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novabuster5 [2023-06-16 01:59:50 +0000 UTC]
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DyzaGhost [2017-06-01 23:01:18 +0000 UTC]
Demi-Fiend has buffs, debuffs, and almighty attacks. Not only that but Masakados is gonna make impossible for Issei to harm him as he doesn't have almighty attacks, and he needs to activate Penetrate. However, by the time Issei even thinks about using it, He's a good as dead.
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mrjir93 [2017-05-27 21:23:39 +0000 UTC]
It really does depend on what point of the story Issei is, after all as said by the comments below, the Demi-Fiend can undo the buffs and debuffs, so even if he uses both powers of Ddraig and Albion, it will mean little difference, and ultimately if you use Issei as he started out it will be such a curb-stomp that it won't even be funny, so I'll just assume that you are using Issei at the end of the series.
I can't see Issei winning, as you said they have things in common, but the nature of their powers and their circumstances are what set them apart, Issei is an idiot, nobody can deny this, and thus he adapted his powers with the kind of mindset of a Shonen perverted protagonist, powers to be a pervert in the case of fighting women, and brute force when fighting men, if power didn't cut it, then more power would, the problem with that mindset is that it has been proven wrong time and time again in his own universe, and it's only because he's had friends that he has come out of it alive, on the other hand the Demi-Fiend has been alone from the start of his adventure, and he couldn't go all Shonen because he was going to get obliterated if he tried, the demons were not his friends, their loyalty was to the strongest, aka the Demi-Fiend, with the exception of Pixie and Dante, the Demi-Fiend had to be smart, strong and ruthless to survive, the Demi-Fiend developed a variety of diferent attacks and defenses, and while Issei can make small underhanded strategies, that is Naoki's speciality, then there are things like Masakados, that block everything that Issei can dish, while it is true that Β Ddraig does have the ability to Pierce, from what I understand it has to be invoked and by the time Issei realizes that, it may very well be over, as Naoki is not new to fighting dragon opponents, in short it's the battle of one with strong specialized power, but way too easy going and thus did not develop as much as he could have because he was given a lot of options, vs someone with a strong varied power, that had to improvise and adapt in order to survive, so yeah I believe Demi Fiend wins
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blarg7865 [2015-09-26 00:54:39 +0000 UTC]
The Demi-fiend would win.
Apart from the above stated reasons, the SMT cast in general would have the advantage against Issei thanks to being able to manipulate and nullify stats. Issei could boost a whole bunch of times, and then Naoki would just use a debuff or Cancellor ability to take all of Issei's built up skills away.
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AlbionGwiber In reply to blarg7865 [2016-06-06 07:47:26 +0000 UTC]
You are forgetting, Issei has Penetrate ability. which is immune to any cancellor.
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blarg7865 In reply to AlbionGwiber [2016-06-07 06:38:35 +0000 UTC]
Here's the quote from Issei's page from the Wiki.
"Later it (Boosted Gear)Β gains ability of Penetrate to bypass any defensive abilities (including Rizevim's Sacred Gear Canceller) that would otherwise prevent his attacks from landing, however it does not negate the deactivation of Balance Breaker."
Nowhere does it state the ability makes Issei immune to any chancellor. It was Issei's Diabolos Dragon form that that overpowered Risevim's sacred gear chancellor, because Issei had become to powerful for the ability to work (Sacred Gear Chancellor, unlike Demonic magic, cannot work on anyone above a certain threshold of power). Penetrate doesΒ NOT prevent the negation of his stat increase however, So Dekaja would still would work. And Dekaja is a demonic magic spell, not a sacred gear that cancels sacred gears -_-'
To be frank, Penetrate sounds more like the SMT Pierce ability, which allows physical attacks to hit the opponent at normal damage even if the opponent is resistant, immune or able to absorb the attack. The Hitoshura's REFLECT ability however would reflect the damage back at Issei or anyone else who had either Pierce of Penetrate as an ability.
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original-eseer In reply to blarg7865 [2019-04-06 19:49:32 +0000 UTC]
plus, even if it DID end translating as pierce, that just means its piercing HIS resistances if DF has physical reflection. although i feel like he would use masakados or whichever magatama gives freikugal.
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PeteTheGrouch In reply to blarg7865 [2016-06-09 22:16:43 +0000 UTC]
Finally - someone who knows what they're talking about.
Issei's cheap-ass bullshit can't compete with Hitoshura's hard-won skills. Β
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PeteTheGrouch In reply to blarg7865 [2016-03-13 01:55:44 +0000 UTC]
Exactly.
I admit, I haven't yet watched the entirety of Highschool DXD.. But, from what I can gather, Issei's whole modus operandi basically revolves around boosting himself repeatedly while simultaneously debuffing his opponent until he can eventually overwhelm them... Thing is, Hito has the PERFECT counter to this, in the form of two very simple spells: Dekaja & Dekunda.
Dekaja instantly strips the opponent of any accumulated buffs, effectively returning them to base strength.. Meaning - just as you said - Issei could boost himself as many times as he wanted; in the end, it wouldn't matter, 'cos with a simple wave of his hand, Hito could simply "reset" him, just like that...
Dekunda is much the same, only in reverse - it instantly nullifies any debuffs on Hito himself, thus immediantly returning him to his normal strength!
To put it simply, Hito has just the right tools to deal with Issei...
I'm not saying it would be completely one-sided.. Buuut - yeah, I think the Demi-Fiend takes this one quite comfortably.
