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Description Protagonist & Antagonist ~ A Different Definition
There are Three Essential Characters in Every Story. There may be any number of side characters, but in traditional Adventures, and Romances of every stripe the main conflict is usually, if not always, a triangle of complimentary opposites.

Translation: You could tell the WHOLE story with ONLY these Three Characters; perhaps not with any real detail, but you could still do the entire basic plotline. (Yes I know, I've said some of this before. Bear with me.)

THREE Characters?
Yep. I'm sure you're familiar with: Hero – Villain – Heroine (or Sidekick) already. Those are pretty darn standard. So, let's define them in a more Literary, (and complicated,) fashion shall we?

Antagonist - Protagonist - Ally
ALLY? Who the heck is That?

The Ally
Always there, though seldom named is: the Ally -- the Companion to the Hero. The ALLY's function is to be the Middle-Man, the nay-sayer that presents an opposing view to both the Hero and the Villain. The ALLY is the Obstacle Character who adds complications to the plot, making matters worse for both the Hero and the Villain, generally by getting in the way.

In Romances, this character is the Love Interest, in modern mainstream fiction, and tons of movies, this is the trouble-inducing Best Friend or Interfering Relative, (often a younger sibling). In traditional fiction, they were known as the Victim.

In ALL cases, this character's FATE turns the plot at the Climax, and more often than not, is the story's VIEWPOINT CHARACTER.

The HEROINE
Lady Hero or just another Ally?
Traditionally, fictional Females were NOT allowed to hurt anybody, and they NEVER Killed anybody. The Heroine was not allowed to defeat her own Villain. Her male companion did all her dirty work for her. However, since only the Protagonist faces the Antagonist in the final battle, this made the Heroine's male companion the actual Protagonist, and the Heroine, the most common viewpoint character in a Romance novel – the Ally or designated Victim.

Does the term: 'Damsel in Distress', ring any bells?

The Heroines in traditional stories served two purposes only:
-- To get into trouble, so they could be Saved by the hero
-- As a reward for the hero's heroic efforts. (I know, I know... Don't gag on me.)

Lately, fictional Heroines have begun to defeat their Villains all by themselves, (Lara Croft anyone?) so that rule is changing. But it's still not acceptable for the Heroine to battle the Villain in some arenas.

In Walt Disney's Mulan, Mulan is clearly the viewpoint character and presented as the story's Protagonist, and yet Walt Disney still made her male companion, Mushu, the story's Comic Relief character, take out the Villain – not her, (or her designated Hero!)

In Walt Disney's Beauty and the Beast, Belle is the clearly the viewpoint character and presented as the story's Protagonist, and yet Walt Disney still made her male companion, Beast, take out the Villain – not her.

However, in Tomb Raider, Lara Croft not only does her own butt-kicking, she frequently rescues everyone else!

Antagonist - Protagonist - Ally / Hero - Companion - Villain?
Who is supposed to be What?

Well, that depends on the character's ACTIONS in the story and their effect on the PLOT. Lets look at some literary Definitions that came from one of the ancient Greeks, Aristotle to be exact. (*Based on Aristotle's "Elements of a Greek Tragedy".)

ANTAGONIST: Traditionally the Villain, the one causing all the trouble. (Anti = against: "The one who struggles AGAINST.")*

PROTAGONIST: Traditionally the Hero, trying to keep the Antagonist at bay and keep things the way they are. (Pro = for: "The one who struggles FOR.")*

ALLY: In Greek Tragedies, this character was the designated Victim of the Protagonist's poor judgment whose fate brought on the tragic ending, OR the Only Survivor, who played official witness to the heroic struggle between the Antagonist and the Protagonist. They "Lived to tell the Tale."

In modern fiction, ANY of these three character positions can operate under ANY of the three master character drives: Motive - Action - Emotion, and the Protagonist does NOT necessarily have to be the story's Hero -- just who the story is ABOUT. Additionally, the Viewpoint Character, the one telling the story, does NOT have to be the Protagonist. In fact, it's very traditional for the ALLY to be the story's Narrator -- not the Protagonist.

