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NatsumeWolf In reply to ToxicF4ux [2019-12-12 21:02:52 +0000 UTC]

Lol yeah I see quite a few vegans using this line. 

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Guardian-of-Urk In reply to NatsumeWolf [2020-01-20 17:45:02 +0000 UTC]

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NatsumeWolf In reply to Guardian-of-Urk [2020-01-29 00:30:13 +0000 UTC]

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ToxicF4ux In reply to NatsumeWolf [2019-12-12 21:50:29 +0000 UTC]

lolz!

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NatsumeWolf In reply to Rasa88 [2019-11-02 07:49:23 +0000 UTC]

The 422 people who faved it seen to think otherwise. Honestly if you don’t like something you’re under no obligation to view it. It’s a waste of time and effort since you won’t bully or harass me into thinking your way. It’s just a drawing-pencils on paper. Get over it.

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Groyd In reply to Guardian-of-Urk [2019-07-19 06:27:33 +0000 UTC]

This guy gets it ^

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NatsumeWolf In reply to Guardian-of-Urk [2018-10-15 13:53:37 +0000 UTC]

The joke was for a meat eater to eat a vegan to save an animal. But honestly I should have worded it " save a animal, eat a human"

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Guardian-of-Urk In reply to NatsumeWolf [2018-10-15 16:57:21 +0000 UTC]

Ooh, I see now

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Rasa88 In reply to TalesofOlde [2019-10-30 22:51:09 +0000 UTC]

Being opportunistic is one thing, being part of a gluttonous factory holocaust is another.

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TalesofOlde In reply to Rasa88 [2019-11-01 00:28:42 +0000 UTC]

And not all livestock are raised in factory farms. Though, fun fact about that, keeping other beings for food isn't even unnatural in itself given the fact that several species of carnivorous ants do it.

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Rasa88 In reply to TalesofOlde [2019-11-01 01:36:34 +0000 UTC]

Doesn't matter where they're raised, they're still being exploited, tortured and slaughtered. 
Hardly a fun fact, survival vs convenience and greed are two very different things. Cherry picking behavioural traits from wild animals/insects to justify our actions, seen that before. 

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TalesofOlde In reply to Rasa88 [2019-11-01 13:48:28 +0000 UTC]

“They’re still exploited, tortured, and slaughtered.”

No, no, and yes depending on whether or not they’re for consumption. Deep down, humans are still animals. Our heightened intelligence when it comes to building and problem solving is really the only thing that sets us apart. You can also bet your ass that when it comes down to it any of the creatures we interact with on a daily basis would do the same to those smaller than them if they had the ability to do so. Carnivorous ants don’t need to keep other insects for food but they do so anyways because it’s convenient for them. How do you think the adults feel when they have their wings ripped off and their larvae taken from them? I’m not cherry picking my evidence at all - I’m merely pointing out that it’s not unnatural to keep other species for consumption or other purposes.
You’re the one who immediately condemn all in this business all because you’ve seen how factories treat their animals ( which isn’t right at all ) There are people out there who raise livestock with the utmost respect and treat them with digninity. It actually isn’t common practice to take the calf away from their Mother because the Mother cow produces more milk than the calf can drink. Factory farms don’t care about this fact but literally every other farm will keep the calf with their Mother unless she’s sick or injured. Here’s what happens to cows if they don’t have the excess milk their producing pumped - their udders explode and it results in a terrible and painful death. Cows NEED to have this excess milk pumped or else this will happen. Sheep? Much happier being shaved because their wool will grow to the point where it can cause heat exhaustion, blindness, and other nasty things. We need to return to a more humble lifestyle as a whole to ensure these animals have the best lives possible and they DO in many settings outside of the big factory business.
My friend took three bullets in the back while working with elephants suffering from PTSD in Africa - he is doing more for the animal community than the people who preach about what heroes they are for giving up meat ever will and he still eats meat. Tell me, despite all he has done, does that make him a bad person? No matter how this conversation goes it’s clear we’re not going to agree with each other so I guess at the end of the day we’re just going to have to agree to disagree

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Rasa88 In reply to TalesofOlde [2019-11-01 14:27:42 +0000 UTC]

