleasure of writing it. Ulterior motives distract from making it the best it possibly can be. Not to mention, nobody likes being used as an audience for people who can't stop shining the spotlight on themselves. (It needed to be said).
Furthermore, Disney movies are corny. It's a fact. That's why we like them. The point is simple: if you are writing a CORNY story, feel free to use their little trick of making the whole world conform to one character/theme (heck, make everyone burst into song about them!) If you're NOT writing a corny story, avoid it at all costs. It's a cheap trick, and it's no substitute for actually making there be something special about whatever character/thing you're trying to make something special about.

Fun fact: "Bully" characters are possibly the biggest form of abuse to story-telling. This can be in the form of a snooty, popular girl at school who picks on the main-character we're supposed to feel sorry for, or in the form of unreasonably/obsessively cruel bullies who are far from even borderline realistic. They're the classic example of cheating in a story; the cheapest way to make other characters seem special or victim-ly.



5. Pretty feelings

Did you ever put on an Owl City song while you were writing/drawing and think something like: Lalalalalala, beautifulness, and the dreams and the beautifullness of the wonderful outerspace, flying through the sky and the shooting stars lalala!
Yeah, we could tell.
No, seriously, it's fine to get your inspiration from wherever you want. Just make sure that while you're getting all into the music that you don't let the emotions that the song brings you be your only guide.
Sometimes people get REALLY excited about their characters or a story they're making up and draw all this beautiful art of it, and you're like, "Hey! That's an amazing picture of the main character on a shooting star! So... when can I read this?!" Then you see the story, and think, "...this is it?"
Don't fall into the trap of thinking that your emotions are the story. A lot of people who listen to music while they write make this mistake, though that isn't to say that listening to music when you write is always automatically bad.



To conclude this, there's really only one thing I want to say. Write because you like to. Write about things you like no matter what they are and force them to fit together. Write about things that you like and wouldn't be too ashamed to show your friends or family. Odds are, if you're too embarrassed to show it to the people you know best, it's not coming from the heart. I don't mean "your emotions" as your heart. It's not really YOU if it's something you're embarrassed of. Embarrassment can be a sign that you know deep down your story might be a wee bit... well, stupid.
And then there are the people with no dignity.......

I love feedback. If anyone has anything interesting to add, I'd be glad to hear!
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Comments: 109

Artforfree2018 [2018-01-24 18:33:50 +0000 UTC]

If you can't stand bad spelling/grammar then you are the one with the problem. You have a phobia. But instead of dealing with your own issue you lash out like a bully. There are many reasons why people may have difficulty spelling, English not being their first language for one. Only 25% percent of the world speak English and it isn't even the most well used language in the world.

Mental health problems and learning difficulties are another reason why people cannot communicate effectively, and metaphorically beating people over the head because you can spell and they can't makes you a bully and a white supremist. Sorry but not everyone has a perfect middle class life where they get all the education and support they need.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to Artforfree2018 [2018-01-25 00:10:03 +0000 UTC]

Is this comment sarcastic?

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Artforfree2018 In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2018-01-25 00:32:15 +0000 UTC]

Whatever you want to think mate. It doesn't matter what the truth is.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to Artforfree2018 [2018-01-26 03:40:05 +0000 UTC]

If you wrote every exception to every statement no essay would ever get to the point.

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Artforfree2018 In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2018-01-26 11:19:13 +0000 UTC]

It's the truth, just because you think it

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KyMatheson [2017-12-30 09:42:10 +0000 UTC]

I agree with most of this, and remember poorly written stories I've read for each section, but just because someone is embarrassed or even ashamed to show their work to their family and/or friends, it doesn't necessarily mean that their heart isn't in it. Sure, it could be, but, for example, if someone didn't want to show their story about an LGBTQ+ character to their hard-line Catholic family, it could be a matter of safety or fear of ostracism. (I understand this is an extreme example and you did say "Odds are", but I felt the point had to be made. I'm not saying you're not right, just that there is some grey area, as is with most things.)

Thank you for writing this! (:

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to KyMatheson [2018-01-04 23:15:24 +0000 UTC]

Hey, I'm Catholic, and I don't think any Catholic I know would ostracize a family member because they disagree with their beliefs. (Unless you consider disagreeing ostracizing). That's a little dramatic. Remember the families can often be just as stereotyped/demonized as the kids rebelling.

But I get what you're saying, I guess in an extreme case someone who disagrees with your beliefs might not understand what you're trying to write, and probably wouldn't be the best choice of audience if you just want constructive criticism. Thanks for the comment!