"But I thought that the Protagonist was always the Main Character?"

In The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, Watson was the Viewpoint Character, he told the stories, and yet those stories were all about Holmes who solved the mysteries and faced all the villains. Holmes was obviously the Protagonist; making Watson the Ally.

The Problem with"Protagonist"
In a story's Grand Finale, the Antagonist & Protagonist do battle, and 'winner take all'. Therefore, the one character who does battle with the Antagonist is, by definition, the Protagonist, (and vice versa.)

BUT ~ No one wants to think of the Protagonist as being anything other than the Main Viewpoint Character, whether or not they do battle with the Antagonist. Literary Scholars don't like their definitions changed. Unfortunately, their educated opinions are not having any effect on the characters appearing in modern Fiction -- such as the Anti-Hero, Honorable Villain and the Trickster Ally.

In Moby Dick, the main character Ishmael, is commonly thought of as being the Protagonist because he told the story. However, Ishmael did NOT do battle with the white whale – Captain Ahab did, therefore Ishmael was NOT the Protagonist at all.

Then… What was Ishmael?

Moby Dick
A CLASSIC Greek Tragedy

Aristotle's Elements of a Tragedy, in short:
• The reversal of the protagonist's fortune is brought on by a personal flaw.
• The eventual recognition by the protagonist of this tragic flaw
• The resulting moral consequences of their actions.
• The final moral re-affirmation of the audience -- delivering catharsis.

• Protagonist = Main or Central Character. "The one who struggles FOR."
• Antagonist = Obstacle to the Protagonist. "The one who struggles AGAINST." The obstacle that stands in the way of the protagonist.

In Moby Dick, the White Whale was minding his own business when Captain Ahab attacked him the first time. Seriously pissed off, the whale ate Ahab's leg. Ahab of course, decllares revenge against the monster.

And Ishmael?
-- He's not there yet. This is the Back Story, all the stuff that happened before Ishmael stepped on Ahab's ship for the first time.

The story Moby Dick is all about Captain Ahab's struggles with the white whale, making AHAB the main character – though no one I know would ever call him Heroic or a Protagonist.

From: Aristotle's Elements of a Tragedy…
• Harmatia = Fatal flaw of the Protagonist. In a classical tragedy, the protagonist falls from a great position of power due to a flaw in their character, usually an emotional instability, like pride (hubris), in the case of Oedipus.

In Moby Dick, Ahab's overwhelming pride, "I WILL kill that whale!" causes him to pit his ship, and the lives of his men, against a monster far too big for him. The Whale's thirst for revenge is also driven by Pride.

The Whale and Ahab BOTH have the same flaw; a VERY traditional trademark of the Protagonist and Antagonist.

From: Aristotle's Elements of a Tragedy…
• Peripetia = Reversal of Fortune. The reversal of fortune that besets the protagonist and is intended to elicit our pathos. our pity, and sympathy.

In Moby Dick, Ahab finds the white whale (again minding his own business,) and attacks. The Reversal happens when the whale obviously realizes who is attacking him, and goes after Ahab, attacking the part of the ship Ahab occupies.

From: Aristotle's Elements of a Tragedy…
• Anagnorisis = Recognition of Deeds. When the protagonist understands that their plight has been brought about by their own harmatia, their Fatal Flaw.

In Moby Dick, Ahab's ship is sinking and his men are dying. He REALIZES that the whale has made Ahab a personal enemy – and it's his Own Fault. If Anyone is to survive, he must face the whale HIMSELF.

From: Aristotle's Elements of a Tragedy…
• Catharsis = Purgation of Pathos / Establishment of Ethos. A play is considered complete when the audience is cleansed morally or emotionally by the closure of the tragedy. The catharsis is intended to fortify the ethos, the cultural framework, of the audience.

