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Edited: Debate me, don't just come on here and tell me to kill myself like an asshole. If you have a counter to my points, let's discuss...Everything Wrong With Yang vs. Tifa Death BattleOk, super nerd alert, but this is a fun debate topic and I wanted to analyze Screw Attack's reasons for Yang winning and determine if they are legit. What I reference here are things they mention in the video.
lolwut count: 10
Tankiness: Both Yang & Tifa can survive massive hits through concrete pillars (among other many massive hits in their respective lores). Yang was classified as tanky because of this but Tifa was called a "glass cannon." They brought it up multiple times to prove how tough Yang is and completely ignore instances of Tifa doing the same thing (or more). In the context of this fight, if Yang is classified as tanky for a reason then Tifa should also be classified as tanky for the same reason. lolwut?Advantage Tifa: Yang does not do well against kick fighting techniques apparently. Tifa is commonly seen as just a punchy character, but she uses kicks as a regular part of her fighting style. Throughout the fight Yang kicked ass against Tifa's kic
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Sad that some people are still continuing to this day...
Good art tho.
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Haha. This piece was made long before all the controversy. Some might say it started the controversy.
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Thank you for making that Journal most people agree with it. Some people on the other hand try to debunk it but just ran off and made excuses like this guyΒ comments.deviantart.com/1/5826β¦ who didn't have any come backs.
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No Need for discussion. This says why you and the much less rational fanboys are wrong.
barlow-sandist.deviantart.com/β¦
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Guess what it's gone now.Β
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All I see is Barlow getting his arguments shot down one by one by someone.
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Having his argument about how Adam's sword works discredited by Miles Luna's own words in this video.
youtu.be/wdUMisVDijM?t=50m56s
Β Having to be reminded Mercury threw the match against Yang and that fight can't be used in support of her combat abilities. And he can't just say that Monty saying that Yang is weak to kicks isn't true merely because he says so.
Being told he can't just say certain regional versions of FF7 aren't allowed to be used when Death Battle themselves used both international and japanese verisons of franchises in the past.
Having it pointed out you can't say that physics HAVE to apply to a series that constantly give said physics the middle finger.
I'm sure more will come up depending on how those two play this out.
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Alright, fair enough. However you can't deny that the FF7 fans are being WAY too hostile because their waifu lost.
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Yeah, you're not really one to judge, Mr "Steal Death Battles so I can make sure RWBY characters win".
Also, two aggressive people out of a fanbase of like, 7 million is not good enough to start going after Tifa fans in general.
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>Stealing death battles
1. You know more than one person can write a death battle with the same characters.
2. I write based on my own personal bias. ('Cept Adachi vs Sans, did research that time.)
3. I wrote that Ruby vs Marluxia one because I was pissed at the guy for kicking my ass again in Chain of Memories.
>2 Aggressive people
Actually, it's like half the fandom.
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Except, it's not half the fandom. Most of the fandom so far has made genuine, believable points on why Tifa would stomp all over not just Yang but the entirety of RWBY. At this point she is basically their god-tier.
Also...
Debunking Yang vs Tifa: The Guide Pt. 1I have decided to separate my points in two parts because DA won't allow me to post the entire thing because it's too long and I don't know a way around it. So here is part 1.
It was brought to my attention that someone posted aΒ "counter" to an argument that I and other people have made and this person basically placed all the blame on Tifa fans. Somebody spread this to my group in a crude manner. They barged in, give me the link and act as though the journal writer is some heaven's gift to Yang wankers to FINALLY prove their argument.
Before I begin, I will have to indicate first that I will counter his arguments that are in the emotional grounds first and I will only answer a bit of his actual arguments. I will leave the honor to :iconrisinguppercut: to delve deep into it.
So to start the fun.
Hate to disappoint......
