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Description Stop Having Fun Guys: Who are they

SHFGs are guys who play to "win" and claim your opinions are invalid because you're not playing their way like you apparently should in tournaments. Not all tournament players are SHFGs, but plenty are. To say I detest these sort of people is an understatement. Why? Well, let's make a few points.

"Play by my rules or get lost."

To start with, seeing as they call scrubs out for it, this argument rings hypocritical. There may be a few valid reasons for some of their rules, but they completely force their rules down other people's throats. Seriously, post a video on YouTube and if it so much as bends any of their rules, zomg the video is garbage. It's ridiculously shallow, just as much as plenty of the San Francisco Bay Area population.

But that's not the main issue with it. No, the issue is that they still allow stupid stuff, glitches or just plain exploits. Which brings me to the next point.

"Use deathgrabs or you suck."

I'm for Glass Cannons so as to be able to kill Stone Wall jackasses. But NOT TO SUCH AN EXTREME WHERE YOU DIE EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A MISTAKE! If I wanted to die every time I made a mistake, even one that shows the "right" move is in fact horribly counterintuitive, I'd just go and play I Wanna Be The Guy. And if I wanted to kill my opponent literally every time they made a mistake, I would play on Super Sudden Death, which they ban for that very reason.

Also let me add that Momentum Cancel is a glitch that serves to make people live longer than they should, and it's not even hard to do. Seriously, I've been doing it unconciously when I first played Brawl. I get rewarded for JUST MASHING BUTTONS. It just favors evasion players because it's already such a pain in the ass to clean blow them the first time, which you already need to do to kill them.

And don't get me started on planking. Anybody who can do it to a decent degree can get a percentage lead and then camp beneath the stage. It's even worse than the Ice Climbers deathgrab--in fact, one video shows a Pit player actually beating an Ice Climbers player who could do the deathgrab, by planking.

These are the sorts of things that should never be allowed in tournaments, but they are anyway.

It gets better (NOT): they act so all h4w7 n 4w3sum

Now it's not necessarily that big a problem that stuff like what I mentioned above, and C-Sticking as well, are exploited. After all, let's quote the wise words of a Genki Girl friend of mine: "nothing wrong with testing player skill, but when it comes down to it, I don't really see where it gets anyone." Yep, I fully agree with her there. Being best is reliant on who you're better than, but being good, like being able to get through my ROB's projectiles (which she can as Luigi) doesn't. So honestly, being the best shouldn't mean a thing.

Unfortunately, there is something that really messes with the logic of not having to care about being the best: THE FREAKING ARROGANCE OF THE STOP HAVING FUN GUYS! This means they will bully you unless you hold all the cards over them by beating them all. But good luck being able to do that when they can abuse a local Game Breaker to its fullest effect AND any unbanned glitches. If you complain about either, you're "Johning" and therefore only further "prove" you somehow suck. Of course you "suck", so does anybody who cannot somehow deal with this BS. It gets worse if the match gets put up on YouTube, since the "be the best or you suck" mentality is far more frequent than at a likable level. Yeah, well, the same Genki Girl I mentioned in the last paragraph actually loses most of her matches with me, but that doesn't mean she is terrible at all. She just prefers playing the game as a party game, though she is willing to have items shut off if the other player wants items off. And friends of mine (not just the Genki Girl) do at least admit to C-Sticking or are plain good on their own.

But no, the SHFGs want to claim that the C-Stick isn't cheap at all. Um, hello? This is a game where you'd definitely want to hit hard and fast. Smashes are supposed to require the effort of tapping the control stick and pressing/holding A at the same time. But wait, I'm saying that grab shouldn't be limited to one button. No, grabbing deserves to be one button and it was that way in the original SSB. So does jumping. If anything, Tap Jump is annoying. Smashes, on the other hand, have much power and speed so they should require effort.

The whole issue actually gets better: they have such shining intelligence that they are able to post this:

"Originally Posted by Ally
Meta Knight has weaknesses? I didn't know that."

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I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START WITH THAT!!!!!

Well, let's start with something that I haven't explained: Ally is considered the second best Brawl player. So how does it not occur to him to, oh, I don't know, maybe freaking force Meta Knight to break through a defense. Meta Knight doesn't have projectiles so he has to approach you. Oh, sorry, I forget, projectiles suck in general in SSB anyway. Uh, NO THEY DON'T. They seem to suck because otherwise they'd break the game. If you don't believe they would, play any game where ranged options would seem only decent and not the Game Breaker they're probably considered as, that doesn't revolve around ranged options before you say "Mega Man" or something like that. If you're still saying Meta Knight is getting past projectiles anyway, guess what? Playing defense does not require using projectiles exclusively or possibly even at all. You are forgetting about melee attacks. What, Meta Knight is using them himself? Except Meta Knight is attacking and can easily be not focusing as well as his opponent. I am defending and putting in full focus to throw off any attacks. And since you're attacking, if you can't win, you lose.

