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maxalhw [2021-02-08 17:26:42 +0000 UTC]
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Unb3kann1 [2020-01-13 21:15:54 +0000 UTC]
-20°C ( Russia and Kanada start laughing )
Cool tank tho.
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Airborneleaf [2019-09-06 22:54:04 +0000 UTC]
There is a multitude of problems with this, but hey different strokes. I just want to know heavy is this supposed to be? And how much contact area is there for the tracks?
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ImperialTerran [2019-07-01 02:09:24 +0000 UTC]
L/74? The Europeans went to a L/55 and are now looking at 130mm L50 and 140mm at that length balancing the barrel and keeping it from drooping would be an issue.
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Inverse-demon [2019-02-18 19:14:09 +0000 UTC]
this is so awesome! great job!
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buckyalt [2019-02-08 01:50:59 +0000 UTC]
That's a big boi
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William2124 [2019-02-04 05:17:20 +0000 UTC]
Whats the crew complement?
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MrJumpManV4 In reply to William2124 [2019-02-04 08:03:47 +0000 UTC]
also i forgot to elaborate on their individual roles, 1 driver, 1 gunner, 1 commander and an extra for operating various systems (e.g. operating the UGV, sensor mast, LAWS, extra optics, maintenance etc.)
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MrJumpManV4 In reply to William2124 [2019-02-04 06:42:20 +0000 UTC]
crap i forgot to mention. there's 4 in the crew compartment located in the front, similar arrangement to the T14 and a few others i believe. I'll try and make more images to elaborate in the future.
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William2124 In reply to MrJumpManV4 [2019-02-04 08:11:14 +0000 UTC]
Its an oversight no big deal. You might think about making the tank an automatons or remote commanded tank why risk an experienced crew?
I would say three crew.
Driver
Commander
Weapons
I would use an auto-loader for the main gun (its ECM) also it your using the shell as a heat sink you need to remove it from the tank just after its fired. No one wants hot metal rolling around in a small confined space. If the barrel is not rifled (like the ABRAMS) you could have the shell eject forward like a discarding sabot.
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MrJumpManV4 In reply to William2124 [2019-02-04 18:17:07 +0000 UTC]
there is another version that is a UGV that can potentially be remotely operated by another Caracal tank.
the problem with UGVs is that you need to be fairly close to have a reliable and secure connection. so it'll always need another command vehicle nearby.
the fourth crew member is necessary to operate the extra systems, as it is 4 is not enough to operate every system at once.
in addition, there are a lot of systems that need maintenance, so an extra hand is also helpful.
The main turret is completely unmanned, the crew is all situated up front in an armored capsule separate from the rest of the tank.
Thus the ETC gun is also an autoloader. the shell casings are dropped through a hole in the center of the turret ring, it can drop through
all the way to the floor since there's no crew section under the turret.
Theoretically the casings could eject out the forward, but the current casing shape i have doesn't allow for that.
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AkityMH [2019-02-04 02:06:00 +0000 UTC]
this inspires me.
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Spacemanspiff1998 [2019-02-03 17:40:14 +0000 UTC]
this looks fantastic but it has far to many flaws and would not work in a real battlefield lets begin by discussing all components of the tank and what works and what doesn't.
"cutting-edge layered composite armor" composite armor isn't very cutting-edge considering it's been around for 30 years but it is used on almost every modern tank and there is a reason for that
"electro-hydropneumatic suspension system" Most MBTs (except for the american and Russian ones) use a hydropneumatic suspension so this is a good addition to a tank
"100kW laser weapon system" slow down General Townes you can't (legally) use lasers on people in war but the US navy is testing laser point defense systems to defeat missiles and even kinetic rounds so it could work, just don't point it at somebody
"1900kW/hr battery bank" uhhh no, there is a reason why every Modern MBT runs on gas, if you run out your buddy in his HEMTT Tanker will be there for you but if he isn't around you can always "borrow" some from a local shell station. Even if the pumps are broken, Destroyed or the crew doesn't have the cash to use them you can always siphon some out. You can't request a mobile generator to "refuel" your tank, you can't siphon electricity from a broken Tesla charger and if the local power plant has been bombed to pieces those charging stations are as useful as your tank once its out of power: not very. also 80KM range is laughable compared to the 500KM most modern MBTs have.
