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For Winterheart , a FrostIron fic by goddamnhellaRejoice! goddamnhella has decided to break the UST!
Sadly I still can't draw people kissing
Hm.. I don't know how to title this one, lol. Ideas? goddamnhella ?
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damn ahhhhhhhhh I am so happy I found youuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!! FROSTIRON
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I found this image while scrolling through Pinterest. I stared at it for ages before noticing the name written down - I had to find your art style, now here I am. I love the realism - the style in general even it's amazing.
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My god this is beautiful. The way Tony's eyes are closed, the way the subtle glow from his arc reactor complements Loki's blue skin, the way Loki is hesitating...That moment before they finally let themselves kiss. yes.
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Even if they were gay they'd be the single most unlikely couple, so I don't understand people's sick obsession with Toki porn.
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Hmm, wonder how you stumbled upon this beautiful fanart then? Repressed, hypocrite, or both? I wonder.... *eye roll*
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Gee I dunno, I looked up Marvel related art and found this rape of a piece?
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My my, the homophobe is offended, oh dear. Trust me darling, I have a higher IQ than you could ever dream of having, yet sadly the stupid never realize their stupidity. *sigh*
And this is by no means a "bastardization". It's a work of art. And why would Tony and Loki work as a couple? Hmm, I wonder!
1. Both are sarcastic, snarky geniuses.
2. Both have overwhelming daddy issues.
3. Both are complicated characters with complicated pasts, trying to make up for the wrongs they've done (and if you say Loki isn't, pick up a comic for hells sake, or actually analyze the character beyond his appearance in The Avengers.)
4. They compliment each other. While in most pairings one individual is the 'snarky one's while the other isn't, that isn't the case here. They banter, they both give as good as they get, they WORK.
5. My, what egos these two BOTH have.
6. Tony, with his intellect, is the most logical choice for a human lover. Loki wouldn't consider many mortals worthy of his affections - Tony is an exception for obvious reasons.
7. Regarding Tony's intellect, he's one of the only Avengers that could possibly match Loki's wit.
8. There are so many other logical reasons why this pairing works out, but I'm done wasting my breath on you.
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People who have to say they have a high IQ usually don't have much of one - which is evident yet again by a very critical oversight on your part... #9. They're enemies who despise one another, and #10. THEY'RE NOT GAY - which in turn negates 1 through 8. Loki's crazy and can take on the form of a woman, so maybe he'd dabble in such behavior, but Tony?? Nope, he's a healthy, fully functional ladies man. Love and sexual attraction are two totally separate things but it takes both to generate romantic love, and Tony is not sexually attracted to men, so that component is missing. Contrary to your warped view of reality, men and women are naturally attracted to each other because nature evolved animal species to survive by means of procreation - the purpose of sex and sexual attraction. Nature isn't perfect, however, and glitches do happen which cause a minority of any species to have malfunctioning sex drives. You seem to be under the infantilized impression that the commonalities of these characters can override their biology, but Tony has shown no signs of any dysfunction in this respect, so it's not gonna happen. You can pretend I'm being homophobic but really it's just being logical.
If someone took a famous gay character and made them straight in an image like this then there'd be a massive backlash of triggered people losing their minds. It's wrong to distort someone else's creation in such a way, and there's nothing homophobic about pointing this out, it's just the truth. So get your thumb out of your mouth and grow up. Seriously though, where does this mentally ill notion even come from? There was zero sexual friction between them, so I have no idea where something this absurd even began.
PS: Even George Takei, a well known gay activist, agreed that it was flat out wrong to fundamentally alter someone else's original creation like this, (In his case the character, Sulu, being depicted as gay in the Star Trek revamp movie, 'Beyond'" and he is 100% correct. As a gay man himself, it took fair amount of integrity and decency to make that point. Good on him. We also have to take in mind the rights of the actors themselves, who's likeness is essentially being raped in these images. If you took a Holywood woman and depicted her getting fucked in the ass like a number of these pornographic Loki-Tony images, then you'd see a drastically different response. It's invasive, disrespectful, and vulgar.
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actually, it was never confirmed what tony nor loki’s sexuality is, so therefore, they can be gay ( unless it was cannonly stated, and if it was, my apologies. i haven’t seen the entire mcu. )
i see your point, as in taking alec lightwood from shadowhunters and making him straight is totally wrong and disrespectful because he is gay and it is stated in the show, so therefore it is cannon.
and off norse mythology, loki didn’t exactly always go for women. he had shapeshifted into a female horse and had an affair with a male horse and gave birth to a horse ( something along the lines of that, i don’t pay attention to mythology that much either. )
honestly i have no idea??? but that’s just my share on this thing.
