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MangaEngel — In the Name of the Holy Roman Empire

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Description Does anybody here know, why exactly HRE named himself like that?
I guess, the most would answer with no, so I provide you with some facts about our most favorite chibi :3
(I hope, it is visible, that he is supposed to be very young? He kind of looks very old, like already 15 ôo)

Some facts:
HRE came officially into excistence when Otto I., earl of Saxony, was crowned emperor in the year 962. It didn't really started excisting then, because the borders were still topic for a lot of wars and the name itself was used even later. In the 10th century, it got the addition "Holy" to it's name "Roman Empire", to differ itself from the Byzantine Empire, which also claimed to be the successor of the original Roman Empire.
There were multiple reasons for the rulers to call their land like this. The easy and also obvious one was to make others connect their kingdom with the famous and strong Roman Empire. There are also notes that some hoped that the hostile countries (like France) might surrender and become part of them, since they as rightful successor to the Roman Empire might also have the right to claim the land that was once part of the antic country and become the leaders of the world (since the Roman Empire owned pretty much all that the antique world knew as "the world".

But, and this is a fact that is quite interesting:
There is also a fact about the name, that is probably not that well-known and shows the kind of dedication of the country to christianity and mankind.
While America "believes" he is the hero and saviour, Holy Roman Empire "knew" it was.
Why?
In the Book of Daniel, which is part of the Old Testament, is a prophecy named. It says that with the downfall of the four great kingdoms, the Anti-Christ shall come to earth and bring the end of the world.
The first kingdom was the kingdom of Babylon. The others were unclear, but most people agreed later, that the second kingdom was the persian empire, the third one was Macedonia and the fourth and last one was the Roman Empire (based on the fact, that the prophecy states, that the last empire is a splitted one, which fits the splitting of Rome in the year 395, when it was parted in west and east Rome and had two emperors instead of one).
So, with the downfall of the Roman Empire, the last kingdom before the apocalypse, many people were horribly scared about the return of the Anti-Christ.
And it happened, that HRE called himself Roman Empire, to revive that important kingdom and stop the apocalypse.
The "Holy" that was added later was simply, to show that it was a godsend country with emperors chosen by god, but didn't have anything to do with the main name.

Some more facts:
For reasons I don't understand, there seems to be difficulty in knowing, if HRE became Germany or not.
So some random side not about that.
YES, HRE is the former name of Germany.
The Holy Roman Empire had grown and shrunk on occasional basis, but often because of the involvement of France.
When Napoleon became the emperor of France, Franz II. crowned himself Emperor of Austria, to become a power to stand against the french. But the Archchancellor of HRE, Karl Theodor von Dalberg, decided that the uncle of Napoleon may be his successor when he dies. Horrified from that news the goverment itself took various measures which finally led to the "downfall" of the Holy Roman Empire. The counts and earls of the sub-countries that had been part of HRE then formed a bond called "German Confederation". This "country" used the flag colors of today for the very first time (black-red-gold). The Confederation was meant to block the hostility between Prussia and Austria, but was too weak and the Confederation broke after the "Seven Week War". It parted in various bonds, like the "North German Confederation" and the independand states in the south like the kingdom of Bavaria. Prussia became part of the North German Confederation and became it's main country and leader. Austria stayed outside of any german related bonds.
After the german kingdoms of the south were forced to stop having monachry after the first World War, they became a democracy (which ironically invited the future nazi regime into the goverment) and, after merging with Prussia, became todays Germany.
So, even though the borders are not exactly the same, HRE is pretty much one of the former names for todays Germany and can thus probably be seen as "Germany as a kid".

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I dedicate this picture to my friend Reaven, who just deserved a new picture of HRE, after my first try (from last year or something) had been a pretty fail
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Comments: 16

123456789JD [2019-01-07 19:58:59 +0000 UTC]

Neither Roman Nor an Empire. Holy?
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Perhaps.

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erikatheraindeer [2017-09-02 15:57:07 +0000 UTC]

I personally headcanon (for my history-based dark AU anyway) that Germany and HRE are separate characters... sort of. He might actually be a reincarnation. I'm pretty sure I will explicitly show Germany born/poofed into existence in Prussia's arms in the Palace of Versailles, but unlike canon he might have some faint memories that feel oddly personal (though that may just be that he shares his memories with his states). Since, well, as you mentioned the HRE kind of shattered, though if what I learned in history class is any indication wasn't really much of a unified country in the first place. But wow... didn't know that about the HRE. And I thought it was just an ego thing. Interesting. 