In Moby Dick, Ahab dies and the whale goes away, leaving the survivors alone. Which proves that the whale had more honor than Ahab. The whale does not attack innocent bystanders -- unlike the insane sea captain.

And Ishmael? He's left behind, floating in the sea after witnessing the entire battle.

Aristotle in a Nutshell:
• Glorious Hero does something he really shouldn't do.
• Not-so-glorious Hero realizes that it's his own damned fault.
• Hero crashes and burns. (He dies, she dies, everybody dies...)
• The audience feels good because they didn't make the protagonist's mistakes.

In Moby Dick, Who is the REAL Protagonist?

-- In Moby Dick, the White Whale is fighting FOR his Life. He's the Protagonist.
-- Ahab is fighting AGAINST the whale's right to live. He's the Antagonist.

So, what was Ishmael?

Ishmael did not agree with either the Whale, for its fierce attacks, or with Captain Ahab's reasons for chasing Moby Dick. He possessed an opposing opinion to both. He was an Obstacle Character, but he worked for Ahab, technically putting him on Ahab's side.

Ishmael did not affect the plot in any major way. He was merely an Observer, the official witness to the epic battle between the whale and the sea captain – he was an ALLY.

Moby Dick is a prime example of modern literature proving that Protagonists are Not always heroic, Antagonists are Not always the bad guys, and the designated Victim (the Ally,) is not always a damsel in distress – or even a Victim.

And yet, literary professionals INSIST that Ishmael is the Protagonist on the grounds that Ishmael Told the Story, therefore he HAD to be a Main Character: the Protagonist.

Um... WRONG! (Go back and read your Aristotle, K?)

The accepted 'literary' definitions for Antagonist and Protagonist just don't FIT the modern day Anti-Hero, Honorable Villain and Trickster Ally.

But ~ No One wants to admit that a Protagonist might be the Villain, and an Antagonist might be the Hero despite the reams of modern fiction and hundreds of popular movies that have such characters. It takes a PHD or a Master's Degree to change an educated opinion -- something I don't have the time to get. (I'm too busy writing Fiction.)

So, let's go around that particular literary road-block and re-label those character positions a bit more closely to their sources -- according to *Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)

Proponent – Adversary – Ally
ADVERSARY– Anti-establishment; the main character attempting to go against the status quo, by breaking the rules of their society.
Definition: Opponent,
Synonyms: antagonist, attacker, bad guy, bandit, competitor, contestant, enemy, foe, match, opposer, rival

PROPONENT – Pro-establishment; the main character in support of the status quo and the rules of their society.
Definition: Advocate
Synonyms: backer, champion, defender, enthusiast, exponent, expounder, friend, partisan, patron, protector, second, spokesperson, subscriber, supporter, upholder, vindicator

ALLY – The main supporter of one or the other; usually a lover. (It's not unusual for both the Proponent and the Adversary to each have an Ally, but only one Ally actually turns the plot.)
Definition: Friend
Synonyms: accessory, accomplice, associate, co-worker, coadjutor, collaborator, colleague, confederate, friend, friendly, helper, partner

VILLAIN - The main Bad-Guy.
HERO - The main character that faces the Bad-Guy at the climax.
COMPANION - The Buddy, Love-interest, Friend, Victim, and official witness to the heroic struggle between the Hero and the Villain.

So, to answer our earlier question: Who is What?

Hero – Companion – Villain
Proponent – Adversary – Ally
The answer is: Take your pick. The three main characters can be ANY combination.

In the 'Tomb Raider' movie series...

Proponent Heroine
Adversary Villain
Ally Hero

Lara Croft is a Proponent Heroine with Adversarial Villains and Paramour Allies. (Nice and simple.)

Reversed Characters
Anti-Heroes vs. Heroic Villains

The one who has the most battles with the ADVERSARY is your PROPONENT. The one left over, and normally instigating a lot of the tension between the P&A, is your ALLY. This does not change.

However, the labels: Hero and Villain are Interchangeable!