Wild animals do a variety of things we wouldn't ever want to mimic in our day to day lives. People like you who comb through and pick one or two traits that suit their argument (ie. meat eating and keeping animals) fail to see the absurdity of them grasping at straws like this. That is cherry picking. It's not unnatural to rape, kill the offspring of another male/rival, fight to the death, kill those weaker than yourself etc but you don't want to try and stand up for those actions, do you? 
I've also seen how small, local farms operate - I condemn those also. The animals are still being exploited, tortured and slaughtered.
Which part of livestock farming do you think shows respect and dignity? Do you think that you can bring an animal into existence with full knowledge that you plan to kill them a few months later, drive them to slaughter (which many local farms do, they do not have the means to slaughter animals on their own property) and have them mutilated and killed? Is that respect and dignity? Remember that there is no such thing as a humane death. The animals sent to slaughter by local farms go through the same slaughter houses as those from factory farming. 
Do you realise that if a cow was never forcibly impregnated in the first place she wouldn't be producing milk right? So your whole 'We're doing it to help them' point doesn't hold any water. She wouldn't be producing milk if she wasn't pregnant, cows are mammals like we are and the amount of milk cows produce today is not natural. A cow would naturally produce around 4 litres of milk per day, a dairy cow will produce an average of 28 litres per day over a period of 10 months. 
We've bred these animals to be this way for our pleasure, do you think that means we should keep exploiting them? Or do you think we should stop breeding them into existence instead and choose a cruelty free lifestyle? 
What makes you say that? Knowing that these animals are still exploited, unnecessarily I might add, tortured and slaughtered outside of factory farms as they are inside them. 

Actually he isn't. He's doing more harm on an individual level. Removing animal products from your diet has the most impact on the animals, your health and the planet - and you don't need to wait for anyone to take action, just you. Animal agriculture is the leading cause of species extinction, ocean dead zones, water pollution, and habitat destruction. 
None of us are bad people, I do however count those who KNOW what happens and who still decide to continue funding the system a bad person, but that is me personally. All of us have been raised into this society of meat and animal products and we're all lead to believe it's normal, it's humane, we need it. We're given milk as children and told we need it for calcium, meat for protein etc. Every packet of animal flesh is plastered in labels with happy cows out in fields, hens with all of their feathers, happy pigs. They don't print images of calves being removed from mothers, mothers with mastitis infections or milk fever. Mothers being dragged off to slaughter once they're no longer profitable, mothers having their innards removed on the kill floor, calves still in their wombs. They don't show the hens featherless in cages, egg bound, all of the calcium and iron sucked out of them. Hens lay 10 - 12 eggs naturally a year, we've made them lay over 300. The 'chickens' that are sent to meat slaughter aren't chickens, they're chicks. They don't show them struggling to stand, suffering from heart attacks, they don't have audio files of them chirping. They don't show piglets having their teeth torn out, their testicles pulled off of them. They don't show the sows in their tiny farrowing crates going stir crazy.
Everything I've touched on there is only some of the horrors that go on in the industries and farms. We don't see that side of things. Making people aware of the suffering that goes on always shocks them, maybe people are disassociated from the animal when they buy the food product. If they're good people they'll act on the knowledge. 
So in your eyes who are the heroes? The people who refuse to take part in the cruelty listed above? The people who fight to end it? Or the people who try and defend it? 
To oppose veganism is to support animal cruelty.

There is no agreeing to disagree, that would imply that you had valid points, you're simply fundamentally wrong.

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TalesofOlde In reply to Rasa88 [2019-11-02 01:32:55 +0000 UTC]

And what exactly are you doing to end it? Are you raiding these farms? Killing the workers and taking people hostage? These businesses do not respond to silent protest and bitching on the internet, dear. They respond to damages that cost them millions in money, they respond to anger and they respond to rage. If anything - sitting online and voicing your opinion on how 'wrong' it is doesn't make you a hero. Actions make you a hero, not words and simply refusing to take part in something doesn't mean shit unless you're out there doing something. My friend eats meat, yes, but he's a hero in my eyes because he took three bullets to the back for animals that will most likely be extinct in the wild as early as 2021. As a Druid, I've seen how much care farmers put into raising their livestock in traditional settings in Ireland, Switzerland, and even some rural parts of America. If you honestly believe that 100% of farms don't give a flying shit about the animals that they raise then there's literally nothing for us to discuss further here. Also - rape is considered taboo in the animal kingdom given the fact that only genetically unfit males will try to rape a female as they are not suited to attract a female by fair means. So even in the realm of nature, rape is wrong. As for natural selection? I consider that a very healthy way to help combat overpopulation. I don't believe in euthanizing weak and or genetically unfit people but I don't believe they should be given anymore help a healthy person. There's a difference between purposely culling people you see as 'inferior' and letting nature do her work in deciding which among us are fit. It is only cruel because our society has the means to save these people when in all reality doing so only puts further strain on the system and our planet to support a growing population with nothing to combat us as a species. Again though, I respect your lifestyle and hope that you put the passion you put into the argument on here into your every day life. I wish you nothing but the best and for the Goddess to grant you a blessed year ~ <3

