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cassannder [2014-08-19 16:43:45 +0000 UTC]
God, finally. I never see images of them together, do people not know they were BFFs in their youth?
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cassannder In reply to ode2sokka [2014-08-24 19:59:59 +0000 UTC]
The only thing I like even more than them having been BFFs was that Varian was split into two Varians. So much untapped slash potential there...
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ClopinTrouille [2013-02-06 19:11:00 +0000 UTC]
I actually think Arthas would've been right behind him trying to prove anything Varian could do, he could.... maybe better.
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thatguy999 [2011-01-05 19:28:20 +0000 UTC]
It'd be interesting if Blizzard released something showing Varian feeling towards Arthas after the fall of the Lich King. I imagine he may have forgiven Arthas to some extent like Jaina and Muradin have as evidence by the nameless grave with the symbol of Lorderon in Stormwind which I suspect is where Arthas is buried
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G0atboy [2010-11-20 12:06:09 +0000 UTC]
You know, thats helluva sad.
Cool drawing of a bit of lore that's actually pretty unexplored but is really interesting.
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ode2sokka In reply to G0atboy [2010-11-20 14:22:47 +0000 UTC]
Thanks, I always thought it needed a little more exploration. We have more than enough of Jaina's heartbreak. I want to see something from Varian.
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G0atboy In reply to ode2sokka [2010-11-20 15:32:07 +0000 UTC]
Because Varian is awesome.
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G0atboy In reply to ode2sokka [2010-11-20 15:50:34 +0000 UTC]
Hail to the chin- I mean king.
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Laharl234 [2010-11-19 09:03:53 +0000 UTC]
Varian was adorable, then he became a war mongering racist asshole. I so wish Alliance members could kill him and Garrosh.
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Fantasia1234 [2010-10-27 12:27:47 +0000 UTC]
oh yeah i love... really nice
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Heart-of-Thorns [2010-07-23 14:20:03 +0000 UTC]
I really wish I could give better critique as is requested. ' I feel like I could mention some small issues with placement and proportion, particularly with Varian's right eye, but at the same time it feels nit-picky to go into any real detail about it, as it also sort of feels like part of the style in all but the fewest major places. I must say, though, I do love the background very much. :3 And as far as design, I think both are matched quite well, though Arthas's eyes are more described as green than blue. ^^ Other than that tiny detail, though, I think you did an amazing job.
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Now for the SERIOUS stuff: OMG VARIAN AND ARTHAS SQUEEEE<3 x''3 LOVE them<3
;D Here's a question regarding your Artist's Comments, though: who says you have to be LESS a Jaina fan to squeal hopelessly for Varian too? ^^ In fact, ever considered SHIPPING them? x3 It is my Warcraft OTP since Arthas died, for too many reasons to list here without boring people. (Though if you WANT them... x3) Probably my favorite though is the direct in-game hinting~ "Jaina... Why are you crying?" "*sniffle* It was nothing your Majesty.. Just.. I'm PROUD of my King..." <3 ^^ Teeheehee. Favorite. Line. Evar. x3 I always have to imagine him with a FURIOUS blush as he screams "BAH!"
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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to ode2sokka [2010-07-24 11:56:42 +0000 UTC]
8D Permission to spam your page with my psychotic list of points that support them?
x3 Anyway, when I ship, it's rarely about it "working out", like in the long-term. I just wanna see it TRIED at least, and if things go wrong I'm grateful for what I got. :3 ... Except with Arthas/Jaina. 'x3; Which if it WEREN'T for my realization of "OMG Varian is perfect now" I'd STILL be so pissed about, because it was GOING to be forever-after and it was STUPID shit that got in the way.. 'xD; But yar~<3
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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to ode2sokka [2010-07-26 11:04:23 +0000 UTC]
... WOIEJRIEWJIEOWJ!!! D<
<< If you catch/caught the "As you may or may not know" in regards to brothers, I'm going to go with "My argument is written as if to any random person reading it at any point" rather than "I'm just a nub who replies to things by going through her notices and may have forgotten WHICH picture this was on..." >3<
D: It's not my fault the title is Latin! *SHOT* '^^
'x3; Forgive my nubbishness.