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RCpersonagirlXIV [2015-09-08 01:24:21 +0000 UTC]
The outcome is seemingly obvious who's going to win
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RCpersonagirlXIV In reply to RCpersonagirlXIV [2015-09-25 22:12:34 +0000 UTC]
I know Demi-fiend's power is measureable depending if you get the ture demon ending or his ideration, but still he's pretty dang powerful have you seen him in DDS.
The other guy I have no idea then again he could win as well death battle is a battle of equals and only one can win
So my bet is on Demi-fiend
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BasedHitoshura [2015-03-12 23:46:31 +0000 UTC]
Demi-Fiend stomps. Unless Hyouodou can survive millions of universes all collapsing on top of him at once, he's not even in the same league as Demi-Fiend.
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metalshadowinsanity In reply to BasedHitoshura [2015-03-13 23:17:21 +0000 UTC]
The whole "blowing up the multiverse" was a one-time thing. want me to write a script?
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BasedHitoshura In reply to metalshadowinsanity [2015-03-15 23:52:43 +0000 UTC]
Go ahead. It won't do you much good, considered Hito's multiversal+. There's no way DxD is even universal.
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metalshadowinsanity In reply to BasedHitoshura [2015-03-19 00:21:42 +0000 UTC]
These are the restrictions on the demi-fiend: Only Unique/iconic skills/focus, no healing spells, no items, no allies, cannot implode the universe, cannot change magatama while fighting, Masakados only resists nocturne elements, MP limited, but will regenerate. Is that more even?
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BasedHitoshura In reply to metalshadowinsanity [2015-03-19 02:34:13 +0000 UTC]
Nope. Gaea Rage can still wipe out Hyoudou in less than five seconds. Go watch the bonus boss battle with Hitoshura in Digital Devil Saga, and you'll see just how OP he can get.
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metalshadowinsanity In reply to BasedHitoshura [2015-03-19 22:02:55 +0000 UTC]
we'll be using the attack stats provided in smt nocturne, not DDS. sure, gaea rage is strong, but issei's no slouch when it comes to defense. you'll need to see the prelude before making a final call.
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BasedHitoshura In reply to metalshadowinsanity [2015-03-20 13:00:01 +0000 UTC]
Even in Nocturne, all of the Demi-Fiend's attacks were powerful enough to deal serious damage to Lucifer, who's second only to YHVH in power. Keep in mind that YHVH is omniversal, and you realize just how much of a stomp this is.
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metalshadowinsanity In reply to BasedHitoshura [2015-03-20 22:07:52 +0000 UTC]
calm down. lucifer was holding back a LOT during that fight. and issei beat the hell out of his descendant vali. Yeah, the demi-fiend would still probably win, but not in the "totally one-sided beatdown that the demi-fiend wins instantly by simply existing" way you imagine it.
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BasedHitoshura In reply to metalshadowinsanity [2015-03-22 01:17:01 +0000 UTC]
The DxD Lucifer is nowhere near as powerful as the SMT Lucifer, so comparing those two is just wrong. This is so far from a far fight that it's laughable.
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metalshadowinsanity In reply to BasedHitoshura [2015-03-22 16:38:51 +0000 UTC]
*le sigh* Fineβ¦ i'll write the battle and show you otherwise. because clearly this is getting nowhere, but one last thing. The demi-fiend lost to a trio of computer-demons. And that was when he had backup.Β
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BasedHitoshura In reply to metalshadowinsanity [2015-03-22 23:30:22 +0000 UTC]
Looks like you need to redo that battle. The Demi-Fiend was the single hardest boss battle in a game with a universe buster, and that was when he used his weakest attacks and demons. Even then, he still had the capability to wipe out the entire party with one move. Even then, that was just his solar data.
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metalshadowinsanity In reply to BasedHitoshura [2015-03-28 17:13:34 +0000 UTC]
Issei's power doubles every ten seconds, blows up mountains with his MISSED ATTACKS, and has a weapon called the longinus smasher that can kill any diety or obliterate entire dimensions when at full power. and my original point wasn't that Naoki was weak, it was that he's not as invincible as you say. and in death battle there is NO OUTSIDE HELP. Meaning no Uber-pixie, no dante, No fiends, no backup of any kind. And during the DDS fight, Didn't earth magic and ORDINARY BULLETS manage to hurt him. Now please wait for the battle prelude. Good day.
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BasedHitoshura In reply to metalshadowinsanity [2015-03-28 17:27:14 +0000 UTC]
Ordinary bullets hurt him, much like punching a building damages the foundation. Did you see how much health he had? Besides, you already said Hito wouldn't be allowed to implode dimensions, so why aren't you applying the same restriction to Issei?
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metalshadowinsanity In reply to BasedHitoshura [2015-03-28 17:56:55 +0000 UTC]
I was using it as method of comparison, showing that Issei also had moves that were CAPABLE of imploding dimensions and killing gods. What I was trying to do was prove that Issei is strong enough to be able to pose a challenge to the Demi-Fiend.Β
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BasedHitoshura In reply to metalshadowinsanity [2015-03-28 18:24:36 +0000 UTC]
That makes much more sense. Thanks for explaining. Still, Issei needs to charge up his universe-busting attack, while the Demi-Fiend can do it instantly.
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metalshadowinsanity In reply to BasedHitoshura [2015-07-30 16:08:17 +0000 UTC]
actually, the universe imploded due to kagutsuchi being destroyed, and marogareh's piece ability was the ONLY reason the demi-fiend's attacks even scratched Lucifer. stick around for the prelude.
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BasedHitoshura In reply to metalshadowinsanity [2015-08-05 02:35:01 +0000 UTC]
I don't even need to refute that. Issei isn't on the same level as Lucy, and therefore is beneath the Demi-Fiend.
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