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I can see your point about Tony, but I feel that's a product of the time he was written in. A character's sexuality was never in question. However, you're totally right about Alec Lightwood! He is a perfect example of an original character, created for an original series, and being gay is and always was, one of his traits. As such, writing him straight would be incorrect and disrespectful in any iteration of the character. This is the kind of writing we need to see; where people come up with their own creation as opposed to painting over someone else's.
As for Loki: The Loki of comics is different than the mythical Loki of Norse mythology. Though loosely based on him, Loki of comics has always lusted after women, and only used seduction of men or shape shifting bestiality as a means to an end. That being said, Loki being bisexual is not unrealistic, I just don't see it being possible with Tony.
Most importantly though: There are many similar depictions of these actors on Deviant Art that are actually quite vile and invasive by comparison. Pornographic actually. It doesn't matter if it's queer or hetero, no one has the right to create sexualized depictions of another person without their permission. It's exactly the same level of disrespect that Kanye West showed other celebs with the nude wax depictions in his video 'Famous'. Taylor Swift in particular being naked on his arm next him. He's a married man lusting after another woman who wants nothing to do with him and essentially violated her for shock value. What he did was unacceptable, but the artists behind these portrayals seem to think that being gay gives them a licence to do exactly that. This entitled mentality they're showing needs to go.
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ah, i understand what you’re getting at.
i respect your opinion, and honestly theres nothing wrong with it, despite myself being a huge frostiron fan because i’m already going to hell.
this drawing isn’t that bad in terms of nudity and sexual depictions, so it’s not as bad as the pictures that honestly have myself questioning the human race.
i also doubt this couple will ever happen, especially after loki almost killing tony in that scene where he shoots him out of the window, and how tony does mostly go for women ( although idk maybe he did go for men at one point ), but honestly i really don’t know.
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Thank you 
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I'm only going to state two things because holy hell, there's no reasoning with you. You may claim not to be a homophobe, but you're as homophobic as they come.
#1 Loki IS canonically gay. Pansexual in fact. Not only in the comics is he canonically pansexual and genderfluid, but in Norse Mythology as well, which is as canon as you can get.
Loki is a shapeshifting trickster god. He frequently changed into animals, women, etc. and he had affairs with men, women, and animals alike. He's both a father AND a mother. He's canonically LGBT+ even outside of the Marvel-verse.
#2 Regarding Tony, this is FICTION. Boo hoo, people make him bisexual in fanfiction (because yes he loves women, no way does he just like men). Why do people do this? Tony is a sexual deviant, it's plausible he's slept with men. Yes, canon states otherwise but again, FICTION. Tony and Loki work, if Tony was attracted to men.
Goodbye you homophobic piece of shit, even if you reply I'm done with you. And don't even think for a second that means you've 'won' or some other idiotic reasoning. You're not worth wasting another minute of my time on.
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WRROOONG! Lol, you have no idea what you're talking about! Loki in the comics is loosely based on the original Norse mythology, but women have always been the objects of his lust. Anything else like seducing men, or fucking animals, is a form of manipulation, a means to an end for power and self-deification - his only true love. He's a self absorbed douche, no wonder so many girls like him. As for Tony, he was never written as gay or even hinted at it. End of story.
Even though this is 'FICTION', it's still someone's intellectual property and these actors are still REAL people who have rights. If you were famous how would you like it if some smut artist painted a pornographic depiction of you and your body undressed getting rammed by Donald Trump? "Oh I thought you guys would make a good couple"... Just think about that for a few seconds. You log on and see that... how do you feel? And on that note, Loki and Tony would NEVER make sense, even if Loki were a woman, because Loki is the dark incarnation of everything that Tony hates about himself and has struggled to outgrow. That's practically the core of Tony's character development - Didn't you notice that? If Tony were to have a gay partner then clearly it would be Bruce Banner. As ridiculous as that sounds, it's at least a logical choice by comparison to Loki.