I really can't believe the insultingly low intelligence that post displays. Yes, it's the whole of a single post on page two of a topic about Meta Knight's weaknesses. He uses the same sort of sarcasm I use so he can basically say that Meta Knight has no weaknesses. He is not even making any useful contribution to the topic, which of course he won't be punished for thanks to Smashboards' hypocrisy, despite the fact that he has TWO pages of evidence that Meta Knight has weaknesses to try to dispute, and he just makes an argument that kills itself.

Oh, but apparently, he may be saying Meta Knight has no weaknesses that matter. For starters, it's not even clear he would be. Strike one. And he's not backing up his argument at all, so that strike two. And he must be thinking Meta Knight's lack of projectiles at all can't possibly phase him. Strike three, he's out.

Addendum: And Smashboards provides another shining bit of their intelligence:

"remember, no-one ever gets hit by any move slower than 8 frames, because that's theoretical human reaction time"

For those confused, games run on a frame by frame basis. Generally, they run at 60 Frames Per Second when there's no lag issues. Brawl is no exception.

So what am I wanting to point out? Well, let's divide 8 by 60. We would get 0.13, bar over the 3 but that's irrelevant. So where's the problem? Simple: THEORETICAL HUMAN REACTION TIME IS 0.20 TO 0.25 SECONDS!!!!! I'd expect video gamers would have better than that to be sure, but not by that much. I'd wager probably 0.16 seconds, which would be about TEN frames, not 8, and that might actually still be pushing it anyway. Granted, I don't exactly mind a bit of speed in the metagame, if to keep the strategy from becoming stagnant, but dodging EVERY move even the tiniest bit slower than 8 frames would require being a Fragile Speedster, something any number of people cannot conceive being. Way to have good standards as usual, Smashboards.

And for the record, if you want to prove me wrong about how Meta Knight's lack of projectiles can mean something, or something like that, my FC is 0903-3155-2367, and my Skype name with which to contact me on for setting up a match is Master Knight DH. I'll likely use Ice Climbers if I realize you are trying to do so, and if I do use Icies, I assure you that you will never have to worry about the deathgrab, and probably never see intentional desynching (the technique, not what can happen when using Gecko OS), which I actually hold nothing against since it doesn't provide any reward aside from additional options that are frankly fitting for Icies.

However, I'm not done showing how stupid the SHFGs are.

Going to their tournaments cost money

Okay, this isn't a problem if you regularly travel, but if you are having to spend money for other reasons, it's stupid to have to spend a lot of money to go to a tournament just to get gayed out in the first round by something cheap. Don't believe me? I had to spend $400 on a pathetic cheap room (not nearly as bad as the $7500 house in Earthbound that has to be seen to be believed, but that says NOTHING, of course, the cheap room is STILL stupid) just for a local tournament where you have to reach I believe FIRST PLACE just to be able to MAKE UP the $400. Only top 3 even makes ANY money back. No. Thanks!

NEVER supply your system to be able to practice

If you supply your system, you have to win EVERY practice match that comes up or you will be forced off it. YOUR OWN SYSTEM. First off, that rule is bull. If the other guy can win, they don't need the practice as much. If anything, the WINNER should go off. Or actually, the guy who provides the system has a right to use THEIR system for practice when the system isn't needed for tournament matches. They are supplying it. They should be allowed to stay on if they want to practice. It may not be selfless, but it is a reason for them to supply their system, and should not be met with being stamped over.

In closing, SHFGs suck. They dare bring their BS onto the internet. They must leave the internet forever.

If anybody else has something to add, go ahead and do so.
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Comments: 22

RiotRandy [2016-12-09 16:54:33 +0000 UTC]

Competitive gaming is just so cancerous.
I do question why you bother with tournaments though... after seeing all of this.
I hate anything related to competitive or tournament play though so that's probably just my instincts.

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MasterKnightDH In reply to RiotRandy [2016-12-20 02:18:58 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I don't participate in tournaments. People just talk about gameplay like you have to be exploitive tournament scumbags to have a valid opinion. Rather hard to get around that. It gets to the point where I make a list of Cloud's weaknesses and people claim I just suck at the game and don't understand a damn thing, please ignore how Cloud gets the complaining he deserves in his gameplay alone.