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pinsel-chan [2014-06-19 15:36:54 +0000 UTC]

Ich habe irgendwann etwas davon gehört, dass sich das heilige römische Reich so genannt hat wie es sich eben genannt hat weil Karl der Große, der es wohl irgendwann vor Otto I gegründet hat (es ist zwischenzeitlich besetzt worden und in Vergessenheit geraten und wurde von Otto I quasi 'wiederbelebt'), ein riesen Fan von der Kultur der Römer war und ein weiteres Reich so aufbauen wollte. Heilig hat er dazu geschrieben, weil er sich als Stellvertreter Gottes auf Erden sah.
Meine Güte, was'n Satzungetüm da oben steht O.o
Naja, ich habe keine Ahnung ob das so stimmt, ich hab nur ne Führung im Aachener Dom gemacht
Sehr hübsches Bild übrigens ^^

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FemeItaly [2013-05-13 16:27:39 +0000 UTC]

Sweet...

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Neska-chan [2013-05-13 01:55:17 +0000 UTC]

Interesting how H.R.E. took that prophecy... it's pretty close (studied those prophecies), Lion= Babylon, Bear= Medo-Persia, Leopard=Greece (i know, right, lol a CAT O.o), and the last "Beast" was the Roman Empire - the horns from it however, as this prophecy actually extends to our day and age, is the Anglo-American world power (which is starting to loose said power as we watch).

but interesting read none-the-less
heh everytime i heard H.R.E, i always thought "neither Holy, Roman, nor an Empire".. (and then they used that phrase in Hetalia haha it was in my history book, too )

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MangaEngel In reply to Neska-chan [2013-05-13 02:04:40 +0000 UTC]

I didn't get THAT much of the prophecy, a friend who studies theology told me about the details and I hope, I explained it good xD
But yeah, HRE wasn't that strong, it was just a bond of various independant countries under one emperor. The only thing between them was the name and that they had to help each other in case of war, making it actually a pretty bad country due to the lack of organization xD
I love your last phrace, btw x3

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HetaliaRin [2013-05-12 18:28:27 +0000 UTC]

aww he cute

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MADDEREK [2013-05-12 17:55:14 +0000 UTC]

I throught that the HRE called himself Holy due to the fact that he was consisted of powerful religious countries

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MangaEngel In reply to MADDEREK [2013-05-13 01:31:15 +0000 UTC]

No, HRE wasn't THAT strong at all. Religious, yes. But HRW was a loose bond of various sub-countries that all had their own leaders and were ruled independent. HRE was just like a cover, the emperor was the only one over those leaders. And in case of war, those sub-countries had to help each other. But that was pretty much it.
The only strong aspect about HRE was, that he was very big and thus had a lot of soldiers and ressources, which was a advantage against good organized countries like France.

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MADDEREK In reply to MangaEngel [2013-05-13 19:41:45 +0000 UTC]

But Napoleon invade most of Germany and that's the reason why HRE dissappeared

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MangaEngel In reply to MADDEREK [2013-05-13 22:13:14 +0000 UTC]

To my information, it was really mainly the fact with Napoleons uncle. Because that position was more or less being the main leader directly under the emperor. HRE feared to be taken over from the inside. The army of Napoleon was scary, but they tried to fight it back. But a inside invasion is pretty much impossible to stop, so they seemed to have decided to "commit suicide" and break the country themself.
But then again, maybe it's not really clear and my books tell a different story then others (thats the complicated thing about history)

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MADDEREK In reply to MangaEngel [2013-05-13 22:17:32 +0000 UTC]

History its really inaccurate

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MangaEngel In reply to MADDEREK [2013-05-13 22:24:34 +0000 UTC]

History itself isn't. Just the sources we have
Like in my Germania and Celtic pic. Most of the information about who was where is based on a country having FIVE little villages. That is like saying that green strawberries are apples, because you found three green strawberries that tasted like apples.

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MADDEREK In reply to MangaEngel [2013-05-13 22:28:01 +0000 UTC]

MangaEngel candidate for President!

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MADDEREK [2013-05-12 17:53:40 +0000 UTC]

So that explains the name Holy

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IcyIce360 [2013-05-12 17:34:07 +0000 UTC]

Wow.

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