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Sanji07 In reply to Red-Jirachi-2 [2015-01-07 02:22:22 +0000 UTC]

Yes. 

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Poporetto In reply to cereal-in-a-bowl [2014-02-01 11:21:42 +0000 UTC]

hehe thank you

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cereal-in-a-bowl In reply to Poporetto [2014-02-01 15:05:55 +0000 UTC]

Keep up the good work!

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purplegc In reply to Szelenbaum [2013-08-01 07:54:58 +0000 UTC]

Yes. But if you read the bible, good works FOLLOW salvation. You can't work for your salvation. Because we're sinful human beings, we can't match up to God's requirements. You know what the mosaic law is, right? That is God's law, and if you break even one of those commandments, you've sinned. That's why Christ came to do what we could not and extend to us salvation through Him. 

Now, it is true a christian should be doing good works. But the thing is that they aren't something a Christian does because he's working for his salvation by it. He does it because he is already saved and has love for his fellow human beings. He has the Holy Spirit living in him which sways him to do good works because it is the right thing to do, and we spread God's love that way. We WANT to do good works if we are saved, and Christ can do amazing things through us if we are willing. 

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Szelenbaum In reply to purplegc [2013-08-02 11:06:42 +0000 UTC]

I know that perfectly - it's just that very often I see that people are using "only faith" argument to negate the role of one's free will or to minimize the meaning of trying to be a better person OR EVEN to say that sinning doesn't really matter. I was shocked to find out thet Luter himself wrote that kind of statement (maybe that's why in his works you can find a sentence saying that God need to be a devil first, then, no sooner, He can be truly God).

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purplegc In reply to Szelenbaum [2013-08-03 01:46:59 +0000 UTC]

Ah, ok. ^^ Yes, that's a shame. It's actually painful to see how far someone will distort the truth to justify their own actions. But that will always happen because humankind is corrupt and self-serving.  

Ah, really? I didn't know that. I'm not so shocked, though. Luther lived in a time where theology was really murky and only the priests were even allowed to read and interpret the bible. The bible was actually on a list of banned books by the Roman Catholic Church. From what I've read, he also wanted to remove the book of James because he felt it conflicted with Paul's faith only theology when in reality they coincide. But beyond the basics of the reformation, I don't really delve much into Lutheranism because it's too similar to Catholicism in its practices for me. (I'm Protestant, but I don't identify myself with one set denomination.) 

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Szelenbaum In reply to purplegc [2013-08-04 20:21:21 +0000 UTC]

He actually did remove some things from the bible that he didn't like, BUT he missed some vague points (like 2 Thessalonians 3:6) that affirm sola verbum Dei rather than sola scriptura.

srry, the only things I know about denominations is what I've read in Scott Hahn's books

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purplegc In reply to Szelenbaum [2013-08-04 20:53:33 +0000 UTC]

Are you talking about the apocrypha? I think he just set them aside in their own section and said they weren't true books, but gave good insight to the gap in-between. What is Sola Verbum Dei? I've never heard of it until now. (I translated it, and I don't understand how it isn't the same as Sola Scriptura because scripture is the word of God.) 

That's fine. XD You don't have to for the most part. In most protestant denominations, the core message is the same: receive Christ as you savior. We only have small divergences such as the topic of infant or believer baptism or things like secure or insecure salvation. The real breech begins when you compare basic Protestantism to Catholicism. The differences there are huge.

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Szelenbaum In reply to purplegc [2014-04-07 10:21:21 +0000 UTC]

I didn't how much difference there are between catholicism and protestantism until I've read "Home sweet Rome" by Scott Hahn (like I had no idea that protestant bible clearly states that you cannot have the Biblie WITHOUT Tradition. Wow)- I recommend this book, the analogy about constitution of USA is simply brilliant. 

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purplegc In reply to Szelenbaum [2014-04-08 00:31:45 +0000 UTC]

I think you have it the other way around...? The Roman Catholic church states that its tradition (their catechism, practices, etc.) are equal in authority to the Bible. They also say that anything the pope says "ex cathedra" is infallible. Protestantism is mostly the opposite-relying on scripture as the only and final authority. I say mostly because there are cults, but most mainstream protestant denominations stick to the bible as the only authority. The whole reason the Protestant Reformation happened was because people such as Luther were rejecting traditions the Roman Catholic church had instituted- indulgences among other things. It was actually happening before the reformation, but the people before Luther were largely killed as heretics if they refused to take back what they had disagreed with.