In the movie: 'The Crow'...

Adversary Hero
Proponent Villain
Ally Heroine

Eric Draven was dead. He and his love were murdered. He came back from the Dead with a motive: to get revenge. He attacked the people that killed him and then the boss that sent them to kill him and his love. Eric was the Motive-driven ADVERSARY of this story – and yet the HERO too!

The Villain in this story was busy keeping order in his little Kingdom of Crime. Eric instigated a war between himself and the Ruler of the city. The Villain was bothered into defending himself against Eric. In this story, the Villain was the Action-Driven PROPONENT.

The Next-door neighbor girl, Nell didn't want the Villain burning down her neighborhood – but she didn't want Eric seeking revenge either, because she cared about him, he was her FRIEND.

Nell was the Emotion-Driven ALLY – the Middle-Man in opposition to both the Hero & the Villain. Like a true Middle-Man, she gets trapped between the Proponent and the Adversary in the Climax – as a Victim. Nell was also the Viewpoint Character. Most of the movie is shown from her POV, a trademark of an Ally.

In the movie: 'Leon: The Professional'...

Adversary Heroine
Proponent Villain
Ally Hero

12-year-old HEROINE Mathilda, is looking for a safe haven from the very Villainous and temperamental Stansfield, a police officer, (a society-supporting PROPONENT,) that wiped out her family and intends to get her too. Mathilda takes matters into her own hands and bothers professional assassin Leon, into taking her in – and becomes his FRIEND.

Much of the story was filmed from Leon's POV -- trademark of an ALLY, additionally, Leon has the opposing opinion. Leon doesn't want her there, and doesn't want the attention of the police either. He tries to get her to keep her head down and forget, but Mathilda utterly refuses. She bullies him into teaching her how to use a gun because as far as she's concerned, she has a Reason to use one.

Like a true ADVERSARY she stalks Stansfield to his office fully intending to shoot him dead. Mathilda was obviously a Motive-Driven ADVERSARIAL HEROINE going after emotionally unstable Stansfield a PROPONENT VILLAIN. Like a true Middle-Man, Action-Driven Leon is caught between them.

However, even though the entire plot for 'Leon: The Professional', was set up to let the Adversarial Heroine face her very personal Villain; the under-aged Heroine is taught to use a gun and other assassin's tools, the Anti-hero Ally ended up actually taking the villain out. I suspect that, at the very last second, someone changed their mind about letting a kid kill.

And the deciding factor for a story's Villain?

The Villain's INABILITY to Change is what makes them the VILLAIN and the reason WHY they LOSE.

-- The Hero Crashes, Burns, Learns from his mistakes, and Rises Again.
-- The Villain merely Crashes and Burns. He does NOT learn from his mistakes. He does Not rise again.

And there you have it.  Enjoy!
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Comments: 139

GlizzySparks [2016-03-13 16:30:50 +0000 UTC]

Interesting, thanks for the tips. Well at froster I thought that the protagonist is always a good guy. But eventually I learned that the protagonist isn't always a hero. And villains aren't always the villian. Some protagonista are the VILLIAN while some antagonists are the HERO.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to GlizzySparks [2016-03-14 22:12:48 +0000 UTC]

Exactly, which is what led to this essay to begin with.

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GlizzySparks In reply to OokamiKasumi [2016-03-14 22:34:52 +0000 UTC]

This should be helpful. I enjoy reading your tips. I will use what I learn to write my fanfics^^

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OokamiKasumi In reply to GlizzySparks [2016-03-26 14:56:14 +0000 UTC]

Watch how your readers respond to the characters too. They will be your best guide to see if what your trying to do works the way you want it too.

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GlizzySparks In reply to OokamiKasumi [2016-03-26 15:02:57 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. I'll be sure to know that. ^^

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IndigoOfTheHeavens [2014-03-27 07:46:31 +0000 UTC]

Looks like I have this set up then LOL:

Proponent Villan

Adversary Hero

Ally Hero

xD

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OokamiKasumi In reply to IndigoOfTheHeavens [2014-12-31 09:08:11 +0000 UTC]

Looks like fun!