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Easy there little snowflake, why the hell on earth are you bitching about someone else's art? As simple as it is close the damn tab and go on with your life! There's no need to come to the comment section and spit out shit to others, this is ART! A form to express things we like, you don't like it? DON'T WATCH IT! There! that's all you've got to do buddy
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I find it amusing that you'd attempt to reverse this on me yet here you are losing your mind. It doesn't matter if it's art, it's a violation of the two actors and a defamation of someone else's creative property. It's not YOURS to vandalize. It's because I respect 'ART' that I don't respect this. So there,"buddy" you just got rebutted. If you don't like my comment then don't respond to it.
PS: Let's face it; if this were a famously gay character depicted in a hetero relationship, or sleazy porn pic like many of the other ones on DA, then you'd lose your shit and call it homophobic. Grow up and show some respect for people and other artist's work.
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Bro the actor who mades "loki" has seen the fan art and went on to laugh it off! If they don't take it seriously SPECIALLY RDJ who only laughs and jokes around on it... Why do you!? Your comments are nothing but a way to show out your homophobia, as I said don't like it? just close the tab stop bitching out and screwing someone else come on! Live and let live
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Of course they laugh it off, because sanctimonious zealots like yourself will call them homophobes if they don't. Pointing out the truth is always a quick way of getting excommunicated from being cool in the public's eye these days. If some infantilized brat hears something contrary to a popular narrative, then suddenly you're demonized as a horrible person. Oh and get the definition of homophobia straight... (Best pun ever) A phobia is an uncontrollable, irrational fear of something: I don't fear people with a disability, but I have no respect for those who use double standard logic to justify violating someone's body. Being gay is not a justification, and neither is calling it art... Pretty soon you'll be justifying pedophilia too...oh wait, there already are people trying to do that. Uncivilized animals.
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I don't see why you had to make this into a federal fucking issue. 2016 is when you posted that first comment, like perspective here. Nobody is getting emotionally or physically hurt by this, it is based off a fannfic of fictional characters after all. When you have a creative mind it is easy to get burned out coming up with original ideas, drawing fanart with a twist is a good way to catch the attention of a wider audience and stop yourself from getting creatively constipated.
I write fan fiction because sometimes while I am writing on my book I just run out of ideas and I need to write something, anything so I don't run into a full on writers block. That and its really fun to write a story where I just throw my friends into funny and ridiculous situations with their favorite characters. I made this one clusterfuck of a story just for the challenge of it based in the Soul Eater world with my girlfriend, my sister, one friend, me and all our favorite characters from like five different stories including Loki and Thor, it is such a challenge to keep their characters intact while trying to to make them fit into a story where they don't exactly belong but it is fun as hell. Characters are a product of their background or childhood, imagining how different an established character would be growing up differently or in a different scenario is a good way to practice understanding that characters' core personality and then you can translate that understanding to an original character. Art on the other hand... well I can't do any original art other than abstract... I shake too much to draw an original character.
About the "Tony isn't gay" thing I have come to realize that well written relationships are best done with an open mind to what their sexuality could be, some characters have great relationship potential but that may never come about if you go in assuming they are gay or straight, a fanfic isn't that much different.
You aren't going to like the same things everyone else does so there's no need to trash on things you don't like. There's no need to put that kind of negativity out there, it doesn't just hurt the people scrolling through reading your comments but sitting and stewing on this for two goddam years is too much. I like to have constructive debates and let me tell you some conversations aren't worth having. Some things aren't worth getting angry or annoyed over. Some rando gay fanart is one of those things. Just let this conversation die mate.
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I never let a conversation die when someone replies, regardless of it being positive or negative feedback. For one, it's not polite to not reply, and two, discussion and intrigue are important for human growth. That being said, I can't agree with you because if this were a depiction of a female star having sex with someone she doesn't desire, especially if it's a white, cis gender male, then this would be publicly ridiculed and removed. This isn't as much about the artist's creativity, or the fictional characters, it's about the actors who are real people having their faces and bodies misused. Most of these twisted fan fics are straight up porn and completely disrespectful to the actors. Being gay is not a justification to do that with someone else's body. They seem to think their disability gives them a free pass to do what they want, no matter how corrupt, but it doesn't. This is but one of many bullshit portrayals out there, many of which are porn depictions that really need to stop.
I can understand draw of fan fiction because I'm also a writer who dabbles in a little of that too, but I respect the intellectual property of the other writer, and use real life people who give me their permission - like in the case of your friends - not actors whom I don't know. If I write a fan fic, I make sure the characters are IN character, because they're not mine to change. There's a line between exploring different possible sides of a character and just flat out distorting them. I'm equally critical of poorly written fan fics as I am with smut pieces like this. If I see character choices based on the writer's bias, I slam it. If I misrepresentations of their strength and combat abilities based on the writer's bias, I slam it. Calling it a fanfic doesn't excuse the deliberate distortion of these characters, nor does it make it alright to create disgusting pornographic images of the actors, like many of these artists have, no matter how thick skinned the actors may or may not be.
