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PlayboyCommando In reply to SpyroLord [2018-05-22 08:56:09 +0000 UTC]

Ah yes, I almost forgot that the only one political party is called the California National Parrty.

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PlayboyCommando In reply to SpyroLord [2018-05-08 00:23:36 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that's true. And you know what? It will be a bad tragedy for America if it secedes with a lot of negative causes and California Democratic Party will lose their electoral votes if the secessionists take theirs, but harmful enough. I hope and pray that it survives as the most important state in the country and part of the USA, especially the majority of supportive no votes.

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PlayboyCommando In reply to Fujin777 [2018-01-26 02:53:44 +0000 UTC]

That is actually similar when the southerners were disgraced to the country they lived in, betrayed the federal government, and formed the Confederacy if Abraham Lincoln was elected as a president just before the American Civil War starts. Maybe you're right.

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heavens-champion In reply to PlayboyCommando [2018-04-04 17:54:57 +0000 UTC]

.................... Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh snap.

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Fujin777 In reply to PlayboyCommando [2018-01-27 01:44:47 +0000 UTC]

I hope I'm wrong on this one.

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-25 18:56:27 +0000 UTC]

I don't think that'll matter much. California's an economic powerhouse, regardless of whether it's a blue or red state. If it leaves, you can kiss the US and global stock markets goodbye. Leaving would also fuck up the entire state itself too; it goes up in flames nearly every year because of the dry climate, so the next time half of it is on fire and it's no longer apart of the country, it can't request aid from the Feds because it wouldn't be a state anymore. On top of that, it would have to do a complete overhaul of the government if it leaves. Just like what's going on with England right now.

Despite any upsides there are to leaving (and there's hardly any), it would spell disaster for both the state and the US.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-25 21:35:55 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-26 00:09:07 +0000 UTC]

In 2015, California had the highest GDP in the country. Last year, it dropped to second, but it still has the 6th largest economy in the world. So if it secedes, it risks throwing the US back into an economic recession. Both the state and the US will become even poorer than they are now. The state's political stance is not even relevant.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-26 02:14:21 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-26 02:42:41 +0000 UTC]

And there wouldn't be so many people on welfare if the national minimum wage was high enough to live on. Besides, California's not the only state with thousands of people on welfare. Most of the South has just as much. Especially among the minorities. If you really want to get rid of welfare recipients so they're not draining resources, then vote for higher wages. Pushing the problem away and onto someone else is not fixing the problem. Actually, it often just makes the problem even worse. It's how you get 3rd World countries. And if California seceded, it's liable to turn into a 3rd World country because as you implied, it holds a large portion of welfare recipients. And if an economic powerhouse turns into a 3rd World country, then guess what happens to the rest of the world's economies? Into the shitter.

So? If the state voted for more conservative policies and it seceded anyway, the results would still be the same. The state being liberal or conservative hardly has any effect on its secession. Not everything has to involve politics.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-26 02:50:56 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-26 03:23:58 +0000 UTC]

True, unemployment is also a factor in the welfare system, but that whole subject is a new can of worms to open later. I'd rather stay on one topic here.

My point still stands. If California secedes and turns into a 3rd World country because of all the welfare recipients, it'll have severe consequences on everyone else in the world. That's how economics work; it's a chain reaction.

Last I checked the history books, the last states to secede were the Southern states and they were extremely conservative. And secession didn't turn out very well for them. So I think my point still stands there too.

Not always. Economics and politics are 2 different fields: one is about the production, consumption, and distribution of wealth. The other is the study of governments. They go hand in hand, certainly. But it's possible to be an economist and be non-political. Politics are dirty and create biased and prejudiced views, which can have negative effects on people's economic views. I'm the type who tries to understand both sides...and regardless of whether there's a liberal or conservative reason behind the idea, history has shown that secession is bad for both sides.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-26 05:30:36 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-26 06:44:28 +0000 UTC]

Yes, because I don't feel like arguing about it, as I've had it up to my eyeballs arguing about it. All the time. It gets really tedious after a while and beating a dead horse is mentally taxing. Is that a problem?

I don't think you quite understand how the global economy works. If one country's economy is shit, then everyone else's economies are going to suffer as well, as they DO affect each other. And I'm talking about all of the other nations on the planet, with the exception of dictatorships like North Korea, which nobody in their right mind wants to associate with or try to fight them. It's like being friends with a school bully. Especially one that is constantly demonstrating to the general public that they're armed to the teeth. And trying to fight them or provoke them is like intentionally poking a beehive full of giant, angry nuclear hornets with the potential power of nuking the entire planet when pissed off. So your comparison of North vs South Korea is a bad comparison.