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Rasa88 In reply to TalesofOlde [2019-11-02 01:56:47 +0000 UTC]

We have nothing against the workers, they are as much victims of the system as the animals are - I personally have issues with the workers who are cruel on purpose, I don't think they're fit to work anywhere - but overall we do not hate the workers nor do we wish any harm on them. 
Silent 'bitching' on the street, cubes of truth depicting the truth actually does a great deal of damage to these industries. The more people we educate the more plant products are purchased over the animal products. Supply and demand, all they understand is money. 
Oh make no mistake, I'm talking to you because I'm practising outreach - I'm under no illusion that anything I say will make any difference to someone like you but, your arguments are fun to add to my list of daft things people might throw at me. 
Haha you're so wrong - words make action, everything starts somewhere. I'm actually taking part in activism. 
Don't you understand that animal agriculture is one of the largest contributors to species extinction? ''Animal agriculture contributes to species extinction in many ways. In addition to the monumental habitat destruction caused by clearing forests and converting land to grow feed crops and for animal grazing, predators and “competition” species are frequently targeted and hunted because of a perceived threat to livestock profits. The widespread use of pesticides, herbicides and chemical fertilizers used in the production of feed crops often interferes with the reproductive systems of animals and poison waterways. The overexploitation of wild species through commercial fishing, bushmeat trade as well as animal agriculture’s impact on climate change, all contribute to global depletion of species and resources''. Your friend is contributing by continuing to eat meat massively on an individual level. He's actually doing more harm. 
They don't care about them, no. As they're all sent to slaughter at the end of the day. They might care for them the same way any business cares for its products, but as for actual care, no they don't. 
I'm not going to talk to you about nature anymore - as I've already said you're cherry picking things animals do in nature and excluding other behaviours to suit you. 

''It is only cruel because our society has the means to save these people when in all reality doing so only puts further strain on the system and our planet to support a growing population with nothing to combat us as a species.'' - everything you've just said can be applied to animal agriculture. Continuing the consumption of meat is killing both the animals, us and the planet. 

As you should, I'll start respecting yours when yours stop having a victim. 

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TalesofOlde In reply to Rasa88 [2019-11-02 03:38:57 +0000 UTC]

Again, you have your own opinion and I have my own. I do wonder if it'll ever get lonely for you in that ivory tower of yours. Might I make a friendly suggestion that you may want to change your tune as coming off as condescending might hurt your message more than it would help it? "I'll start respecting yours when yours stop having a victim." Both sides have a victim, dear. If we do not cull our own population then animals that may come off as trivial to people like you will be pushed out of their homes to make way for extended agricultural practices. Did you know that certain vegetables are actually dangerous to grow in bulk? For example, lettuce produces more greenhouse gas emissions than bacon does. What will you do when crops fail? Your people offer only one part of a solution and hardly focus on the factors that could lead to a catastrophic outcome. Again, if we really want to cut back on hurting our planet then we must control our own population first. "He's actually doing more harm." Tell that to Merrah, the calf he helped overcome PTSD when she watched her mother, sisters, and aunts get gunned down and mutilated. When you've contributed on the same level as he has, then you can preach about how 'little' he's doing for the species of our planet. As for cherry picking, I hardly see how I am. I gave examples of how behavior such as rape is looked down upon even in a natural setting as males who do it are either killed or injured and hardly ever succeed. I also gave examples how one can employ survival of the fittest in our society by simply 'not' helping those who need more help than a healthy person would require to keep alive. Goddess bless you, friend ~

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NatsumeWolf In reply to TalesofOlde [2019-11-02 08:03:44 +0000 UTC]

Wow.. I’m so sorry that that person felt the need to comment on a comment you left over a year ago. Guess they had nothing better to do than harass people on my image. I don’t tolerate needles attacks so they will be blocked. They won’t be able to view my page or respond to your last burn if your curious why they are no longer responding. If they continue to harass you over this silly nonsense you can always make a report to the staff. Again, so sorry.