Let's get real here: Tony and Loki have absolutely zero relationship compatibility, even if they were gay, because Loki is everything that Tony dislikes and has outgrown in himself. Love the character, but I acknowledge Loki for what he is; a self absorbed instigator. A lot of these images are made by immature girls who haven't outgrown their hopeless infatuated with the bad boy, and don't understand relationships. They've grow up with the Disney formula of two lovers not liking each other at first, then falling in love. That causes them to misinterpret Tony and Loki's sass off as some sort of absurd sexual tension. It's the mindset of someone with a poor sense of relationship dynamics, or possibly from a dysfunction family. Then of course you just get gay perverts making porno out of their favorite celebs, which is really degrading and sick.
It's not about what I like or dislike, this is fundamentally wrong on both a creative and ethical level. The only reason anyone defends these is either personal bias or they want to seem progressive and accepting. As for keeping the debate going, if I start something, I finish it. Too many people in this generation have no work ethic and run from their problems, or simply choose to label and ignore people who don't agree with them, but if I start a discussion about something and someone takes the time to write a reply, then I get back to them.
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I just want to get one thing straight (ehehe) before I continue, did you say that being gay is a disability? Because I am gay and disabled so I know that there is massive difference. And I do have to zero in on this first because in my experience most people dodge these questions.
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Yes, no offense intended, but all available information leads to that conclusion. We don't full understand the brain yet or what causes it, but if you look at it from an evolutionary and survival perspective, we do know that sex and sexual attraction are designed specifically for reproduction between males and females. From a scientific perspective, homosexuality is essentially a glitch that occurs among a small portion of any species, causing the affected organisms to be incorrectly attracted to the wrong sex. If a person is unable to find the opposite sex attractive sexually, then they can't mate and can't create children, thus they have a disability of sorts. Until a method is found to prevent or correct the disorder, we're basically stuck with artificial methods and adoption to help homosexuals have children. It's good that we try to help gays these days as opposed to treating them like shit, which is uncivilized, but I do feel that many people are delusional when they don't acknowledge it for what it is, or like in this particular case, use that compassion and support to justify sexual harassment by these perverted artists. I feel that's wrong.
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If you have to say no offense then you know what you are going to say is clearly offensive. If homosexuality is an evolutionary glitch or hindrance it likely wouldn't it wouldn't evolve in so many species of animals, it would be weeded out through natural selection. There is an evolutionary benefit to it or it wouldn't exist and it wouldn't keep popping up. You can think whatever you want, I'm not going to thought police you but you make it very clear that you know that this is offensive and hurtful to certain people so maybe keep it to yourself and not be a dick. That is not something you have to say out loud for any reason. If you are so concerned about these actors being offended by some rando artwork then it is hypocritical to go around and make people feel broken for their sexual orientation.
I would like to address the story again. Spoiler warning for anyone wanting to read it. The fanfic this art is based on is actually very accurate to the characters personalities which is why I love it so much. It takes place after the first Thor movie and is based on what would happen if Loki held on to the staff instead of falling into the abyss. After which he is banished like Thor was, at this point he isn't evil like in the avengers movie, just unsure of who he is and bitter (mostly about his heritage). at this point Tony hasn't become iron man yet and is still trying to bury all of those skeletons when he trades his freedom for Pepper's and becomes trapped in the castle "prison" where Loki was banished to with Natasha and Clint. Its grand because every single interaction between these four is so fucking true to their personality, one of my favorite parts is when Clint asks when he's gonna get his bow from Tony and he replies "I'll deliver it up your ass next week". I believe you are looking at this from a post New York attack but at the point in the timeline where this takes place Tony and Loki are compatible partly because they are both at their lowest point.
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I know people take offense to it, but a lot of people take offense to just about anything. Frankly I'm used to dealing with emotionally weak and irrational people these days, so I always prepare them. It's a common flaw between different species of animals, that doesn't mean it's an evolved trait. Once again, evolution evolves traits for practicality and survival. And no, natural selection doesn't weed out even half the problems that species have. If you think there's an evolutionary benefit to it then name it? That's right, you can't because it makes no sense. It's no different than anxiety or depression popping up, or how about cancer?? Cancer is a genetically predisposed commonality between species too and it clearly serves NO purpose other than to kill you.
