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syppy1 [2022-07-23 12:44:52 +0000 UTC]
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AmineGherensi [2018-10-17 16:09:45 +0000 UTC]
Don't worry about anachronisms since it possible that Berbers called themselves by an archaic form of Amazigh. Firstly, Amazigh itself is modern but it comes from the feminine form, Tamazghit. Secondly, it doesn't mean free men, it means noblemen. But that's okay, it's a common misconception. It is possible that the term the Ancient Egyptians gave one Berber tribe, the Meshwesh, comes from Tamazight and the same applies to the terms from other groups: Mauro and Mazice. So your AH is historically accurate most likely than not.
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kyuzoaoi [2017-05-13 01:20:42 +0000 UTC]
So the Guanches and Berbers are the remnants of Atlantis?
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SRegan In reply to kyuzoaoi [2017-05-13 09:28:55 +0000 UTC]
Sort of. I hedged my bets by stipulating that Atlantis was settled by proto-Berbers, so after the exodus they merged back into the north African linguistic and cultural landscape. I didn't want the Guanches to be direct remnants of Atlantis (explaining why there are no stone structures or traces of advanced metalworking on the islands); instead, I posited that they were descendents of a group that sailed back to Atlantis, tried to settle on the last mudbanks, then evacuated again as those broke up and settled in a much reduced state in the Canary Islands.
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InfernoMole [2017-04-29 14:59:15 +0000 UTC]
This is great, but...
>Troy
>Not in Anatolia
IT'S WRONG
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SRegan In reply to InfernoMole [2017-04-30 17:11:05 +0000 UTC]
...huh. You know, I have no idea why that is, and this wasn't even that long ago. I feel I would have remembered if I'd been going off an article that legitimately argued that Wilusha was not classicial Ilium. Best guess - I looked at a map of pre-Roman Greece and assumed 'Toryne' was another name for Troy, though it's still not quite right.
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noahcat [2017-01-11 22:10:17 +0000 UTC]
Cool! You got any more Atlantis stuff? Or do you know good sites with intentional pseudohistory that deals with Atlantis myth?
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SRegan In reply to noahcat [2017-01-12 20:20:13 +0000 UTC]
It's honestly not something I've got into before - just felt inspired by the MotF challenge. It does fit into the work I was doing on a short story/map piece where the Red Book of Westmarch* is sensationally revealed to be a real historical artefact, with archaeological digs uncovering traces of Gondorian and Númenor/Atalantë. Obviously this is a much more realistic take on the idea, and I gave some thought as to how a Bronze Age civilisation might 'disappear' linguistically and culturally.
* The oft-forgotten metafictional conceit behind The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings.
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noahcat In reply to SRegan [2017-01-12 22:03:19 +0000 UTC]
Ah yes.... are you perhaps aware of the fact that Frodo's name was not actually Frodo? And that Rohirrim did not speak Old English?
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Todyo1798 [2016-12-18 14:45:33 +0000 UTC]
Brilliant, I always loved a good historical take on old legends, and this one is excellent, including the slightly overstretched linguistics. Also nice to see the Berbers and the Guanches getting some love, as far as oft forgotten ancient peoples go they're some of the more interesting. Also, Guanches made god damn mummies? The History Channel would have been all over that shit.
As a side note, you could have added in a little bit about the Atlantic Bronze Age en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic… (formatting links on here is hard), since it's a bit of an interesting cultural phenomenon which would fit perfectly into the established history you've got. Plus love for the Celts
I'd considered trying to establish some iffy connection between the Berbers, the Basques, and the pre-Celtic British and Irish based on that theory. The Picts are distinct from the Britons, and there's some evidence that folks in the north of Ireland maintained some pre-Gaelic language and customs, but it's all a bit too far fetched and slightly Irish Supremacist on my part.
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SRegan In reply to Todyo1798 [2016-12-18 18:06:44 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! The Atlantic Bronze Age Culture definitely fits in - presumably ITTL it was spread by Atlantean tradesmen dispersing through Western Europe. There was a theory at one point that the Basque language had some similarities to Tuareg, though I believe not well-regarded these days. The thing is, languages are huge, and taking any two languages, no matter how divergent, you will probably find some set of phonemes that represents a similar concept. For example, while looking up this map I came across the Potomac/Potomos connection (where 'Potomos' is Greek for 'river'), which is fine as long as you don't realise 'Potomac' is the Anglicised version of Patawo-meake, which means 'Swan River'; so if anything 'Poto-mos' would have to come from 'Patawo-meake' rather than vice versa. Similarly 'teotl' ('God' in Nahuatl) drops the 'tl' in a longer word and becomes 'teo' (as in temple = 'teocalli'), which looks a lot like the Indo-European tiw/diw/zeus/deus/theos. Irish legend is pretty useful as it's basically a long chain of invaders/settlers, some proportion of which are probably historical and the rest legendary.
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