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I know this is an unpopular opinion...but I don't hate Appledusk. He's one of my favourite characters, actually
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I don't like Appleshade, but I don't hate him, either. Nor do I say that he deserved to die (none of Mapleshade's victims did, really).
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Well, after reading Mellowix's journal about Appledusk and rereading Mapleshade's Vengeance, I like Appledusk (why did I say Appleshade before) more than I did before; only thing I don't like about him is the fact that he took Reedshine as a mate while he was still with Mapleshade, but on the other hand, it's not like we even know the story behind it, because we never see Appledusk's POV. That said, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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OH MY GOD THANK YOU. I actually agree with everything here!
And about Frecklewish, she did attack Mapleshade but I can't say I blame her. She appears to be suffering from depression, judging by Ravenwing's comment that the kit's birth gave her the will to live again. As someone suffering from depression, I can confirm that outbursts of anger, frustration, and yes, sorrow, are common. Frecklewish's action was a result of the situation and her possible depression. It's really sad
I feel like all the characters are tragic in one way or another. Frecklewish's depression, Mapleshade's (seeming) delusions, Ravenwing's decision, and Appledusk...well. His guilt of Birchface and Flowerpaw's deaths, his grief over his first litter's death and his death saving Reedshine. Even Oakstar's grief and anger over his son dying. Maybe if Birchface hadn't died he wouldn't have been so cruel.
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I retain my stance on Appledusk, but good for you!
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roses are red
violets are blue
dia in a hole
because i hate you
appleSUCK
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Never thought I'd live to see the day where people willingly defend this character so adamantly lmao.
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Will abandon you if you kill his kits through your recklessness
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Willa abandon and allow your kits to buried in a nameless grave and allow you to starve outside the clans because he is a terrible cat
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What are do you mean "nameless" grave? The kits got buried just like any other Riverclan cat. Do you expect cats to somehow carve a tombstone and develop written language just make their graves "named"?
Appledusk had every right to shut Mapleshade out of his life after she was the cause of all their children's deaths.
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It is an expression, they weren't buried with the Riverclan cats. I don't even like Mapleshade but she was desperate and afraid. They were mates! He didn't even try to help her at all after the kits death. He ignored her and let her be sent away with barely any time to mourn. Appledusk, whether or not he deserved to be in the Dark Forest, wasn't a good mate to Mapleshade and showed no mercy to her. Damn.
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That 'they weren't buried with the Riverclan cats' is completely false. Darkstar was extremely respectful towards them: “The loss of any kits is a loss to all of us." and “Rainfall, help Splashfoot and Eeltail to bury these kits. The accident of their birth is not their fault. They may lie in peace in our territory now.”
Of course, Appledusk showed no mercy to her because she was the one who killed all their kits through her recklessness by making them cross a dangerous river. I wouldn't blame anyone for divorcing a husband/wife after something like that. Appledusk didn't send Mapleshade away, that was Darkstar's choose. Also, Riverclan had already shown Mapleshade, an enemy exile, a lot of mercy for Clans: Saving her, trying to save her kits, respectfully burying them in their territory and not attacking Mapleshade despite her trespassing.
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Big Youtuber's videos are not gospel. Is biased considering Mapleshade is Draikinator's favourite character. I have watched that video and it wasn't researched - No evidence or anything, just remembered. In fact, it flat out gets things wrong. Like falsely claiming Appledusk called Flowerpaw 'stupid', when he actually called the whole battle itself 'mousebrained'.
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But I don't think Thunderclan cats even know when/where a flood is happening, besides it didn't even come when they were RIGHT in the middle of the river (lmfao) Besides, Frecklewish watched as the kits drowned and didn't help one bit. What Appledusk did was kinda...messed up to begin with, He did something he knew was wrong but still did it anyways, WHILE TAKING A MATE ON THE SIDE (Reedshine) Hes a big boi player lmfao, But I see what you mean by anyone would divorce someone over that but, Kinda wasn't her fault but kinda was?
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Mapleshade was very aware a flood was happening. It was heavy raining, the River had burst it banks and the stepping stones were completely underwater. Even Petalkit yelled there was too much water. If a kit can realise that, Mapleshade as a fully grown cat has no excuse. So it was already flooding before that large wave just happened to come. Earlier in the story, when Mapleshade took her kits to that same river to play during calm conditions, Patchkit still needing saving from Appledusk. So this should of been a clear sign to her that her kits can't swim in a flood unaided, like she makes them do in canon.
Next with Frecklewish, there was already a Riverclan patrol saving the kits. Mapleshade as another Thunderclan she-cat, needed saving, so the same would happen for Frecklewish. She couldn't of done anything and would of just made things worse, wasting the Patrol's short time to save the kits. It's like rushing into a burning building when firefighters are already there.