I'm pointing both because I need you people to understand that your problems don't give you a free pass to victimize other people. This entitlement stops here.
And no the story you just described is not accurate at all and clearly fabricated by a warped mind. If you'd said that about Bruce Banner then I'd get it, but the even then that's just ridiculous.
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Did I mention that most people get offended when you insult them. Its not really irrational its a natural reaction like putting your arms up when someone goes to punch you in the face.
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Being offended from the truth is irrational, and the sick artists who made these paintings clearly didn't care about who they were or could be offending, so why should I show any more regard for you? You're brushing off everything I'm saying about the paintings being offensive, so now I chose to put you on the hotseat. That's why I brought up all this stuff about homosexuality being a dysfunctional behavior. Now you know how it feels for someone to disregard your feelings.
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Your opinion is not the truth its your opinion. If it is offensive to you then alright I get that, but actors are separate from the from the characters they portray, if you insult Loki for being a total jerk to his brother you aren't insulting the actor you are insulting a character who doesn't exist. You don't get to argue on the behalf of an actor either, that takes away their agency to give their own opinion and I think that could be just as offensive. Unless you are directly quoting them you are warping their image. Insulting someone because you think they are trying to offend you isn't clever or edgy or clever unless its obvious satire. Satire in that context has the potential to be really funny btw. I personally don't think that someone should be forced to censor their art because it might offend someone, no matter what you do someone is going to be offended, me cosplaying offends people so does me being a girl that is probably going to wear a suit to her wedding. Unless you are directly or purposefully trying to hurt someone you shouldn't have to give up what you love doing because someone doesn't like it. There is a huge difference between being offensive and being vicious. It's intent. I try to base my opinions on a persons action on intent, sometimes its hard to tell so I try to avoid passing judgement until I can tell. I will admit that I can be combative at time but I do my best to hold an actual debate of ideas instead of insulting someone directly. I'm getting better.
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There's a difference between insulting Loki the character and making a depiction of Tom Hiddlston ramming RTJ up the ass... If someone made a painting of you getting rammed by Donald Trump, assuming you're not a fan of his, then how would like it? I don't have to argue on their behalf and agency has nothing to do with this: Even if they don't say anything that doesn't mean this isn't incredibly invasive and rude. There are plenty of times that girls will get rude comments from guys and not respond, or even laugh it off while being creeped out inside, but that doesn't mean that the guy wasn't being rude. And if you love making rude depictions of people then I think there's some growing up to do here.
What if I somehow saw you and decided, yup, I'm gonna take the liberty of making naked picture of you fucking whomever I feel you should be fucking -and I want all the girls out there to think about this too. What if someone decided to make a nude picture of you, without your permission, fucking someone you don't want to fuck, Just because they're celebrities in the public eye doesn't mean that they don't have rights, and doesn't mean that this garbage is appropriate.
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Explain how the story is warped then because you didn't. PS: Your opinions don't give you a pass to victimize other people. PS X2 combo: I don't have problems.
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Later, I gotta get to work. To be continued.
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Man the best fucking comment of the year! Being gay is a disability... Like... Come on man what's wrong with you? Do you really hold on that grudge so much or hate that much? I don't see a real reason for you to be bitching out about this so much! There's a saying and I think you SHOULD take it... "Live and Let Live" also... being gay it's not being "uncivilized animals"
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Nothing's wrong with me, read what I wrote again with your brain this time, not your emotions. You're insecure and defensive about what I'm saying so your reflex reaction is to slap a narrative label on me. It can't possibly be logic or facts that guide my assessment, it must be hate because you're hearing something that you don't want to hear. I don't know if you have any education in evolution or biology, but think of this with a grain of logic for s second: Do you honestly think that nature evolved men to crank their dick up another man's anus? SHIT comes out of there! What would possess anyone to perform an unsanitary, deranged, and mentally unbalanced act like that? Or how about women? Do you think nature designs women to manually masturbate each other while not producing children?? From a survival perspective it makes about as much sense as a dog humping your leg. It's fundamentally ridiculous no matter what label you try to slap on me. The purpose of sexual attraction is to create babies -->Fact.