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KyMatheson In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2018-01-08 06:05:30 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean any offense! I only used that as an example because I knew someone who was in that situation, and was entirely ignored or bullied by their own family because of it. I really don't like painting a whole group with one brush, but, as far as I am aware, being LGBTQ+ is not "allowed" in the Catholic church, which could lead to ostracism. Obviously, not all Catholic people are like that, and I may be wrong, as I was told this several years ago. (Disagreements can cause divides between people, but the disagreements themselves are not ostracism, in my opinion.) Yes, stereotypes are nasty things, and I apologize for using one.

Again, it was an extreme example, and was not meant as the norm, and I really am sorry if I offended you or anyone else.

Thank you for responding! Have a great day! (:

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m0t10nl3ss-cyb3rh3x [2017-08-03 05:02:16 +0000 UTC]

There's nothing wrong with being moved and/or inspired to write by a song.

I'm a teen writer of my own Pokemon Sun/Moon based AU myself, and when I was younger, I found that keeping on the plot from beginning to end was difficult for me when I was writing. As I got older and wrote more, I started to focus more on the plot and less on the random thoughts that my mind drifts off to. But 20 chapters while sticking to a plot that can easily take place over a few days? That's why I throw in a couple of silly off-plot events here and there, while still telling the story, so I decided to let the first half of the plot progress over a time period of 180 days, and the second half of it over a time period of 246 days, resulting in the complete story taking place over a time period of 426 days, or a year and 61 days, because I didn't want the main character to end up attempting to take his life so soon.

As for being inspired and/or moved by music to write, I also insert music in my writing when the time and mood are in correspondence. When the mood is gloomy and the main character is feeling sad, I insert a sad song, such as "Safe and Sound" by Taylor Swift, ft. The Civil Wars, but when the mood is bright and the main character is happy, I would go for something such as "Fancy" by Iggy Azalea, ft. Charli XCX. And as a result of this practice that I've been doing for about two years now, I find it helpful for setting the mood of the place and the character at the same time.

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Girl-Time-2015 [2016-09-26 20:00:57 +0000 UTC]

I love Transformers but I don't like how most of the fanfiction I come across are angsty teenage love stories between a robotic alien who is older than dinosaurs and a girl who's barely out of highschool. I want to read stories about you know, robotic aliens beating the snot out of each other and sci-fi action than read about some chick whining about dating a car.

Seriously that's what got me into writing my own fanfiction. I got tired of seeing cliche after cliche.

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MagicSpyglass [2016-07-20 20:57:05 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the advice! I am making a experiment story which is trying to morph a series that i really like + me + some other things which should equal.... a weird fanfiction.  After i am done with that, i swear that i will make the best stories in the land! i have a few of them planned in fact! the weird fanfiction is just to flex my writing skills.

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BloodInTheTea [2016-06-08 12:15:30 +0000 UTC]

What if the main character is the "bully" he's egotistical, sadistic, and often rude, but he plays out to be a well mannered person, but it's just an act to get you to trust him, so it'll be easier for him to strike. Is that okay? you didn't cover that o,o

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grimm-girlie [2015-12-15 09:01:17 +0000 UTC]

I've always hated the "wah wah, (insert bully name) is so mean to me!!!" kinds of characters. Having a character who faces bullying is fine, but there's a fine line between writing about a bullied character and just making everyone feel bad about an apparently kind, sweet, beautiful, generous, generally stereotypically perfect character.

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The-Moon-Witch [2015-12-02 03:09:25 +0000 UTC]

As a writer who is in my late teens myself (I'm almost 20), these are the kind of tips that I need for my original story. Granted, I do write a lot of fanfictions to improve my writing, but I have been working on the same novel plot since middle school and I feel like it's came a long way since then I will use your tips when editing because I know that they will come in handy

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TheSerialPoet [2015-10-02 03:04:39 +0000 UTC]

As a teen writer myself, straight-forward takes such as this on a very opinionated subject are unspeakably valuable. I know I don't have enough life experience to be able to properly write some of the things I want to, but it's works like these that let me at least keep me from falling into some of the common traps of writing, and inspire me to think even more deeply about my worlds and characters.

I've begun writing out some of my stories, and while I know that I'm not gonna get gold on my first swing, better to start mining while I'm young, right?

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Adam-Walker [2015-07-05 20:44:24 +0000 UTC]

I know one example of a book written by a teenager. Eragon.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to Adam-Walker [2015-07-08 02:37:58 +0000 UTC]

I remember those.

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Adam-Walker In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2015-07-08 11:41:31 +0000 UTC]

I know that thanks to Rotten Tomatoes, and I've seen the film of it.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to Adam-Walker [2015-07-09 02:17:02 +0000 UTC]

Me too, it's been a while though.
A lot of people didn't like it, but I don't remember why.