.....but said journal writer was proven as a troll by myself and others months ago. He was in fact the one to block me because he can't even argue straight withou
Debunking Yang vs Tifa: The Guide Pt. 2Part 1:
Feint Brawling
You forgot to add what feinting is all about.
Feints are, in military tactics and many types of combat, maneuvers designed to distract or mislead, done by giving the impression that a certain maneuver will take place, while in fact another, or even none, will.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feint
You acknowledge that Tifa is a feint brawler but you shrug it off by saying
As Yang is a brawler herself, she is accustomed to Tifa's own moves, unless the moves are utilizing magic or performing a feint, in which case Yang is at a disadvantage.
Tifa as a feint brawler WOULD DEFINITELY FEINT. Sheesh! You're saying as though she would only use brawler style of fighting against Yang.
Loz is by all means a brawler. But he was not accustomed to her feinting. In fact it was what allowed Tifa to dominate most of the fight!
These are the two instances of her feinting against Loz:
Over here we have a good ol' debunking of Yang vs Tifa, the Guide. And Barlow never intended to reply back to these statements, so I suppose he conceded.
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So you're agreeing and saying that the entire Death Battle fandom is full of obsessive cunts with too much time on their hands. Neat, thanks for the verification.
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Nah, I'm saying "Drop the salt and accept your fault". You're being quite a hypocrite for claiming they have too much time on their hands when you referred to one of these people with too much time on their hands.
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And I'm saying "This argument is 4 fucking years old now. Give it a rest because I no longer care." I have a differing opinion. Get over it because I'm sick of butthurt dickheads shouting at me because I don't think the same way as them. It's fucking fanfiction for crying out loud! I should not be getting death threats because of this. The vs community needs to die out because these fuckers have serious issues and should not be anywhere near the internet. You can tell me I'm wrong all you want, my stance on this isn't going to change.
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Kid, this is the internet. Death threats from 12-year old rapid fanboys should not be bothering you.
Although your ignorance to this day is still very showing, which should be expected from a RWBY fan, hahaha!
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I know all the internet entails. Nothing stopping me from thinking it's absolutely retarded though. 12-year-olds, manchildren, whatever the fuck they are, they are living cancer.
Oh look, another idiot making stupid generalizations based on opinions that have long since changed or otherwise been discarded. Then again, what should I expect? The Death Battle fandom is made exclusively of retards, hahaha!
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Not a death battle fan, hahaha! I think Death Battle is cancer just like RWBY.
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Then why are you trying to debate with me on this? You're a fucking idiot, ya know that?
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(I'm going to regret this.)
I guess I can see how people despise the result. But hey, no matter who wins in any Death battle, there is always going to be fury among fans who love this character. Even if Tifa won, there would've been accusions THAT was rigged and the writer is a Final Fantasy fan.Β
Both sides have their different opinions and like a character more than the other. Maybe the battles are biased, maybe they're not.Β Like for the Death battle for Pokemon vs Digimon, I rooted for Pokemon because it was what got me into the Nintendo franchise in the first place. When pokemon lost, it was okay, because that didn't change anything about it. These results are what MIGHT happen. It isn't set in stone.
This is what happens with almost every Death Battle. 'This battle is rigged' or 'This character didn't get an 100% description so that's why the character lost.' That so and so charcter couldn't have possibly lost becasue there was no chance the other character could've possibly won. Or how people rooting for the winning character have to be douchbags about their character winning and rubbing it in people's faces.Β
In the end, it doesn't matter. These Death battles are just for fun.
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I do enjoy the implication that Tifa can only beat Team RWBY if Sephiroth comes in to help her out by impaling them... It's rather funny if you think about it.
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I get the feeling that Rooster Teeth characters are going to be banned from future Screw Attack Death Battles unless they are fighting each other.
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Red VS Blue will be featured in the next episode.
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Thankfully, it was one Rooster Teeth character against another, so there is no bias in that way.
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Hmm, I didn't think about that but I could actually see that happening.