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TalesofOlde In reply to NatsumeWolf [2019-11-02 15:51:19 +0000 UTC]

All good! *Hugs* It’s honestly a shame that people feel such a sense of elitism nowadays that they feel the need to look down on others with their own opinions. These ivory tower folk really grind my gears especially when the majority of them haven’t honestly done anything noteworthy for the animal community yet still feel the need to talk down to those who eat meat such as my friend. Either way, it brought my attention to your work again and I just want to tell you that everything looks great and to keep up the good work

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Undead567 In reply to TalesofOlde [2018-04-19 07:02:11 +0000 UTC]

People are not fucking wild and don't live in wild habitat where survivilng is needed, we can easily live on a plant based diet and the only reason why we(vegans)do this is because IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING DIFFICULT AT ALL TO NOT BE AN ASSHOLE TOWARDS OTHER BEINGS. Your story is bullshit, deers don't kill rabits if they get all the needed nutrition. CowS on farms can eat recently-hatched chicks if they are not fed properly. The other thing is how the fuck they know that these animals have the needed staff is them. 

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TalesofOlde In reply to Undead567 [2018-04-19 11:34:50 +0000 UTC]

"Your story is bullshit." Really? You were there so you can provide a claim against mine? "Deer don't eat rabbit." Oh honey - they do if they have the opportunity. You see this is the issue - many people don't take the time to educate themselves. Nearly every herbivore on the planet is an opportunist carnivore meaning that they'll indulge themselves in meat if they have the chance. Even Cows that are well fed have been known to eat dead or injured birds while out grazing. "It's not that difficult at all being an asshole to other beings." Tell that to the Orcas who have been recorded to kill whale calves out of pleasure and don't even touch the carcass afterwards. Tell that to the Dolphins who've been known to rape and beat each other for no reason at all as they do not hinder their own survival. Hell - they even keep females prisoners to use them for breeding EVEN THOUGH these females are not giving them consent and any attempt to fight back leads to beatings and even depriving the female of a meal for the day. But it's just "nature." so it's okay that they do all of those things out of choice and not instinct right?

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NatsumeWolf In reply to TalesofOlde [2018-04-18 19:51:12 +0000 UTC]

Well said.

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Grey-Terminal In reply to Kale-Stars [2018-03-11 21:44:47 +0000 UTC]

would you eat a dog? or a at? But because you don´t see the farm animals and how they are killed it is totally okay...

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NatsumeWolf In reply to Kale-Stars [2017-02-17 19:21:32 +0000 UTC]

A lot of vegans didn't find this funny and attacked me for it... But the other month I was driving and I saw a car with a ton of stickers and it was quite apparent they were vegan and even they had this saying on their car! It wasn't my picture but just words that read " Save an animal eat a vegan "

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Kale-Stars In reply to NatsumeWolf [2017-02-17 19:24:05 +0000 UTC]

I have no clue why vegans seem to be offended easily? 
Okay, that's pretty funny! I want to know that person, seems chill if they have that on their car haha!

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Kaimed In reply to Kale-Stars [2017-07-22 19:20:35 +0000 UTC]

I think it is because when someone makes fun of someone elses suffering and something that is important to vegans they don't find it very funny. I personally think that making jokes about someones suffering and death is not cool at all. And in my point of view the so-called meateaters are the ones who get upset pretty quickly when talking with someone who is vegan.

Nice piece of art though.

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Groyd In reply to Kaimed [2019-07-19 06:32:15 +0000 UTC]

This is also my experience. What’s going on the the world (increasingly over the last several hundred years) is an animal holocaust. If you love an animal, you wouldn’t kill it! Obviously, a pig or cow has a similar or greater level of emotional capacity and the ability to feel and suffer just like an endangered species in Africa or the American domestic dog or cat. So I do get a little irked when someone says they’re an “animal lover” which really just means “pet and maybe also wildlife lover”

Release these animals. What’s happening in animal agriculture is worse than the kids in concentration camps in the southern US in my opinion, for the sheer number (tens of millions killed daily) if nothing else...

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GalbisMagazine In reply to Kaimed [2017-10-08 15:53:19 +0000 UTC]

THX in the name of a vegan hahaha good coment

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NatsumeWolf In reply to Kale-Stars [2017-02-17 19:28:41 +0000 UTC]

UUggh I tried to take a picture but it didn't come out since we were in motion. But I seriously wanted to take the picture and throw it in the faces of the people who had an issue with this image.