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Jedi-Qui-Gon [2014-01-10 18:52:01 +0000 UTC]

This is helpful.


Is it possible to do a story and not have an ally character, like a story about an event where the hero fights the villain? I know it’s very likely one might sneak in to help the story along.


And I am wondering if this would be an example of an ally character- someone who is badly injured and half dead collapses at the Hidden Leaf village gate, and is taken to the Hidden Leaf hospital. And the person speaks of some evil force attacking and destroying the town he was in. And a ninja team is sent to investigate. Would he be an ally character since he told of what happened and might know what the enemy looked like, even if it’s just fragments of details?

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Jedi-Qui-Gon [2014-01-12 08:48:19 +0000 UTC]

The Ally is simply the 'Other' character in any character grouping.
 -- When Sakura and Naruto argue, anyone else that happens to be there is an Ally.

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Jedi-Qui-Gon In reply to OokamiKasumi [2014-01-13 20:54:07 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for clearing it up.

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therebeunicorns [2013-12-23 19:02:01 +0000 UTC]

Sorry to be a bother with another question...but you are so helpful and my question is really bugging me.

Can a character change their purpose by the end of the story? I'll try to explain. (Unless I'm going at this back-asswards.)

The problem with stories is that as they progress from the beginning to the end, things shift. Just like normal people, characters CAN and DO change; from protagonist to antagonist, to ally. A character that starts out as a hero could easily become a villain by the end of the story. "

Ahhhh I found this quote reading the comments after writing this...it answered my original question--- yet gave me another.

Basically, instead of a redemption plot, I'm doing a corruption plot. I think The Godfather had a corruption plotline (or, according to James Scott Bell, a rise to Power plotline) but I haven't read it to be sure.

My character starts out as an Adversary VP Heroine, but ends as a Proponent VP Villian.

My question is...is it okay for readers to hate your VP character? Perhaps if they are fascinated in some way? If it's not okay, how do you ensure they don't hate a VP character that makes "wrong" choices? My plan was to fill it with realism that made her journey fascinating to watch, to the point that readers could empathize and see themselves making the bad choices. (!)

I promise I'll lay off the questions now...at least for awhile. > Thank you again for your tutorials and replies...I'm learning more from you than any writing book I've read, really.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to therebeunicorns [2013-12-25 22:00:21 +0000 UTC]

...is it okay for readers to hate your VP character?
 -- It CAN be done, and in fact, Has been done, but it's tricky to pull off because if a reader hates the characters, they're very likely to put the story down, and never go back. (I've done it myself.)

This is why you hear so many of us authors telling people to write Sympathetic viewpoint characters -- characters the readers can identify with. "Oh, I've been in that situation too..." If the VP character is Sympathetic; easy for the reader to identify with, you can pretty much get away with them doing anything -- including murder.

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DecepticonFlamewar [2012-12-30 10:12:47 +0000 UTC]

I wish I were still in college so I could spam my professors with this link.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to DecepticonFlamewar [2013-02-18 10:40:39 +0000 UTC]

Very few college professors like me. I make learning this stuff too easy.

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AsjJohnson [2012-12-02 21:43:00 +0000 UTC]

Can the pov character be the main character and protagonist of a story?
I just write fanfiction, but the one I'm working on now, If I use your definitions... Then I think the character the story's about (who is a villain and antagonist in the series) would start out as the protagonist (because something happens and he wants it back to normal) and then switch to the antagonist (because by the end, he'll realize he might like it the other way). Though... I suppose it'd be more like, things change, and he wants to change them back, so that might make him the antagonist at first, because he wants it to change from how it is, then he'll kind of get used to it and be more like a protagonist, though he still thinks he wants it to change back, and then it'll eventually change back (from something he does) and then he'd be the antagonist because he'll realize he kind of liked it how it was then. But also, originally he was the villain (and is in the prologue of my fic), and then he'll kind of be... like the ally maybe? Because he doesn't really want to do anything? Though I think he might help out some without meaning to. And then eventually he'll help because he wants to, so that'd be more like a hero. ...or maybe I'm just getting really mixed up.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to AsjJohnson [2012-12-04 03:28:19 +0000 UTC]

Can the pov character be the main character and protagonist of a story?

