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ParisisL [2020-01-01 10:50:39 +0000 UTC]
No Greece?!
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adir84 [2019-11-05 13:20:31 +0000 UTC]
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MviluUatusun In reply to KeizerHarm [2019-11-05 09:44:38 +0000 UTC]
While I'll admit to not knowing about Norte Chico until your comment, I would ask when it existed.Β The reason for this is because, if you'll note the time frames of these civilizations, they are considered the 4 oldest human civilizations.Β The oldest acceptable human civilization was Sumeria/Mesopotamia (circa 2500 B.C.) and, it seems, civilization branched out from there.Β I believe the oldest American civilization was the Oltecs in Mexico from around 1500 B.C.Β By this time, civilization was pretty established in Europe and Asia.
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KeizerHarm In reply to MviluUatusun [2019-11-05 16:51:44 +0000 UTC]
The earliest cities in Norte Chico formed around 3500 BC - by 3100 BC there were thirty of them (that we know of). They formed, within the margin of error, roughly at the same time as Sumer.
They were also unique in that it seems they did not practise agriculture for food but only for flax: they fished intensively instead. They are such a weird civilisation, and the reason people don't know about Norte Chico is because we only know about them for like two decades. And the reason we only know about them for two decades is because they happened to be located in modern-day Peru, and Peru had been spending its limited archaeology budget mostly on Incan sites.
Norte Chico is so underappreciated, and it's about time that changed.
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GrantExploit In reply to KeizerHarm [2019-11-30 07:36:38 +0000 UTC]
They weren't Bronze Age at all, thoughβthey were spectacularly technologically primitive in comparison to the other civilizations when they formed states (or social/urban organization that gives the appearance of a state society), being Pre-Pottery Neolithic and (as you said) having little food agriculture. And while the production of Bronze did exist in the Near East by the time of the formation of the first states in Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus region (that is, the close of the IV Millenium BCE), it wasn't widespread-enough to really consider them Bronze Age, either.
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KeizerHarm In reply to GrantExploit [2019-12-03 22:32:49 +0000 UTC]
I suppose I was more arguing that Norte Chico should be included with the traditional "cradles of civilisation", and not the specific Bronze Age dimension, but fair enough.
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MviluUatusun In reply to KeizerHarm [2019-11-05 23:07:34 +0000 UTC]
Interesting.Β Perhaps we should study them more because if their civilization is that old then, it would mean that the American Indians/Native Americans developed civilization independently of European/Asian civilization.Β Perhaps, there was a reason that two civilizations half a world apart from each other developed at the same time.
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Hardwing [2019-11-05 06:06:30 +0000 UTC]
Interesting map!
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darklord86 [2019-11-05 05:07:03 +0000 UTC]
Cool map!
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