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I can understand you were not happy with the result but why do you have pick on the others? They didn't contribute with the death battle.
Also wouldn't it be more satisfying to have Tifa just beat Yang than have the final boss to just turn her and her friends and sister into a shish kebab? Your not even letting her finish her own fight.
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Read the description please. This piece is the starter for a debate, not an attack on RWBY fans in any way.
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I'm not trying to be a fanboy starting a fight.
I'm just saying you could've done a better job conveying how you feel about the whole thing. If it was up to me I would've had Tifa snap Yang's neck just to show some irony.
I'm a huge RWBY fan, but not enough to antagonize others just because what they thought of the whole thing. Personally I thought it was too soon considering how young the series still is, who knows what else they could've add.
So take this response more like criticism rather than a rant of a touchy fan. Besides it's just a fight, it doesn't really mean anything on their respective series.
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Done a better job conveying how I feel? I wrote an entire journal that is coupled with this piece explaining in no uncertain terms my position. Also, there's no way I would draw kill-art as you suggest. I specifically didn't have anyone dying, dead or in pain in this piece so I could never be lumped into that group.
BTW, the "wait a few seasonsΒ fallacy" is a bad one for this conversation. It's been brought up and shot down many times. We're talking about the present and current objective facts about the lores.
You can criticize me all you want, I am cool with that. I will absolutely respond though to anything you bring up. You seem to be very adamant that I did something wrong while at the same time you suggest worse art(killart) leaving me very confused to your actual position. I've not left anything up to question in my stance, i've not attacked any RWBY fans and have strictly approached this conversation as objectively as I can. The fact that my art is provocative means absolutely nothing. Me disagreeing with opposing positions IS NOT antagonism. Not having your opinions IS NOT hateful or wrong.
If you want to get right down to it, I have been the most respectful person in this conversation. I've provided evidence to back up my stance, something you haven't addressed for a second time now.
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You're entire claim rests on an appeal to emotion fallacy... Prove me wrong, don't call me mean...
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Admittedly I thought the journal was not worth seeing because I figured it was mostly a hate response to the whole ordeal. Everyone got something to say to every Deathbattle, Samus vs Boba Fett, Spiderman vs Batman, and the forever infamous Superman vs Goku. I heard a lot of things but really who knows who could really win unless we can get the real characters to fight each other rather than throwing statistics, I'm mostly in it just to see fun fights.
But besides that, I really was just sharing my thoughts on that one pic by itself. I didn't mean to come out so strong, again I'm a huge RWBY fan but I'm not the kind of fan to leave hateful comments on others that disagree with me, I even gave you a suggestion to try a different but just as gruesome method.
I'm not trying to be one of those people who leave hate comments. Believe me I'm doing my best to be mature as possible and this is coming from a guy who was pissed about the whole pizza being eaten before I had one.
Oh and the season thing is true, just recently we discover Weiss can summon a creature. So again who knows what they could've add (okay last fanboy thing I would say about this I swear)
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Ok, so you jumped to conclusions about me, my stance and my intentions and then bashed me personally while at the same time suggesting something entirely more gruesome for me to draw. Then you try and back peddle by saying you're not here to start anything but totally still think my methods are wrong despite not addressing my stance at all for a third time. Finally, you STILL commit the "wait a few seasons fallacy" even though it breaks your entire argument as the discussion is about Tifa NOW and Yang NOW. That's what screw attack had to work with, that's what we have to work with...
I get it now, you're a pseudo-intellectual fanboy who's butthurt that people have opinions. Prove me wrong, that's not even ad-hominem; I am basing that off our numerous interactions. You refuse to address my points and make claims about me and my intentions without providing ANY evidence, after which you back peddle because you realize YOU'RE the one actually being an antagonizing ass.