Short answer: YES.
-- The POV character is "the Person Telling the Story."
-- The Main Character is "Who the Story is About."
-- The Protagonist is "the One fighting to Preserve the Status Quo."

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mgscreative [2012-11-04 13:18:05 +0000 UTC]

your writing tips are absolutely fantastic; ive literally been reading through all of them (great procrastination for my own writing, hehe)

your information is actually SO USEFUL!

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OokamiKasumi In reply to mgscreative [2012-11-04 15:20:28 +0000 UTC]

Err, aren't tips supposed to be useful?
-- I'm glad you like them.

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mgscreative In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-11-04 23:15:59 +0000 UTC]

haha they sure are. but have a look through the ones on deviantart, you'll find that is not always the case

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OokamiKasumi In reply to mgscreative [2012-11-05 00:56:37 +0000 UTC]

This makes me wonder; then why did they bother to write them?

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mgscreative In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-11-05 03:06:36 +0000 UTC]

who knows.
i really appreciate your time and effort though, regardless

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akky3210 [2012-10-31 01:07:15 +0000 UTC]

Lovely, enlightening, and thought-provoking! Great work here.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to akky3210 [2012-11-04 15:19:36 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

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akky3210 In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-11-04 17:44:42 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! :D

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ThePoorCornelia [2012-10-23 06:05:25 +0000 UTC]



Thanks for this.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to ThePoorCornelia [2012-10-27 09:26:24 +0000 UTC]

My pleasure.
-- Glad I could provide a bit of useful insight.

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gianjos [2012-08-09 04:30:57 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for your tips, they are really useful.

But about heroines, even Disney is changing, after all
In 'Enchanted' it is Giselle (the princess) who kind of saves the guy. And there are certainly more winds of change in the most recent ones. There's Tangled and the new one Merida, who didnt need any prince at all.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to gianjos [2012-08-20 02:22:07 +0000 UTC]

Really? I haven't seen 'Enchanted' yet, but I have seen 'Tangled'. I'm going out to see 'Brave' tomorrow!

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gianjos In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-08-20 13:13:51 +0000 UTC]

Yes, like I said, she 'kind of' ; P

*SPOILER* (I don't know if you care about that, but this is a SPOILER.. so.. ^^)

well, he saves her too, and there is the true love kiss that wakes her up. but she is the one who defeats the 'dragon' later (it was even mentioned as a joke). The whole movie is a mist of parody and tribute to old pincesses disney movies. It's a nice movie, you should watch it later.

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YFanGirl1613 [2012-07-09 12:36:03 +0000 UTC]

Artemis Fowl series. One problem is that Opal does rise again but then crashes and burns. Although I'm not too sure that Artemis learnt too many lessons either in the second book or first book.

Apart from recommending that book to you and plugging it (sort of) I enjoyed reading this since it does define what is who and most things in between and gave some good examples as well.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to YFanGirl1613 [2012-07-29 16:34:44 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad you liked it!
-- Actually I do have the first volume of Fowl on my bookshelf. He is very much a Reluctant Hero, as in he thinks he's a villain, but it just doesn't work out that way for him.

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YFanGirl1613 In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-08-03 12:03:28 +0000 UTC]

That is true and by the end he becomes a heroish person? His morals are slight off but a hero by...the author.

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Rayame [2012-06-17 18:09:40 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much for this series of tutorials. I was a little helpless what to do about my characters lately but this already helped a lot It gave me some good ideas!

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Rayame [2012-06-19 03:06:06 +0000 UTC]

My pleasure. I live being inspiring!