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MegaSparkZX [2015-07-25 20:21:40 +0000 UTC]

They're just people who doesn't want to have fun. what's the point of that?

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SleeplessNight10 [2014-03-27 14:24:39 +0000 UTC]

Oh no you have to get first place or be good to get payed with a prize WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED!?

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MasterKnightDH In reply to SleeplessNight10 [2014-03-29 04:00:02 +0000 UTC]

Oh I'm sorry. I can't hear you over you claiming I'm ranting about prize money itself when the only thing CTRL+F churns up is my comment about having to spend to go to tournaments, thus turning FIRST PRIZE into a zero-sum game when SSB is imbalanced. Yeah, no, I don't think so.

Also, I'm going to laugh off your claim that I suck and go back to playing Kid Icarus Uprising to pwn more of the idiots there. By the way, matches there are about 2 minutes long each and I used Black Hole on a guy who coincidentally used Energy Charge twice as well as Tirelessness, Slip Shot, and Quick Charge, a combination I actually was unfamiliar with. I happened to have suddenly spammed it on the guy, so no doubt I'm some idiot who got lucky to have killed him twice as a result.

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SleeplessNight10 In reply to MasterKnightDH [2014-03-29 18:14:34 +0000 UTC]

How does that Kid Icarus stuff relate to anything at all. And Christ did you say it in excruciating detail.

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MasterKnightDH In reply to SleeplessNight10 [2014-04-02 15:35:34 +0000 UTC]

Well, you're claiming I deserve to lose money in so much as triple digits amounts of dollars just because I'm not one of the "better" players at a game that proves imbalanced.

And yes, SSB IS excessively imbalanced. Let's compare to Kid Icarus Uprising. That game still has imbalanced stages like Windy Wasteland. It still has cheap items like Daybreak and the Smart Bomb. It still has stupid things like Evasion+ which allows for mindless wins that can't be dealt with by something like Grid Reading. And it still has KITING. Yet even though most of my matches are on randoms, my win-loss ratio exceeds 2:1 because I can both get an idea of what is going on and how to fight back. And it has NOTHING to do with the chance that I'm being ghey somehow with something like Shot Cancel+ Brawler Claws, because I use a freaking Skyscraper Club, totally the best weapon ever for hitting anybody. That totally doesn't need Black Hole, a power that is even blocked off from usefulness by various powers to the point where if it did need it I would need to come up with a concept called Grid Reading so that those powers can't throw me off.

Can SSB say it has a counterbalancing factor like KIU managed with Grid Reading? I know DI ain't it.

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SleeplessNight10 In reply to MasterKnightDH [2014-04-02 22:41:05 +0000 UTC]

You're comparing a fighting game to a third person shooter, completely different genres with completely different game mechanics.

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MasterKnightDH In reply to SleeplessNight10 [2014-04-03 03:06:27 +0000 UTC]

When KIU uses SSB mechanics like the ukemi and smash attacks to begin with.

What does SSB do to make sure guys like Bowser, ROB, and Link don't suck anyway? That has nothing to do with genre.

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SleeplessNight10 In reply to MasterKnightDH [2014-04-03 03:27:22 +0000 UTC]

Those characters are completely capable of not being shit when they're used correctly.
It's starting to sound like you just don't want to get better at the game and instead expect it to cover your ass in every situation you make a bad choice. You shouldn't expect a fighting game to keep every character equal in every aspect ever, that's an unrealistic expectation and a retarded one at that.

Also as a response to a part of your last reply, if you're going to put money into a competitive tournament you should at least be GOOD at the game whose tournament you participated in if you want to get some money in return, that is how this shit works.

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MasterKnightDH In reply to SleeplessNight10 [2014-04-17 05:01:35 +0000 UTC]

That's funny how after having tier lists putting characters like Link so low that you claim they can stand against general beeswax such as chaingrabs. Oh hey, the key to using characters whose strengths get wasted if they never get hit is to not get hit. Oh wait, THAT DOESN'T WORK!

I expect the game to reward me for working with preference, NOT for abusing something everybody does.

And hey, how about this: SSB needs to actually not have bullshit like unconditional flinching in the first place. It has that, so I have every right complain without needing to spend TRAVEL MONEY.

How about YOU prove the characters can miraculously work in general. Kid Icarus Uprising needs a META-MECHANIC to make things manageable for power weapons. What does SSB do to fix the damned issue?