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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to ode2sokka [2010-07-26 11:00:24 +0000 UTC]
WHOO!
... OHEY! I was considering making a comment on my "I just wanna see them TRY it" thing before, and was like "nah it's off topic and you may not have seen-" I just noticed your username. xD So you ARE an Avatar fan then I take it<3 This is worth mentioning before I get started... x'3 You're talking to someone who STILL ships Zutara, and believes that until the creators DIRECTLY state that it never EVER happened that it still doesn't contradict canon at all. xD Even after the terrible implied-but-everyone-pretends-it-was-definite Kataang ending, and even after hearing that Tenzin in the sequel was confirmed as Kataang's son. x'3 Because, after all, just because they were together at 12 and 14 and together again later does NOT mean they never broke up between that time, and in fact the odds are nigh impossible that they didn't. ;D
.. x'3 So yeah. Technicalities are epic. Anyway, LIST!
Warning: Prepare your eyes. If you need to get food, drinks, or use the bathroom, do it now. *shot*
So! x3 Clearly, everyone feels terrible for Jaina. She waited for Arthas for eight solid years, ever since the Culling, or a few days after technically I suppose. Even after he became the first new Death Knight and later the Lich King, bane of all life on their planet, for seven of those years, she never, ever gave up on him. After he slaughtered thousands, his forces millions, she still thought about him, longed for him, every time she felt the cold. It took until he damn-near killed her (x3 which I can also justify and have other theories about, but that's Arthas/Jaina not Varian/Jaina) for her to finally even consider that maybe he truly was beyond saving. ... And of COURSE, it took until after his death for her to find out SHE'D been the one who was right all along, with the anonymous hero retrieving her locket. D< Which just adds about six billion more sympathy points. But yes, case in point: Jaina is loyal beyond measure, a lover to her core, and has recently been crushed in ways many of us can't even fully comprehend.
Now to Varian. His wife died around 12 years ago, and he spent all of 10 of those mourning to a point of uselessness in nigh any other area of life. In all the time since, he has never so much as thought of another woman. (Though actually it's pretty implied there was something with Katrana aka Onyxia briefly at one point, but it was half of him, with no will of his own, being mind-controlled, so it really doesn't count for this purpose. x3) Case in point: Varian is every ounce as loyal as Jaina.
:3 As you may or may not know, Varian and Arthas grew up like brothers for some time- from the time the child Varian was forced to flee his home until it was rebuilt, so essentially the full latter half of their childhood, maybe plus a few years. Not only are they bound to retain some similarities from this, quirks and what have you, but this means Varian is also one of the last people on Azeroth who KNEW the younger Arthas. That is, he's nigh the only person who could understand in full WHY Jaina mourned, even despite his time as the Lich King. If she reminisced, he could join her, because he knew the man as she remembers him. ... ;3 Not to mention that whole thing about "Varian mourned his own dead wife for 10 frigging years so it's safe to say he can more than understand and sympathize for a similar loss" and whatnot. ^^
All right, so what do we have so far? They're both very passionate, loyal individuals who have clung to memories for years, and while neither NEEDS someone, both do probably deserve it. The whole mourning thing also serves as potential bonding material. But what about other attraction, hm? :3 Like, after that bonding, would they still mesh? Well, we mentioned Varian may have a few similarities to Arthas, but what else?
First of all, let's deal with physical attraction, because it DOES play a part in most healthy romances whether people like it or not. :3 Well, Varian does happen to be pretty similar to Arthas: both are quite tall, largely built (even compared to normal Warcraft human males), fairly light-skinned with a usual light tan, keep their hair long and face shaven, have a more rough than refined appeal, prefer physical combat, bear a few scars, etc. In fact, not a lot of people realize, but Arthas actually even had a similar, if much smaller and more discreet, scar on HIS nose in the same place as Varian's! You can see this in his official artwork such as the first pic if you look on his WoWWiki, as well as on his in-game model in Culling if you zoom in enough! I discovered the latter and squeed for an hour. x'3 But yes. Varian certainly shares a vast number of the traits which Jaina has been proven to find attractive. As to Jaina? She looks EXACTLY like Tiffin, with a bit fuller face and bigger boobs. xD And slightly differently styled hair if you want to get REALLY technical.