annother massive disadvantage is all the electronics WILL fail once the tank starts taking hits, going over obnoxiously large rocks, being peppered by Jihad Johnny's AK.. the list goes on and it's the reason why modern MBTs use good 'ole fashioned Levers and peddles for controlling and the good 'ole tryed and true Mk.1 Eyeball. also the advantages of having a unmanned turret are overshaddowed by the fact that if you want to see whats at your say 8 Oclock you need to turn a camera and if it is broken then you are not going to be gazing into the eyes of jihad johnny as he sneaks up on you with a large brick of C4, a Leopard 2 command will just turn his head, look johnny right in the eye and then blow him away with the MG3
another point to make: its to big to useful, it wouldn't fit on a railway flatcar or inside a strategic airlifter making it hard to deploy the tank anywhere but locally, there is one place where this tank would outshine even the best MBT, static defense: this tank would kick ass and take names if used as a mobile bunker with it's thicc armor, countermeasures, advanced weapon systems throw in some solar panels or a mobile generator and you would have a MBT that would make any invading army nuke forrests out of fear that one of these suckers are hiding within it.
one more thing, if this ever had to do urban operations.... jihad johnny would have a field day
in conclusion it looks cool af, would be good as a mobile bunker, great for plastering on propaganda posters but at the end of the day i would still buy a Leopard 2A6
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MrJumpManV4 In reply to Spacemanspiff1998 [2019-02-03 21:56:04 +0000 UTC]
a few points I agree and disagree on.
-"cutting-edge layered composite armor" is a very general thing to say, the fact that it's composite is what's cutting edge, it's the materials the composite is made out of that makes it cutting edge. composite is not a singular thing, there's room for advancements in composite materials.
since I'm not a material design expert I couldn't tell you what it would be exactly, but I'd imagine it'd be something similar but more advanced than the Japanese type 10 triple hardness steel, some variant of modern CNT-MMCs.
-Laser technology as far as I'm aware is not illegal in themselves, if I'm not mistaken it's only illegal to use on people if it's a blinding weapon. Though it's purpose is not to kill or disable people, it's primary use is as an anti-drone and anti-systems weapon, disabling sensitive
optics on enemy vehicles. One of the most difficult parts on an enemy tank to get past is the APS, if you can damage the sensors it will make the enemy's APS much less useful. but yea, in summary, it's not designed to kill or disable people.
-Personally, I believe tanks will start going in the direction of unmanned turrets more and more in the future, the benefits outweigh the disadvantages way too much. I'm not sure if you noticed but the Caracal is also plastered in cameras on every corner and sides to increase
crew awareness. they would likely use a system similar to VR/AR (virtual and augmented reality) to utilize these systems. There are also many redundant cameras in case many of them fail for one reason or another. The only thing I forgot to add on to them is a self-cleaning system for mud and dirt.
-The tank does not run exclusively on the 1900kWh batteries, they are supplementary, there is still plenty of room for the diesel engine. I perhaps should have made it more clear in the description, but you can see it pointed out on the lower image. it's a 1800hp diesel engine.
the batteries are really a sort of 'last mile' solution, so it can operate at very cold temperatures relative to what the diesel engine would put out, while also remaining very quiet with the electric motor drives.
-the big point I agree with is the fact that it's too large to be road or rail transportable, it is mainly air transported. I didn't exactly design this to be restricted to real-world logistics since it's a fictional design, though it's usually a consideration I did make that a concession.
I agree in that I also think it would be a great sort of loitering vehicle, it could potentially run indefinitely on the battery power if it were to remain stationary for long periods of time.
as for urban operations, I would hope this thing would stay as far away as possible from urban environments, I might make a variant that is better suited for those situations. An L/74 length barrel at 120mm would be a nightmare to navigate.
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doug7070 In reply to Spacemanspiff1998 [2019-02-03 18:57:35 +0000 UTC]
You've missed the mark on a lot of points here.
On the armor: Composite armor has existed for a long time, but the actual composition and properties of the armor are unique to different packages and have been consistently upgraded over time. A modern composite armor system has a great deal more to it than its predecessors from decades ago, and will continue to evolve as new armor technologies and materials are implemented. 'Composite armor' is an umbrella term that encompasses many complex factors.
On the laser: It's illegal to use a laser for the purpose of blinding troops in combat, but there are numerous other applications, such as damaging or destroying UAVs and missiles, all of which are fair game under military law.
On the engine: The engine is diesel-electric, meaning it uses a diesel engine to drive electric motors rather than a traditional mechanical transmission. The vehicle still runs on liquid fuel just like every other MBT (which all run on diesel, not gas, there's a big difference), but is augmented by the hybrid battery so that it can run in a fully electric mode on demand. You can fill up the fuel tank and have it drive just like any other contemporary vehicle.