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Adam-Walker In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2015-07-09 12:12:19 +0000 UTC]

My sister I think enjoyed it but I didn't care about it because I'm not the fantasy type.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to Adam-Walker [2015-07-13 00:57:06 +0000 UTC]

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Adam-Walker In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2015-07-13 10:02:04 +0000 UTC]

I'm not so much the actual fantasy type as the science fantasy type. But I don't see the harm in making a fantasy concept and it's added to the list of concepts I have.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to Adam-Walker [2015-07-15 04:05:44 +0000 UTC]

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Adam-Walker In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2015-07-15 08:22:34 +0000 UTC]

Mine is just a work in progress though.

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shadhardblogger [2015-04-28 02:15:43 +0000 UTC]

Did you know my story takes nine years of revising to make it happen as official as it looks to me? That's all I went through puberty to retell from the original source over and over again until I get it right, but still... it's ongoing. I'm 19 and was stuck in the middle of Part 1 of the legacy challenge in fanfic form (chapter 14). Can I find my way out?

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shadhardblogger In reply to shadhardblogger [2015-04-28 02:26:10 +0000 UTC]

I have no clue of what to publish, but DeviantArt, Wattpad and Blogger did help me get through this. Yay, me! If you have a self-insert, why go for a "persona char"? But, if you do have a "persona char", make it well-rounded? I don't know... imagine that you take a selfie first and then you teleport to the world of your dreams and poof! There's the self-insert. Did you get it? Agree with the "idiomic" saying of the writing problem in teens?

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hollyleaf14 In reply to shadhardblogger [2015-06-13 08:57:34 +0000 UTC]

Ooh, you have wattpad? I do, and I was just going back and rereading the beginning of my stories...I wish I hadn't. I started it about two years ago and...I had to go back and re-edit. It was...distressing   

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shadhardblogger In reply to hollyleaf14 [2015-06-16 20:48:39 +0000 UTC]

Yes, it's just the part of stress. Revising is tough when it comes to writing!

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modji-33 [2015-04-19 06:27:50 +0000 UTC]

"A story will suffer if it's written for anything besides the pure pleasure of writing it." i agree, but might change it to 'reading it.'

Also, lol, u forgot to mention the number one mistake in teen-written/immature stories: Starting the story in present-tense, and then in the very next sentance (and rest of the story) telling it in past-tense. I see this 200 times a day!  And everytime i do, im like, 'okay, you just blew your chance of me reading ANY more of this crap'

Are english teachers not covering tenses anymore? lol

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mmpratt99 [2015-04-08 21:10:57 +0000 UTC]

Ugh!  This is so like me in middle school--lots of enthusiasm and clueless when it came to making a plot and realistic characters. Much of this failed fiction eventually ended up as fuel for the wood stove. 

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ElleMaxwell In reply to mmpratt99 [2016-04-23 04:38:25 +0000 UTC]

Oh, damn, I just realized I did that in one of my chapters!

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TaranJHook [2015-02-24 19:10:54 +0000 UTC]

This
"nobody likes being used as an audience for people who can't stop shining the spotlight on themselves."

I've seen way too much of this, it's unbelievable. The thing that scares me is that people eat this up sometimes. I'll read through a piece and not think a whole lot of it aside from 'wow, I actually read through the whole thing', and then get to the comments and everyone's acting like it was written by the gods themselves and is the 'most greatest story evah! like omg lol'.  Then I'll come across something that's legitimately good and there's hardly any attention paid to it at all. A few years back I wrote a story that had a VERY obvious self insert (because I didn't care and wrote the story as more of a joke) and people loved it. It was the stupidest shit ever, people loved it and I have no idea why.  Then when I went back, cleaned the story up, took out the self insert and just generally made it a more mature sounding piece it didn't get nearly as much attention as the shitty, half-ass first version did.

It's a scary trend that readers, and writers are falling into; 'Hey, people liked my shitty story, so I'm gonna write another shitty story!' My stuff doesn't get a whole lot of hits lately, but I have returning readers who leave, intelligent and helpful feed back and I'd much rather have that than a thousand people say 'this is great!'.

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AnonymousWriter0 [2015-01-30 21:01:58 +0000 UTC]

This is an awesome Deviation. I was wondering if my story/stories are ''Teenager'' stories. Can you check them out? Thanks!