However, I just looked on Etsy and they sell shirts similar www.etsy.com/listing/468335006…

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Kale-Stars In reply to NatsumeWolf [2017-02-17 19:31:54 +0000 UTC]

Yeah haha, but they would probably saw "They are not a vegan then!!!11!"Sometimes I think most vegans are void of humour

Beautiful, I need that shirt now. It's funny how there are many shirts that say "Save animals, Eat humans"

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Undead567 In reply to Kale-Stars [2018-02-08 10:31:48 +0000 UTC]

Let's pretend like you're a nazi for example. And vegans are people who are fighting for the rights of Jews and black people, and jews and black people are the animals wo vegans are saving by not contributing in animal usage. And you make a "joke":"kill an anti-racist activist, save the Jews and black people"-and then activists are attacking you because you're a fucking idiot. So the other racist nazis come together and start making fun of the activists and trolling them for what they do.
Now does this situation seem funny or fair or clever(to an asshole-sure)for the normal person-I don't think so. So next time, when you "joke" put yourself on the place of someone who tries to save lives of innocent beings. 

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Kale-Stars In reply to Undead567 [2018-02-08 13:30:34 +0000 UTC]

But the difference is is that we are talking about animals and the natural cyle of humans eating the animals.
It's way different than protecting other humans.

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Grey-Terminal In reply to Kale-Stars [2018-03-11 21:47:26 +0000 UTC]

a natural cycle of overbreeding, inseminating artificial and keeping animals in captivity and killing them in young ages?

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Undead567 In reply to Kale-Stars [2018-02-08 13:38:30 +0000 UTC]

First of all, humans are not carnivores, we shouldn't eat animals or use them to live a full and healthy life. Because we can easily survive without that. Second-you're not a wolf or a lion, you have nothing in your body to go in the forest catch a deer with your bare hands and kill the deer without any equipment-you're not a hunter, not even close. So people using animals for their pleasure and comfort-has noting to do with the "circle of life".

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TalesofOlde In reply to Undead567 [2018-04-18 19:39:33 +0000 UTC]

Curious - why is it that animals like deer, horses, reindeer, moose, and pretty much any other herbivore can indulge in meat whenever they have the opportunity even if they don't need it ( which there has been plenty of evidence of them doing so and not for nutritional needs always either ) yet when humans do it it's considered heinous? No herbivore is 100% loyal to their diet and WILL indulge in meat if given the chance. I had a neighbor who kept rabbits outside in a little play area and a doe had stepped in and purposely broke the back of one of them and proceeded to eat it - take note that this is a perfectly healthy doe who was still fat from the abundance of foliage. She saw an easy meal that didn't require much of her and she took advantage of it. Ravens, crows, and vultures lack the proper tools needed to hunt for themselves yet they scavenge off of corpses.

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Kale-Stars In reply to Undead567 [2018-02-08 13:48:00 +0000 UTC]

Apparently you don't know how hunters work. Mostly all hunters kill animals to LIVE. They don't live in the fucking city. They kill deer, etc fr food and they also use pretty much every single part of the animals for clothing and shelter. Not everyone has the luxury to just go to the super market. And we don't have natural defense because we are evolved and know how to make stuff to successfully kill things.
That's true though, humans AREN'T carnivores. Theyre omnivores like bears, which are also the top dog of the forest. Meat has valuable proteins that our bodies need.
Also, don't assume everyone that eats meat is against saving animals. Me and many others, work hard to stop animal cruelty in factories, but we eat meat. Vegans aren't the only ones attempting to save animals.

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Undead567 In reply to Kale-Stars [2018-02-08 14:37:39 +0000 UTC]

Apparently, we live in a fucking stone age where people were not clever enough to have a normal job to get food. And don't start with the "luxury" of going to a supermarket, all the people who have a regular job and are adult enough to use their money with their mind on it-have no problems with grocery shopping, paying a rent and even raising a family. Have you ever thought that we haven't evolved to kill BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T FUCKING KILL? Humans are herbivores, we can without any problem survive without ANY animal products, bears can't do that, they need meat in their diet because they can't digest food which fish eats(that's the way anyone gets vitamins and minerals inside of their body). Plants have more protein than meat and with that, they don't have blood, fat, and cholesterol in them(as well as hormones and antibiotics that are fed to the animals on animal farms and animal product fabrics).
How the fuck do you attempt to save someone who you also use, rape and murder? Do you know that vegans are fighting for not JUST getting rid of bad treatment and cruelty but getting read of animal usage in general?

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Silvery-BlueWOLF In reply to akaylaz [2016-11-19 15:09:42 +0000 UTC]

Same!😹

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NatsumeWolf In reply to akaylaz [2016-09-14 17:43:24 +0000 UTC]

Same, I like flesh too much lol. Nothing like biting into a bloody prime rib.

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