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MetalSmasher86 [2013-02-28 04:42:25 +0000 UTC]

I consider myself somewhat of a competitive gamer, but I wholeheartedly respect my opponents, no matter what tactics they use or how good they are. Stop Having Fun Guys give not only hardcore and competitive gamers a bad name, but they give gamers in general a bad name as well. You think Smash Bros. SHFGs are stupid? Check out this message some SHFG sent to Activision calling for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 to lock out anybody whose Kill/Death ratio is less than 3.0 from playing online at all:

"We only demand that we should only be able to play against those who have shown themselves to be of superior skill and mind such as ourselves. Beasting against the scrub's in random games get's boring since they really don't know their place and they really don't do anything correctly other than feed us effortless kill's over and over again. This new system would see them staying where they belong, circle-jerking with heir scrub friends offline over what's cheap while we, the true and rightful owners of MW2 compete amongst the best of the best in true, glorious combat with pride and honor on the line."

Now THAT is arrogance at its absolute worst. Screw those people.

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MetalSmasher86 In reply to MetalSmasher86 [2013-02-28 04:44:57 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for the double post, but when I submitted it the first time it asked me to log in, and I didn't realize logging in also submitted the message.

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MetalSmasher86 [2013-02-28 04:38:45 +0000 UTC]

You think Smash Bros. SHFGs are stupid? Check out this message some SHFG sent to Activision calling for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 to lock out anybody whose Kill/Death ratio is less than 3.0 from playing online at all:

"We only demand that we should only be able to play against those who have shown themselves to be of superior skill and mind such as ourselves. Beasting against the scrub's in random games get's boring since they really don't know their place and they really don't do anything correctly other than feed us effortless kill's over and over again. This new system would see them staying where they belong, circle-jerking with heir scrub friends offline over what's cheap while we, the true and rightful owners of MW2 compete amongst the best of the best in true, glorious combat with pride and honor on the line."

Now THAT is arrogance at its absolute worst. Screw those people.

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cylun [2011-04-03 06:53:54 +0000 UTC]

DI exists

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MasterKnightDH In reply to cylun [2011-06-04 17:35:30 +0000 UTC]

Hey, telling me DI exists is a great idea. Hey, while we're at it, you can also watch my Advance Wars videos and then tell me that Light Tanks and AA Tanks exist.

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Fofa [2010-07-20 06:16:43 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I have to agree with this post: the SHFG are arrogant bullies who are like trolls in using the internet to get away with a lot of what they do, but also wreck people who just want to have fun, which is what I do. I don't abuse glitches or overlooked tactics; I just fight with my own wits.

"If I wanted to die every time I made a mistake, even one that shows the "right" move is in fact horribly counterintuitive, I'd just go and play I Wanna Be The Guy."

That statement made me laugh.

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MasterKnightDH In reply to Fofa [2010-07-23 04:36:01 +0000 UTC]

Exploits, you mean, not overlooked tactics, which could end up meaning anything. But yeah, fighting with your own wits is always better.

Nice to know I made you laugh.

And meanwhile...

"remember, no-one ever gets hit by any move slower than 8 frames, because that's theoretical human reaction time"

Yes, another shining bit of intelligence from Smashboards. I'll add it to the rant. Yes, I know, you may seem confused, but I'll get to it soon.

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Fofa In reply to MasterKnightDH [2010-07-23 06:05:01 +0000 UTC]

I've never played with those SHFG people at all, so I don't really know about what means what.

"'remember, no-one ever gets hit by any move slower than 8 frames, because that's theoretical human reaction time'

Yes, another shining bit of intelligence from Smashboards. I'll add it to the rant. Yes, I know, you may seem confused, but I'll get to it soon."

Forehead, meet my desk (WHAM!) People don't have instant reactions like our video game characters do!

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Klobb17 [2010-07-20 05:52:30 +0000 UTC]

*low whistle* It took me a while to realize this was for Super Smash Bros., lol
Though, I guess this could apply to anything, really. And not just to video games, either. After a quick glance, all of the points seem valid. I'll be honest, though, I've only played SSB: B twice, both times offline and with friends. I DO know one thing, however: Tiers are for qweers!
And, I can only assume this is for some flame-war on another site?

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MasterKnightDH In reply to Klobb17 [2010-07-20 06:11:06 +0000 UTC]

You read the whole thing quickly?

*sigh* Anyway, I'm letting off some steam. There's only so much a person can take after all.

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Klobb17 In reply to MasterKnightDH [2010-07-20 06:13:50 +0000 UTC]

I'll be honest, I didn't read all of it (it IS a rant, after all...). I skipped from point to point, checking every little bit. I also have a shit resolution on my monitor, so a third of the page was invisible.
But hey, what I did read, was alright.

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