:3 And now, personality. Unfortunately, due to Tiffin's minimal screen time, I have far more evidence on Jaina's side for this than Varian's, but let's go ahead and look at what I DO have. ^^ Actually, this is what started me on the ship in the first place. x3 I saw a bit of pro-Thrall/Jaina, anti-Varian fanart here on dA, with one comment that was going on about Varian vs Thrall in a battle of romance, attempting to prove that Thrall was the obvious choice. Instead, the more I read, the more I realized all the points used AGAINST Varian would be EXACTLY what would ATTRACT her! ;D After all! Jaina ALREADY chose a big muscle-brained royal extremist human brute over a refined, exotic, intelligent gentlemen when it came to Arthas vs Kael'thas! And in THAT case, she even though Kael was hot, and admitted logically she SHOULD be more attracted to him. That in mind, who is she going to pick between Arthas-with-dark-hair-who-can-admit-his-mistakes or Kael-if-less-obsessive-but-ugly-and-green? 'x3; ... OH, and High Elves were allied with humans at the time where while she's safer than most, orcs still hate humans in general.
:3 Still with me? Hopefully? Good! As to evidence of mutual caring feelings, there is of course our favorite quote: "Jaina... Why are you crying?" "It was nothing your majesty.. Just.. I'm proud of my king." :3 Varian's tone here implies quite a good deal of personal concern and caring. Where in JAINA, we can read far more indeed if we look a bit further! ;D This IS, one will recall, not long after Halls of Reflection. In it, she asked Uther how she could fight "my prince, my..." (obviously 'love'). In a rather touching moment, she calls Varian "my king". ;3 This just so HAPPENS to be a perfect correlation. Now, certainly one could argue this coincidence, but personally I think there are just too many other things she could have said for it not to have SOME level of intention. :3 I'm proud of.. you? OUR king? Your progress? Your decision? A tad awkward, but even THE king. But now. She says HER king, as she'd said HER prince. ;3 Even more epic than just 'she's so concerned with how he acts it can move her to tears' with that in the mix, huh? ^^
What of a future for them, then? Well, Jaina DID really want some blonde kids at one point. :3 Anduin wouldn't be hers, or by Arthas, but hey. It's something. Plus, the fact that Varian's dark hair did not override Tiffin's blonde increases odds that if Varian and Jaina had kids they'd be blonde too.
And could Jaina serve as a queen? What about her duty to Theramore, or the Kirin Tor, or everything else on her plate? |3 To this, I'd like to remind everyone that there ARE certain benefits to being able to teleport between continents with as little effort as it takes to blink. As to what sort of queen she'd make, wouldn't they make quite a remarkable team if Varian handled the armies and Jaina handled the diplomacy? ^^ I'd like to think so.
I may or may not have had one other serious point that I'm forgetting, but.. Well obviously if I do I'm forgetting, lol. So now to my final, more trivial points... x3 "DAWW they're so cute togetha!" and "Jaina Wrynn just SOUNDS cool, dammit. WAY cooler than Jaina Menethil." x'3
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It is now safe to uncover your eyes. xD
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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to ode2sokka [2010-07-31 12:00:01 +0000 UTC]
... Yyyeah. I saw that. 'xD; Not to bash, but there is exactly one point in the entire series which could even vaguely imply that possibility, at least that *I* saw.. 'x3; Now, as an ALTERNATE thing, like all your Modern fan stuff, going purely on personality and not factoring in their canon trying-to-kill-each-other relationship, sure. :3 That could be fun. 'x3; I've been trying since I saw your gallery and been unable to figure out anything that could make it work canonically, though, since, well.. 'xD; She's probably going to spend the rest of her life behind bars and Sokka and Suki were so totally doing it off-screen.. 'x3; I'm NOT bashing or trying to disprove, just saying "I don't get it." Heh. 'x3;
|D But YES Taang. The whole fricking show was so balance/Yin-Yang/harmony/etc. ... xD And then despite two PERFECT and fairly fan-popular relationships which would ALSO follow that, what do they do? The cliche relationship that was predictable since before the series even aired. 'xD; Wth. And then left Toph lonely and... x3 Eh, I'm a massive Zutarian and have been since the very first preview of the saving from pirates scene, but I actually DO like Maiko still. xP Go figure. But like I said, when I ship, I'd just like to see it TRIED, even if it fails. x3 So as long as they leave it open enough that I can continue to insist Zutara happened between series end and later marriages, I'm fine.