Finally Appledusk. I assume you mean him being in a forbidden relationship. However so many other characters, including Mapleshade, have done it as well. It can also be argued Forbidden relationship isn't mortally wrong as it's just love, but more an issue with the Clan system itself being so against outsiders. Also, about Reedshine, it's very common in Clan society for cats to have multiple mates: Whitestorm, Brindleface, Willowpelt, Goldenflower, Crowfeather, Greystripe, Dovewing, etc.
And literally all Forbidden mates must lie/use another cat to protect themselves or their Half-clan kits: Dovewing/Bumblestripe, Bluestar/Thrushpelt, Crowfeather/Nightcloud, Oakheart/Greypool, Leafpool/Brambleclaw/Squirrelflight, Yellowfang/Lizardstripe, etc. Which includes Mapleshade/Birchface. I mean, Mapleshade was allowing her kits to raised by Birchface's kin, into hating their father and wanting to kill him. I'd say that's more messed by then what Appledusk did.
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Well then answer this; where can Mapleshade after being exiled? She can't go to the kittypet places because back then they were tough like clan cats to protect their territory. Most certainty not Windclan or ShadowClan. So the only option was Riverclan and it was heavily raining. She wanted to get them shelter as fast as possible and the closest place was Riverclan. Mapleshade wouldn't have to make them cross the river if Ravenwing kept his mouth shut, if Oakstar didn't cast out the kits. He knows damn well it's flood season and Maplshade had no where else to go but Riverclan. He could've let the kits stay just until flood season is for their safety as part of following the warrior code. I mean come on! It's not like they get to pick which cats their related to! If he let them stay until the flood season pass then make them leave then they're still alive and Mapleshade wouldn't start losing her mind. She can wait until the season pass and take them to Riverclan.
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We're (or rather Mellowix is, the legend) defending Appledusk, not Oakstar. Oakstar played a huge role in getting three kits killed and that's really, really bad.
fdfddfs i know this comment was made in march but no one responded so
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Appledusk is disowning Mapleshade because, in his eyes, she caused their deaths, showing he genuinely cared about the kits. Not only did the Kits die, but Mapleshade almost got herself killed and risked the lives of a Riverclan patrol to save them, including Appledusk himself. I wouldn't blame anyone for doing that honestly. If the kits' deaths can justify Mapleshade's murders for some fans, but can't it for Appledusk's much less extreme act of rejecting his forbidden mate?
Appledusk never said Mapleshade and the kits were a mistake:
Confessions: “Three kits have drowned in the river. I...I am their father,” [...] “Many moons ago, I met with Mapleshade in secret.” [...]. “Mapleshade told me she would raise them in ThunderClan,” [...] "Mapleshade’s Clanmates learned the truth and she had to leave. The river is flooded and the kits were too young to swim across.”
Apologizing: “I’m so sorry, Reedshine. Please forgive me.” [...] “I will regret it for the rest of my life, and I can only beg for your forgiveness.” [...] “I knew I had made a mistake so I said nothing to my Clanmates.” [...] “I should never have betrayed my Clan by meeting with Mapleshade." [...] “I will never forget your mercy, Darkstar. Thank you. I promise my loyalty lies only with RiverClan, and my Clanmates.”
Even after all that, Darkstar still uses those quotes: “The loss of any kits is a loss to all of us. But you broke the warrior code, Appledusk. How can I ever trust you again?” and "I will allow you to remain in RiverClan—but know that I and the rest of the Clanmates will be watching you. You will have to earn back our trust.”
And as you can see through all those quotes, Appledusk is either simply stating facts or sincerely apologizing for himself. He never once insults his kits or Malpeshade. Or never tries to purposeful shift blame to anyone else. Actually, he does the opposite, always only referring to himself in the 1st person, making it sound like he's more the one to blame. Only ever referring Mapleshade in factual explanations.
The reasons he never asked what their names are likely to be:
1) He thought it was inappropriate to learn his children's names, from the person he blames for their deaths. He can learn from other cats, it didn't specifically have to be Mapleshade.
2) He already knew their names without Mapleshade being aware. There were 2 moons between the kit's birth and deaths - So a lot of time for Appledusk to learn their names. Prime chances he had: Thunderclan speaking about them at the Gatherings or when Mapleshade ran into Appledusk when she took the kits to play in the river, in which she called them by name serval times.
3) He was so overwhelmed with the situation, he didn't realize he didn't know his 1st litter's names until it was too late to ask their mother. Mapleshade was sent away quickly, only being present for the walk to Riverclan camp and a brief conversation with Darkstar.
4) He planned to rename the kits himself. (No evidence for this, but still a possibility.)
(All of these are from the In-Depth Appledusk Defense, I didn't come up with these on my own)
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Alright, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it!
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