On the electronics: All modern and future MBTs do and will rely on electronic systems to function. Modern MBTs are reliant on electronic fire control and battle management systems, commanders' sights, remotely operated weapon stations and turrets, active protection systems, etc. in order to be combat effective. It's not possible to be a battle-ready modern MBT without relying on electronic systems, because your Mk. 1 Eyeball can't accurately range a target at 2 kilometers away for high first shot hit probability, see in the dark and with thermal imaging, or automatically adjust for windage and gun tube heating all at the same time when a few seconds separate you from destroying an enemy tank or being destroyed yourself.
If you think a tank without electronic vision systems can see its 8 O'clock when you're relying on the commander to either stick his head into the line of fire or peer out of his tiny cupola vision blocks, I've got bad news for you as well. Having basic fail-safes to make the vehicle operable in an emergency is all well and good, but you cannot be an effective fighting vehicle without relying on electronic systems, which are now as much a part of the modern tank as the mechanical linkages of older generation vehicles. These electronic systems are also hardened to military standards, meaning that they're as durable as anything can reasonably be, including standard mechanical linkages, which are no less subject to wear and tear or damage.
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sifuhuci In reply to Fuego-fantasmal [2019-02-03 17:04:50 +0000 UTC]
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Arqueid [2019-02-03 13:36:00 +0000 UTC]
-20C are not extreme conditions.
+50C to -50C - this is the default range for RUS tech, for example.
This sensor mast looks cool, the idea is cool... but it's like a huge lamp for the enemy radars.
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MrJumpManV4 In reply to Arqueid [2019-02-03 21:58:27 +0000 UTC]
Yea i might change the temperature range a bit, I'm a good ol' American so I didn't realize -20C isn't very cold.
the sensor mast is deployable, so it's fairly low and compact when it's not extended, though i might add a shield around the winding cable part to reduce RCS a bit.
Even with RCS reducing paint, this tank would not be the most stealthy by any stretch of the imagination.
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Haired In reply to MrJumpManV4 [2019-02-04 03:48:57 +0000 UTC]
It's -39°C outside right now. Welcome to Siberia! 😆
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MrJumpManV4 In reply to Haired [2019-02-04 07:30:38 +0000 UTC]
Even in the US, Minnesota got all the way down to -48C recently during the polar vortex, i'll have to edit the image to change those temps.
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Misone In reply to Arqueid [2019-02-03 17:37:52 +0000 UTC]
Honestly, the amount of technical gubbins sticking out of that turret, provides an absolute forest of surfaces for radar to reflect off of, and all of those electronics are going to be producing heat wile active, which the tank will have to somehow contain and vent if it doesn't want the entire hull lighting up like a flare on FLIR.
Also, a vehicle like this would make the F-35 look simple and inexpensive. This vehicle would cost a kings ransom per unit, and be an absolute nightmare for maintenance and reliability... and the ETC gun system sounds like a solution in search of a problem.
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MrJumpManV4 In reply to Misone [2019-02-03 22:06:24 +0000 UTC]
Though i agree the RCS would definitely not make it the most stealth design on radar, even with RCS reducing coatings. There are some tank designs that have the same problem with RCS, such as the M1A2 SEP.
The IR signature if anything would be lower than any modern designs since it would utilize Peltier to move the heat to less visible places. It's also capable of running on battery power
for quite a long time before switching back to diesel, reducing the IR signature to even lower than that of any modern ICE driven tanks.
The ETC gives much higher velocities without having to increase the caliber of the weapon. Armor is always advancing and weapons are always in a race to stay one step ahead.
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NotThatName [2019-02-03 10:20:41 +0000 UTC]
Really detailed. Author did great
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SheTheTDE [2019-02-03 07:41:53 +0000 UTC]
I love pop up tanks like these.
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SheTheTDE In reply to MrJumpManV4 [2019-02-03 12:55:31 +0000 UTC]
It doesn't fold up very much mind you. My favorite pop up tanks are the ones that fold up into basically a block with wheels but then it unfolds so much it's like a transformer.
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MrJumpManV4 In reply to SheTheTDE [2019-02-03 22:12:45 +0000 UTC]
yea I would have much preferred to have everything fold into a concealed box, but there is only so much interior space available. most people would probably say the turret is way too big as it is.
the 40mm turret does, however, fold down into a fairly concealed position when lowered.
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SheTheTDE In reply to MrJumpManV4 [2019-02-03 22:22:13 +0000 UTC]
oh yeah the interior space
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