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8D *sparklesparklesparkle*<3 If you drew I would love you SO MUCH<3
x3 As to Orc hatred, he's proven he CAN in fact get over it at least in certain cases with his respect for Saurfang. And Jaina kept up faith in Arthas for NEARLY A DECADE through a LOT more than just stubborn justified racism. xD .... >3< Also, since Thrall's stepping down and Garrosh is taking over the Horde, I think her opinion on Varian's "warmongering" would change significantly. ... -_- Given Garrosh is just a LITERAL warmonger with NO reasons other than "puny humans are puny", so any level of fighting back can kind of be called self-defense at that point. /hate
Anyway, one issue, even IF quite serious and difficult, is generally not enough to kill an otherwise very compatible relationship, especially not for two people whose levels of loyalty are as high as theirs. ;3 Amirite? I know my husband and I have various difficult matters, like the fact I lack initiative and he's ungodly impatient, or various other notable incompatibilities. <3 But I still have a relationship many would kill for, and the bestest hubbeh EVAR. ^__^ <3
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-06 22:21:26 +0000 UTC]
i'm glad to know i'm not the only one who fangirls over him!
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-06 22:30:50 +0000 UTC]
she crazy about him too?
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ode2sokka In reply to LuthienDun [2010-04-06 22:34:28 +0000 UTC]
Absolutely adores him. I think she's read her comics with him a hundred times.
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-06 22:38:15 +0000 UTC]
wish i knew where they sell them
does she have her characters on WoW flirt with him?
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-06 22:42:12 +0000 UTC]
i flirted with Varian with my Nelf and Draenei ^^
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-06 22:43:45 +0000 UTC]
have you heard the female Draenei flirt?
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-06 22:49:37 +0000 UTC]
The females range from "The nights are so chilly on this planet" to "Are you thinking what i'm thinking?....Good...bring ample supplies of butter and goblin jumper cables"
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ode2sokka In reply to LuthienDun [2010-04-06 22:51:08 +0000 UTC]
That was it. The goblin jumper cables.
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-06 22:57:48 +0000 UTC]
One of the blood elf flirts is "Is that a mana worm in your pocket...or are you just happy to see me?"
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ode2sokka In reply to LuthienDun [2010-04-06 22:59:16 +0000 UTC]
"Usually I only ride exotic mounts but...lets talk."
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-06 23:57:15 +0000 UTC]
lol when i heard that i thought it said "epic" mounts.
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-07 00:01:23 +0000 UTC]
yeah.XD
you know,it would have been weird yet funny if Varian responded to some of the flirts he probably gets
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-07 00:04:57 +0000 UTC]
he'd probably be very shocked if my Draenei flirted with him!
yeah Anduin is so adorable!he's like the only kid in stormwind with a voice!
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ode2sokka In reply to LuthienDun [2010-04-07 00:05:44 +0000 UTC]
Thank heavens. Could you imagine if the stupid dolly kids had one? >_>
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-07 00:07:25 +0000 UTC]
*shivers* how many fangirls do you think Varian has?
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ode2sokka In reply to LuthienDun [2010-04-07 00:08:16 +0000 UTC]
More than I originally thought, but less than he should.
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LuthienDun In reply to ode2sokka [2010-04-07 00:10:31 +0000 UTC]
yeah.rarely youfind fan art for him.people seem to hate his guts
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