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Szelenbaum In reply to purplegc [2014-04-10 17:50:23 +0000 UTC]

I think you didn't understand me. But it might be my poor english, sorry

Anyway, I highly recommend "Home sweet Rome" by Hahn - he was a protestant, very proud of Luther, and suddenly he realized that protestant Bible defends Sola Verbum Dei and not Sola Scriptura (yes!! - read his book to find verses in the protestant Bible that shocked him so much and see how desperatly he tried to defend sola scriptura and failed).  

I also recommend brilliant essays from Chesterton.

Cheers.

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quiet-ghoul In reply to danvolodar [2012-09-11 03:57:49 +0000 UTC]

Jesus saved all sinners, but you must believe in Him and have good intentions in your heart to go to heaven.

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danvolodar In reply to quiet-ghoul [2012-09-13 15:36:08 +0000 UTC]

So, if I believe in Him and have good intentions in my heart, I can sin freely, and still get to heaven?
Suppose I'm commanding an army about to assault a city that has half its population as dangerous heretics. Should I order the troops to kill everyone, since God will recognize his own? After all, I have the best intentions for both my soldiers, the nation, and even the heretics themselves.

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quiet-ghoul In reply to danvolodar [2012-09-14 06:49:11 +0000 UTC]

human sin is natural, but you need to actually feel bad about sinning. On the ideas of battles like that I honestly can't say because I have not studied that part of my religion. In MY personal belief, no one has the right to condemn another to death because that is doing the exact same thing the villain has done, and that makes you worse.

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danvolodar In reply to quiet-ghoul [2012-09-14 19:29:39 +0000 UTC]

Sin is natural? "And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell" Mark 9:47. Mark certainly doesn't seem to be that lax.

So if I don't feel bad about my sins and believe in Jesus, I can do whatever I want?
What if I want to be rich? What about Luke 18:25, "For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God"?

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quiet-ghoul In reply to danvolodar [2012-09-15 06:01:13 +0000 UTC]

If you know so much, then you have your answers. Sin is the FATE of man, if you read the first book of the Bible, Genesis. Adam, Eve, the apple, the serpent? You also must remember there are NUMEROUS versions of the Bible, and you need to intimately study each version and figure out what is false and what is true. I am not saying it is good to sin, but it still happens, doesn't it? If you DO feel bad about your sins. I am not promoting murder, or stealing or anything of that extreme, but it is in one's nature to sin. To do bad things. Negative thoughts are sins. Coveting is a sin.
You want to be rich? Then be rich, but do not forget about the poor and those less fortunate than you. Donating and doing good for the community, at any level, is a fulfilling and wonderful thing. Being GREEDY with your money is another.

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danvolodar In reply to quiet-ghoul [2012-09-15 18:06:12 +0000 UTC]

God certainly did not take the Fall of Man for granted. Adam and Eve were severely punished for their transgression, as well as all the other people by extension. Jesus said you should pluck your own eye if it causes you to sin, and cut off your own limbs if they do - and you say sinning is natural? Are you sure you're Christian?

"Be rich"? Jesus said "sell _all that you have_ and distribute to the poor", "for it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".

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quiet-ghoul In reply to danvolodar [2012-09-16 05:06:22 +0000 UTC]

I know all of this, but is it possible to NOT sin? Since Eve took that fateful bite, humanity's fate was shut. No matter how hard you try, even your own personal thoughts can be considered sinful because nothing can be hidden from God.
Am I a church going christian? No. Do I believe in Jesus and do I study the Bible? Yes. Have a picked it up in awhile? No.
As I've questioned before, why are you asking a simple question like that if you already know the answer? Also, you say Jesus said that? You said that came from the Book of Luke, correct? Luke did not firsthand witness Jesus' sermons. What Luke says is not affirmative because he was not there. He could be adding his own interpretation or whatever else in there.

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danvolodar In reply to quiet-ghoul [2012-09-16 21:27:49 +0000 UTC]

Well, apparently if you go by the word in the Bible, it is not only possible not to sin, you must not sin if you don't want to end up in hell. Oh, and yeah, Jesus redeemed that original sin by his sacrifice, so what Eve did lingers upon humanity's fate no longer.

Why not? Christianity puzzles me, as do Christians. So I want to know what they actually think and believe.

Apparently some of them doubt Evangelists.

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