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rbeebephoto In reply to Cam3rartus [2009-02-05 04:14:59 +0000 UTC]

thank you,
Richard

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rbeebephoto In reply to dragonmaster12 [2008-08-26 02:49:30 +0000 UTC]

thank you!

I'll send her a note to check out her pics here!

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There can - CAN, possible but no guarantees - be a stronger sense of "visual drama" in the absence of multi-color tones, when things are reduced to degrees of grey, from black to white. In one respect, it takes the viewer (and the photographer-editor) back to the initial film days of photography, when b&w was all there was...if you wanted color, you reached for a bit of chalk after-the-fact, and did your deed by hand on the print. The misconception these days is that "if it's black-and-white, it's gotta be great because it's more artistic." Which is a pile of crap, but there are w-a-y too many individuals out there that will bite on that and be reeled-in by lousy photography, just because it's f*cking grey tones! (meaning there may NOT be a black or a white)

Black-and-white is also a basic visual sense we have, that is over-ridden by our eye's color receptors. In low-light, the color sense shuts down (think of it like ISO 100 "film" that needs far more light that is possible in a 1600 "film" realm, while the grey receptors are still merrily marching along) Go out into the dark of night - like a dimly-lit back yard - and see how much "color" you are aware of...take a look at a dark scene, then look at a digital image of the same scene, and you'll be amazed how much color you swear wasn't there!

Maybe I still enjoy a GOOD b&w is because of what the viewer can find in those subtle shades when the color clues are removed. You said it rather nicely, actually! "abit more of a raw feel abit more crisp and dramatic" I still have a passion for that "visual drama" after all these years dragging a camera around with me.

Richard

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dragonmaster12 In reply to rbeebephoto [2008-10-22 20:40:48 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad you'll send her a note.

Ah i can see what you mean about taking people back to the initial photography days way back when black and white was the norm... but then also sometimes people like myself hadn't known about this until they entered college years... black and white photography was just as powerful to me when i was 3 to right now... maybe even more so now as i can and do know about the past...

but for many years i just marvelled at the contrasts and the tones and what sort of emotions and idea's it truly stired within my heart, And you are right that is a misconception... sometimes colour images don't have the same scope and texture and tone and contrasts and such as black and whites... but that doesn't mean they cannot be completely and truly artistic and fantastic...

Another thing that i hate and find a misconception is that people chuckle and laugh at photographers saying that anyone can do what we do... there are people who say the same of textiles art... and actual art (with the painting and drawing and etc) opeople actually say that anyone can do that... so alright then do it... do the job as well as us... take the time to learn from people who are teachers and have high knowledge of ideas...

there are so many ignorant people out there and where it is nice for people to say this is beautiful this is wonderful... i don't know about you but i crave people to tell me why it is that way and why they like it and what it makes them feel think and see.... and even why the hate it find it ugly and discusting.

and yes... i hate the fact that people just suddenly begin to post their images and say thats art straight away... no descriptions of what they are trying to do...

they post an amatuer image and say nothing... don't describe what they are trying to acheive... and don't even say they'll try to acheive better... just ocntinually posting the same crap over and over, and giving it nothing... thse people are ruining it for themselves and everyone... look through my gallery... some really rubbish images... some ok images in there too... but not once did i say that my images are perfect quality or even the best i can do ever... always said this is the best i can do for now... but i hope to do better one day.

and grey tones.... they are only worthwhile when combined with other things... not on their own i know how bloody aweful images can be when just greyscale... gah do i know ha

... i'll be honest i think people have always found black and white more interesting because of the lack of colours it's like giving you a picture for you to put your own colours in... like freedom of choice.... black and white removes colour and then gives us something much like a blank canvas to work with in our minds.

film and digitasl something i must endeavour to use both more often.

I may have put it perfectly for a black and white image... but you've described photographers perfectly... we love our art with more than passion... some of us dabble with drawing and textiles and such... but we are so comfortable with our camera's that we joke constantly about the small annoyances we've come to find so appealing and yet also even though it's an encumberance of gear etc... it's always nice the final image and qualities it brings out... from the starting idea or that little spike of thought... it'll always be something we love... and yes dragging you camera around with you for all these years.... isn't that what it's all about capturing every single action and movement and occurence in our own lives that we will always need to find comfort and interest from... be that a photograph of a lover... or of children playing... at the end of the day... us people photographers are trying to find and express what we see of the world... what people look over all too often...

And image that contains Black and White... can convey meanings and idea's, that are almost primeval to us human beings... these contrasts and tones set off thoughts emotions and mental stimulus that will send people into a frenzy of thought...

Photography like any other art is to not only satisfy peoples hunger for knowledge and fulfilment of their passions... it is also to give meaning to something that only we can see.. to convey ourselves more openly...

Dear richard your replies enlighten me... and i am only too sorry for my replies that go off on absolute tangents so i am sorry if i suddenly confuse you at points... and would not be troubled if you gave up entirely on this entire reply... thank you for giving me the time of day and the pleasure to think more about photography... a passion that i wish i'd found years before.

From Calum

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