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Deepizzaguy [2014-11-11 04:38:13 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the advice. I try to write Word Girl fan fictions based on some of the lines that actor Sylvester Stallone says in his movies from the Rocky Balboa franchises, or his other movies. I also use terms used by super heroes in the comic book I grew up reading from the 1970s. I usually have to edit them since I make errors the first time I write them. The musical material I write about comes from artists who have recently passed away like Paul Revere of the singing group Paul Revere And The Raiders or the disco era artists. 

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RockmanGurl [2014-07-15 13:49:45 +0000 UTC]

I am NOT a fan of bully characters at all. I remember the Nostalgia Critic once saying that he'd like to see what goes on in the mind of those "jerk characters". Another problem is that some of them are outright psychotic. Now, I know that it's possible, but not every person that teases/pushes you in the locker is aiming to come and kill you. I've seen stories where the bully (though this might be another cliche) bullies said character because they like them, maybe they could go into why he/she felt this was his/her outlet for it, and how the character can't feel the same because of their treatment.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to RockmanGurl [2014-07-24 04:05:43 +0000 UTC]

Another cliche is that the bully is "treated badly at home" (usually shown in a very corny way) and is therefore mean to everyone.
Lol, I liked Nostalgia Critic's word for them: "stock bullies." 

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RockmanGurl In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2014-07-24 20:01:18 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. Reminds me of that vampire movie "Let Me In"/"Let the Right One In", in where the kid's picked on and the vampire girl (SPOILERS) kills them, one of which by ripping his head off. We're supposed to go "aw, she's so protective of him.", but all I can think of is: "Dude! She just ripped a kid's head off! What's wrong with her?!" 

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RianNoodlton [2014-05-27 02:33:22 +0000 UTC]

riannoodlton.deviantart.com/ar…
I wrote a story and I want to know if it's good by your standards or those topics you emphasized (I want feedback on my story so even if I don't agree with you, I'm okay with you opinion)

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homestucker42 [2014-03-10 20:56:11 +0000 UTC]

I agree with most of these but I do just want to say that everyone starts somewhere. Take your story that was "too dark" and had plot holes in it and learn from it. Fix it and say "I've learned something new about writing". and I wholeheartedly agree with the statement "Write because you like to". Write about what you want to and write because you love it. 

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to homestucker42 [2014-03-11 16:02:35 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I don't believe in throwing any ideas away. If you do they'll just come back to mind anyway. Best to stick with something and work on improving it the best you can.

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homestucker42 In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2014-03-12 01:09:09 +0000 UTC]

I like to keep everything I write, even if it's pretty bad writing because every time you write you are improving your skills. 

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bubbamax1990 [2014-01-26 23:16:48 +0000 UTC]

i feel scared to finish writing my fanfiction now xD

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SDA-MessengersOracle In reply to bubbamax1990 [2014-04-02 05:49:53 +0000 UTC]

This is one person's opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't write based on others' opinions, but because I enjoy writing. It's all that matters when you write.

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bubbamax1990 In reply to SDA-MessengersOracle [2014-04-02 17:58:16 +0000 UTC]

yeah, haha. i actually agree with with this post, so i didnt want to be lumped with all the bad teeny stuff by writing my fanfic. but i continued writing it anyway, as you said- its all about your own personal enjoyment, and if other like it then its just a bonus.

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SDA-MessengersOracle In reply to bubbamax1990 [2014-04-02 22:07:02 +0000 UTC]

*nods* While I don't write fanfics, I think you could still very easily apply this to fanfics as really, the main goal to not have a Mary or Gary is to simply allow the character to grow. That really is what makes a great story is character growth.

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bubbamax1990 In reply to SDA-MessengersOracle [2014-04-04 20:35:33 +0000 UTC]

true dat. i mainly write fan-fics so i can make my fave characters from a series do something fun and different to what they normally get up to, while trying to give them a sprinkling of development.

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SDA-MessengersOracle In reply to bubbamax1990 [2014-04-04 22:11:49 +0000 UTC]

Awesome sauce.

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knuckles009 [2014-01-26 12:34:09 +0000 UTC]

After I've read this, I skimmed through a few of my old stories and the one thing I could say is: "God, I was an idiot." I wrote every taboo ever written: Mary Sues, Gary Stus, grammatical errors, etc. But I've been able to improve my writing and it's not so bad now, or at least it's presentable enough to be posted on dA now. So thank you for writing this!

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mmpratt99 [2013-11-28 06:35:33 +0000 UTC]

Ugh, now that I think about it, I really hate what I had written back in middle school. I was mostly influenced by Saturday morning cartoons.

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CalebTheGreyAcea [2013-11-19 01:02:16 +0000 UTC]

this, this is good, this is what the people needed, thank you, here is kirby <('-')> thas the best I can do so here is Zoidberg as well,
(\/) (;,,, (\/)

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