History is a teaching tool. And history has taught us that secession doesn't really work out for anyone, so it's best to not repeat history. Or do you really want another civil war destroying half of the country again and tanking the economies, to the point that one half of the country holds a grudge for the other half for centuries?

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-26 13:40:44 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-26 19:44:08 +0000 UTC]

I didn't say they should...?

Why? Because it's too liberal?
And I just realized another negative to California seceding...The entertainment and tech industry would leave with it. So maybe gutting the state isn't such a good idea either.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-26 20:18:01 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-26 22:12:20 +0000 UTC]

And they would do that with new trade deals. Just because it's no longer part of the US doesn't mean they shouldn't associate with it anymore. But if the do make trade deals with California after secession and if the economy goes into the toilet, then the US economy will be *affected too.

Move those industries...? That's easier said than done. You can't just pick up entire industry like it's a tangible thing and just move it somewhere else. Those industries are not just one company. They're made up of dozens or hundreds of businesses. Not to mention, most of the major corporations already have offices in places like New York. But the major business happens in California. And unless they start going bankrupt, they're not just going to suddenly abandon their offices or studios in Hollywood or LA. That would take years or decades to do and cost a shit-ton of money to do it, and most sensible corporations are not going to throw money away like that. So if California secedes, the entertainment and tech industries will leave with it...And the secession would negatively affect those industries for both sides.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-26 22:15:01 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-27 00:11:38 +0000 UTC]

So you're okay with not having inexpensive/affordable state-of-the-art technology? Video games? Films? Because if the state secedes, the prices for those things will skyrocket.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-27 00:23:05 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-27 00:33:21 +0000 UTC]

Even if you get screwed over just as badly or worse...?

Okay, out of curiosity...What are your reasons for hating California? My best guess from your comments so far are because it's too liberal. But you already said there were a lot of reasons, but you haven't said anything about those reasons...

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-27 00:37:17 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-27 00:47:33 +0000 UTC]

So...? What is that a bad thing?
Is this based on what you've learned from visiting the state or talking to Californians? Or are these just assumptions of the state?

What "stupid-ass projects"?
I swear, these are all legit questions...I'm the type that likes to know what people's reasoning is behind their viewpoints, to better understand why they have them. c:

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-27 00:59:21 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-27 01:41:29 +0000 UTC]

Whoops, typo got past me...I meant to ask why is a large non-white population a bad thing to you? It's just darker skin-pigment due to geography, sun exposure, and natural selection.
Have you actually been to the state...?

I like learning new viewpoints; it's fun.
That was about increasing the spending on education in 1988...I thought funding education is a good thing.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-27 04:22:04 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-27 19:09:06 +0000 UTC]

Okay, so they have different political opinions. Why does that mean you should hate them or the whole state? I have friends on both sides of the political spectrum. Sure, we disagree but that doesn't mean I think they should go eat a dick or I can't be friends with them.

Then how do you know the population consists of International Communists, SuccDems (what does that even mean? Because not even Google knows), Rich Leftists, etc if you've never been to the state?

To be honest, I'd rather double the spending on a good cause meant to benefit all people, than spending it on a cause that only benefits the few.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-27 19:52:35 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-27 22:53:53 +0000 UTC]

So? I do too. Different opinions are going to be everywhere. Kinda silly to hate someone for them. :T

But not everything you read on the Internet is going to be reliable/accurate with information. And everyone's well aware that every news media outlet isn't reliable either. Sure, you have to deal with what you can find when you don't have the time nor the money to travel, but one of the best ways to learn is by experience...

Still...If we're going to be overspending anything, better to overspend on something everyone can benefit from. It'll help in the long run.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-27 23:41:43 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-28 00:31:08 +0000 UTC]

Yup. c: Not to all 50 states, but at least a good chunk of them. I've also been overseas once, been across the border a few times years before the border-fence went up, worked/lived/studied with people of various ethnicities, backgrounds, nationalities, religions, sexualities, etc...

And what about students...? Pretty sure it benefits them the most.

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-28 00:50:40 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-28 01:30:59 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't assuming about any place I haven't visited? I didn't even tell you what places I haven't visited yet. I only said I've visited several states and somewhere overseas. But I never specified which states (except for California) or which overseas country.
...Or are you trying to twist my words? I'm a little confused.

Says the one who's never been to CA.
Pot, meet kettle...

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-28 02:16:20 +0000 UTC]

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World-Hero21 In reply to The-Black-Legionary [2018-01-29 18:08:28 +0000 UTC]

Figures. Such an easy cop-out instead of forming your own rebuttal. :T

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The-Black-Legionary In reply to World-Hero21 [2018-01-29 18:10:07 +0000 UTC]

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