And yes it is uncivilized because the social structure of civilizations hinges on the stability of families and raising the next generation to be productive and hardworking. If children grow up in a world where people use each other as objects of their sexual amusement, where is our bond as humans? What happens to our ability to work together for the betterment of our species? Nature is one half of the equation, and nurture is the other half of how people become who they are. Ancient civilizations used social constructs such as religions to counter the natural flaws of humans as an animal species. Their methods were cruel and based on superstitious nonsense, but a necessary evil for the times they were created in, as there was so scientific way to fix the problem. Sadly a scientific solution still eludes us, but we're in a better position to show compassion for those in need. That being said, the barbarism of promiscuity, gender hysteria, and homosexuality go hand in hand in tearing down society because civilizations need order and balance between the sexes. They need us to perform our natural and intended function. We are currently in a state of regression back into savagery. All great civilizations that ever fell collapsed from within, and that same corruption, selfishness, entitlement, and complacency is currently corroding the foundations of ours.
I don't believe in cruelty to people with these problems, but nor do I accept their distorted views on reality, OR the idea that being gay gives you a free pass to violate people's identities and intellectual property in a perverse way. It's this exact indifference that you're showing here that proves my point even further. Look how shallow you are while disregard rights of others because this perversion suits you. Pure selfishness.
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Obviously nature did evolve it or it wouldn't exist and you are very concerned about gayness for someone who is straight and not perverted at all. Most people who are that obsessed with gays and how they have sex are usually gay and ashamed of it. "No offense intended". The way people have sex has never brought down a civilization by the way.
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Nature evolves creatures with the intention of practicality and survival, but it isn't perfect. People don't wear glasses because nature evolved them to, they wear them because it's a flaw in their genes. Same goes for people with a predisposition to anxiety or depression. These are often hereditary and beyond their control, so is homosexuality for the most part. And no, me having common knowledge of gays doesn't mean I have any interest. Far from it. In regards to sex: You're not seeing the bigger picture: Dysfunctional sex drives aren't a huge problem because at least most of the population doesn't suffer from that. We'd be enduring the fate of the panda by now if that were the case, but a much larger portion of the population are at least partially bisexual, a less severe version of being gay. When people were taught that being gay is bad, civilizations kept it to a minimum and even the bisexual portion of the population were being more mature and having families. Despite how bad homophobia is, the nurture aspect of turning people away from homosexuality as at least partially successful and beneficial. However, we're developing a selfish hookup culture now, which ultimately spreads a toxic mentality of objectification. Bisexualism is more often than not a product of sexual boredom. People become obsessed with sex and self gratification over caring the quality of people they spend time with, or about character. As result, society corrodes from within. It's but one of many forms of corruption and decadency in civilization. A facet of the worst form of corruption: Greed, which ties into many areas of human nature that must be corrected.
Personally, I don't like how gays were treated in the past, because they were irrationally hated instead of being treated like anyone else who has a problem that is not their fault. They shouldn't be hated, they need to be helped. It's not even gays that are the bad ones, they're just unfortunate, it's bisexuals who are the worst and most corrosive. Sadly any sort of correction is currently out of our reach, but in time these conditions will be preventable though genetic modification, most likely CRISPR.
PS: In response to your longer comment that you deleted: I know people take offense to it, but a lot of people take offense to just about anything. Frankly I'm used to dealing with emotionally weak and irrational people these days, so I always prepare them. It's a common flaw between different species of animals, that doesn't mean it's an evolved trait. Once again, evolution evolves traits for practicality and survival. And no, natural selection doesn't weed out even half the problems that species have. If you think there's an evolutionary benefit to it then name it? That's right, you can't because it makes no sense. It's no different than anxiety or depression popping up, or how about cancer?? Cancer is a genetically predisposed commonality between species too and it clearly serves NO purpose other than to kill you.
I'm pointing both because I need you people to understand that your problems don't give you a free pass to victimize other people. This entitlement stops here.
And no the story you just described is not accurate at all and clearly fabricated by a warped mind. If you'd said that about Bruce Banner then I'd get it, but the even then that's just ridiculous.
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Dude I am not unfortunate or corrosive (I lean more gay but am slightly bi). There is nothing to fix with people who are different. There aren't even any facts behind you're opinion you are just repeating yourself without explaining yourself. Are you bot?
PS:I didn't delete anything.