--- side note---
BTW you're the worst type of responder I've gotten to these pieces. The people who tell me to kill myself are easy to laugh at, but the numerous people like you actually think their holier than thou yet NEVER back up their opinion or address mine. You just come on here, try to stand on some kind of middle ground while bashing me on a personal level like i'm some kind of final boss bad guy. My theory is you're just sad not everyone loves your precious waifu Yang. You're the fanboy for RWBY that makes RWBY fans look like the worst MLP fans.
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It's clear I ended up starting something that I shouldn't.
To avoid this any further let me just say I'm sorry if this becoming more of a touchy subject. I wasn't really expecting this to happen.
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This happened because you gave into logical fallacy. Always question everything, especially yourself and especially the way you feel. Always seek new and complete information before acting.
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Hey hey don't be throwing more fuel to the fire.
I offered to back off and apologize for stepping out of line, you should at least respect that.Β
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I'm legitimately trying to help you by showing you why this went wrong for you. You can take or leave that if you want.
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Once again sorry (I'm really apologetic)
It's just I don't like others claiming what I'm not, there was no other intentions besides critiquing. Then you keep throwing the fallacy thing while I know fully well what I'm talking about, I just probably should've worded that out better.
When I made that first comment I wasn't really expecting a response cause why should you care what I think? I'm just some random person. Then this became one of those conversations I do my best avoiding albeit doing poorly XP
I remember getting in a ridiculous conversation about the irrelevance of ninjas and the guy block me and I can guarantee you it wasn't that heated. I think he just did it cause he was paranoid I was a troll or wanted to make an easy win in a argument. Whatever the reason I probably should've handled that more professionally and well you know, live and learn.
I don't want to repeat the same mistakes while making a better impression on myself. I hope you understand.
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Hang on!
Tifa had outside help! That's against the rules of Death Battle!
BTW, that was a joke, I actually like the art, and your entry on the things wrong with the fight are rather solid.
But, like a lot of people, I still call bull on those who think Yang won solely to promote RWBY. Unless someone can provide me a link that states it, I'm not buying.
Still, I like this humorous drawing you did, and it's much more professional than what Antcow did. (And by that, I mean infinitely, the asshole couldn't even bother to write Yang's character in a respectful way.)
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Want a link? Here's a link.
barlow-sandist.deviantart.com/β¦
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First off thank you, it means a lot to hear people like my artwork. Also, I think the reason people say they let her won to promote RWBY is because it's so far the best logical proposition for it. I mean think about it, Yang literally has no chance to beat a lvl 99 Tifa and there's mountains of solid evidence for that. So why let her win in the face of that? I can think of other less flattering scenarios such as Screw Attack is actually stupid, but honestly I don't think they are. No, I think they let Yang win because money. Promoting RWBY means they keep getting a paycheck.
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Eh, I doubt it, but hey, maybe the next RWBY character will lose.
I kinda dislike Weiss, maybe DB will kill her.
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Eh, this is in good fun. I won't rant here.
But I still feel that DB jumped the gun a bit, even if Yang (whom I was rooting for, but felt had low chances) won. They should've waited until season five or six to include a RWBY character.
On an unrelated note, do you enjoy RWBY?
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I see so many rwby fans saying this now. XD as if to say (nah the DB will eventually be right, you'll see!) empty man.
As for rwby as a show, character design is great. I love drawing rwby characters. The show is a chore to watch though. The characters are boring archetypes just like MLP. Archetypes work great for a kids show but they are so incredibly boring as an adult. And the whole high school drama thing... Ugh.
If you want to rant you should hop over to the journal entry. I'd be happy to debate you on this topic.
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Alright, let's just hit the elephant in the room right now: If Death Battle had waited, then RWBY would have gotten more episodes to showcase more of Yang's feats, and the remake would have come out, giving us superior real-world calculations to translate onto Tifa.
That is what I meant by "Waiting for season five or six."
I hope this clarifies what I meant, and as I said, I'm glad we could agree that DB dun goofed.
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Yeah. Too bad it left a massive gash on both sides of the argument.
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