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SheTheTDE [2012-06-11 10:08:32 +0000 UTC]

ok this will sound confusing at first but I need to know if it's possible to make it work...

I'm trying to write a story where the character that seems to be the main character isn't and the real main characters are completely unaware of the horrible things happening for most of the story. Is there a way to make that work that doesn't confuse the reader too much?

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OokamiKasumi In reply to SheTheTDE [2012-06-11 18:29:03 +0000 UTC]

Your POV (Point of View) character (the one telling the story) is Always the main character, but that does Not necessarily make them who the story is about.

I'm trying to write a story where ... the real main characters are completely unaware of the horrible things happening for most of the story. Is there a way to make that work that doesn't confuse the reader too much?

Point of View is how you do this.
-- Write the story from the point of view of someone that knows what's going on and provide a good reason why the other characters Won't Believe Them when your POV character tries to warn them.

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SheTheTDE In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-06-12 07:59:52 +0000 UTC]

Oh thank you. That makes perfect sense, thank you.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to SheTheTDE [2012-06-13 07:41:53 +0000 UTC]

Glad I could help!

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Tori5 [2012-02-16 08:57:59 +0000 UTC]

Uuuh, my head hurts a bit. A little too much to digest in a short time, but I'll try to mull over it and hopefully I'll get it sooner or later (sorry, but your article managed to make me confused about who is actually a protagonist, hero, villain and so on).

But anyway, I have a question. You stated I need only three characters to make a story - Antagonist, Protagonist and Ally. This may sound a bit silly, but has each of them come in only a single number? I know that having two protagonists in a story probably isn't very real (one will probably become ally sooner or later) but what about having two or more allies? Or maybe more antagonists? Is it unreal, or is there a way around it?

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luka1184 In reply to Tori5 [2018-02-21 23:28:23 +0000 UTC]

I believe Deltora Quest is a perfect example of three main characters who have enough screentime each to not call any of them allies to the main hero. Arguably there is a main hero, Lief, but Jasmine and Barda practically gets just as much time, action, anything.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Tori5 [2012-02-16 20:56:01 +0000 UTC]

My tutorials do tend to cover a LOT of information, but then I try not to leave anything important out.

The Protagonist is the one who faces the Antagonist. That does not change.

However, the Villain can be either one; the Protagonist who fights to keep things the way they are, or the Antagonist who fights to change things.

For example, the Sheriff of Nottingham is a Protagonist. He likes the way he has control over his town. However, he is also clearly a Villain.

Robin Hood, an obvious hero, wants to change the way the people are governed. That makes him an Antagonist.

Maid Marion, and all of Robin Hood's Merry Men are Robin Hood's Allies.

The Sheriff's soldiers are the Sheriff's Allies.

King John of England is a Protagonist. He likes his kingdom the way it is, and doesn't want any changes, but he's also a Villain. When he stepped into the story, he became the main Antagonist and Villain with the Sheriff of Nottingham and the Sheriff's soldiers as is his Allies.

Just to make things complicated, most older stories are NOT told by the protagonist, but by an Ally. How can you tell? The one telling the story is Not the one who faces the Antagonist, someone else does. That some else is the Protagonist.

As an example...
-- Robin Hood's story is told from Will the Red's point of view. Will does not ever face the Sheriff or King John. Will the Red is an Ally -- Robin Hood's Ally.

Get it now?

You can have as many protagonists or antagonists as you like in a story. However, since they are Main Characters, each of their stories must be told to their conclusions before the story ends. Any main character whose story does Not reach a conclusion leaves a Plot Hole that your readers will spot.

This is why I advise keeping the character count as low as possible, to prevent the writer from making a story far too large for them to ever finish.

As an example of more than one protagonist...
-- Star Wars had 3 major Protagonists: Luke, Leah, and Han Solo, and 3 main villains: Darth Vader, the Emperor, and (in the first movie) Grand Moff Tarkin. It took 6 whole movies to conclude ALL of their stories.