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Like I said: We know little about how the brain works so far, and we still need to figure out what causes homosexuality and gender issues to occur, but we DO know that animals experience sexual attraction for mating. We also know that it's a common trend for societies to push for more functional sexual relations to ensure prosperous growth. It's common sense. I feel like I'm talking to a climate change denier or flat earther.
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People who are gay can still mate if necessary meaning it doesn't impede their ability to continue the species. We don't have a problem with low population so it isn't an issue right now (another reason why it shouldn't matter to you in my opinion). What I am trying to say is that having having a small population of people that are different from the rest is helpful in many cases. People who aren't straight are a product of genetic diversity, this kind and other kinds of diversity are incredibly important to the health of a population of animals. The lack of genetic diversity can cause a host of genetic related illnesses. Most aspects of genetic diversity are either helpful or benign to someone's everyday life but it also blocks serious genetic problems. Considering the fact that all life came from sexually ambiguous and hermaphroditic creatures, homosexuality is one of the least surprising things to exist.
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We do have a population issues, hence the excessive amount of immigrants we're taking in (Which is not a good thing in the cases of incompatible cultures, if you're realistic). Diversity in excess is disorganization, especially in the case of cultures that hate each other, or ones with barbaric practices that goes against everything we believe in. That includes barbaric cultures that hate and believe in killing gays btw. It's not racist to say this, it's a fact. They quite often take their problems and antiquated beliefs here, and we don't need that. Nothing wrong with having diversity, but at a more patient rate where they can learn from us, and us from them. Taking the good elements of our respective cultures. When we take in too many, too fast, they tend to stick to their own and not seek to adapt or join in the rest of the country. That leads to cultural fragmentation, which is disorganized. Unified cultures like China will be doing far better.
Homosexuality does impede the ability to reproduce because their instincts are misguided, even if physically capable of doing it. There really isn't much of a choice for them. Most animal births in nature are the product of what we as humans would call rape, so a homosexual in the wild would typically be raped because aggressive males don't tolerate non-compliant females. Male homosexuals in the wild would be simply useless and consume resources. Just because it occurs naturally doesn't mean it's a good thing. Rape, pedophilia, homosexual activity, and violence, are perfectly normal occurrences in nature, but they're also things we want to outgrow. I have no doubt that homosexuals as people in human society are equally capable of greatness and contributing with their minds, just look at Leonardo, but that has nothing to do with their sexuality. They're people like anyone else.
Homosexuals don't contribute to genetic diversity because they don't reproduce. The diversity you speak of has to do immune system diversity, as in biracial children who gain the benefits of different gene pools - which is a good thing. There's a difference between genetic diversity and mating instincts that just flat out don't work properly. Homosexuals are no different from any other human, aside from malfunctioning mating instincts. As for intersex individuals, they suffer from a deformity that renders them physically incapable of reproducing in most cases so I'm not sure what you're thinking there. Once again, nature is not perfect, but we're learning how to make it better with genetic modification.
I feel you're only seeing things in the short term: Human life began on this planet but we're going to have to leave the nest eventually and expand into the universe. There's no room for complacency, petty social squabbling, or genetic flaws, we need to be more ambitious. We won't survive if don't start thinking ahead. Our planet has had natural disasters and mass extinctions many times over even without human tampering; meaning that planets are not safe to live on, so we only have a finite amount of time if we want to exist.
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please re upload the link somewhere, i am dying to read this and Off The Record...they sound amazing but ao3 has no work like that!!
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Why are you doing THIS !! This pics are so emotional!! Now I'am going to have dreams about this too getting married!
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Hot!!!!!!!! I love Tony and Loki you my friend have drawn the sexiest picture ever!!!!
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Oh look, a photographic reminder of just how much I love FrostIron.
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Standing there, with nothing but small inches of cold air separating them, it would have been a simple matter to excuse the moment Tony’s thumb brushed the corner of Loki’s lips as an accident. But neither of them said a word, even as Loki’s gaze flickered to Tony’s mouth and away again. It was easy to lean in after that, even easier for Tony to clench his fingers in grey fur and tug him just that little bit closer.
“Have mercy on me,” Loki whispered finally, his voice cracking. He was pleading against Tony’s mouth. “Ask for your freedom. I’ll grant it.”
There it was. Just one question, just a handful of words and he’d be able to walk on out of there. But Tony knew he’d already made his decision; made it the moment he’d seen a shadow of lonely grief buried under all that noble control.
“I don’t want it,” he told Loki, and kissed him.
End of chapter 11 Winterheart , a FrostIron fic by goddamnhella
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