Leia was the focus of the first movie, Han Solo the focus of the second, Luke the focus of the third, Darth Vader the focus of the fourth, and the emperor the focus of the fifth with the sixth movie tying up everything else.

Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter had even more main characters, which is why they took so many movies (and books) to conclude, and why each was so long. Even so, things were left out of the movies that happened in the books because there just wasn't enough movie-time for it all.

I never said that you CAN'T have more than one Protagonist, Antagonist or Ally. I said that any story can be told with only one of each, though it won't have many scenes.

For example, Star Wars COULD be told using only Darth Vader, (Villian - Protagonist) Luke, (Hero - Antagonist) and Obi Wan Kenobi, (Ally). It will lack a whole pile of scenes that feature the other characters, but Luke's rise to Jedi Knight, Obi Wan's death, and his discovery of his father -- which is the entirety of Luke's story -- can all be told with just those three characters.

Okay?

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Tori5 In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-02-16 22:19:59 +0000 UTC]

Ah, I think I'm getting it slowly. So just being Protagonist doesn't make you automatically Hero, and being Antagonist doesn't make you automatically Villain. Protagonist is just someone who keeps things the old way, while Antagonist thrives for a change.
... this actually leads to an interesting thing. I remember you stated in one of your works here that when Hero confronts Villain, the one who will lose is the one who fails to adapt to a new situation, or to move on or how did you define it. Is that somehow related to being Protagonist/Antagonist Villain/Hero, or can it happen to anybody?

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Tori5 [2012-02-17 01:10:27 +0000 UTC]

So just being Protagonist doesn't make you automatically Hero, and being Antagonist doesn't make you automatically Villain.

You got it!

Protagonist is just someone who keeps things the old way, while Antagonist thrives for a change.

Yep, that's right!

...when Hero confronts Villain, the one who will lose is the one who fails to adapt to a new situation, or to move on...

That works.

Is that somehow related to being protagonist / Antagonist, Villain / Hero, or can it happen to anybody?

It's normally a Villain / Hero thing, (protagonist & antagonist are interchangeable, each can be either one, so they don't count.) However, it CAN happen to any character at any time in the story -- and more than once.

The key point here, is that Battles aren't the only places Villains can Lose, and the Loser isn't always a Villain.

A guy that can't get the girl he loves to love him back, lost in his relationship, but he's not necessarily a Villain.

The problem with stories is that as they progress from the beginning to the end, things shift. Just like normal people, characters CAN and DO change; from protagonist to antagonist, to ally. A character that starts out as a hero could easily become a villain by the end of the story.

It all depends on you, the WRITER and what you decide you want your characters to be.

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Tori5 In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-02-17 06:02:38 +0000 UTC]

Aaah, I see. Thank you for explaining it to me once again. It actually answered lots of things about the story I'm writing right now.

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Strudel--Cutie4427 [2012-01-26 07:49:38 +0000 UTC]

That's some pretty good ideas. It's actually rather helpful and has caused me to rethink some of my stories.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Strudel--Cutie4427 [2012-01-27 09:15:37 +0000 UTC]

Excellent!
-- I love being inspiring.

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Strudel--Cutie4427 In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-01-27 19:55:54 +0000 UTC]

Well then, job well done

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TheNakedKing [2012-01-16 04:13:47 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad for this. When I write, I don't tend to have the Point of View character be the Protagonist. I have my reasons, of course.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to TheNakedKing [2012-01-16 13:09:25 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad you liked it.
-- It's actually traditional for the POV character to NOT be the protagonist, but the witness to the struggle between the proponent and their adversary.

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TheNakedKing In reply to OokamiKasumi [2012-01-16 16:45:44 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I know, but too many people think that the protagonist has to be the PoV character. It's how I see a lot of writer's write. In fact, most of the modern novels I've read have been this way, with the narrator as the protagonist, regardless of whether or not it's third or first person.

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