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Batman (1989) by Applause and Robin (1998) by Play by Play, big posable Sally (2018) by Disney and little Jack Skellington (2012) by Disney that Izalia gave me.

It's explained in Comics Shop News #179 (1990) that "The new Robin costume was chosen by Batman film director Tim Burton from several possible designs. 'Burton chose this particular costume because because he felt it was closest to the darker tone of the movie,' DC said."
www.1989batman.com/2015/09/rob…

In Comics Scene #17 (1991) Denny O'Neil explained, "We got about 15 different designs. We sent them out to [Batman director] Tim Burton and this was the one he liked best. And we liked this one the best [too]. So, it was a real consensus that this is the one we ought to go with. Some of the others were interesting, but we wanted to preserve the traditional Robin look and yet update it. One of the problems with the old costume was that it wasn't really very practical for a dark; night character."
www.1989batman.com/2014/10/rob…

Neal Adams designed the Robin costume that Tim Burton picked. Neal Adam explained, "It was very clear for years that the old Robin costume was silly. DC and Warner Bros were planning to put Robin in Batman feature films, and they needed a costume. There was a discussion back and forth between DC and Warner Bros. as to what they’d put the actor in. They wouldn’t put him that silly [Burt Ward] costume with the bare legs. The problem was, here’s Robin in this yellow cape: A perfect target for anyone who wants to shoot him. So how do you get rid of that target and still give him the iconic yellow cape? My solution was to make the outside of the cape black, and the inside of the cape yellow. At least then, he would have some defense. He could pull the cape over and disappear into the darkness, but still be Robin with the yellow. Then I deepend the red on his chest and torso, and gave him leggings. I also gave him ninja boots. The idea behind the ninja boots was that he was an acrobat, and so he would need something like that. Ninja boots are defined by the pull-in between the first and second toe, so you can grab something with your toes. I thought I took a Robin costume that, as a child, I was charmed by, and altered it into something that made sense. He’s an acrobat who calls himself Robin. We don’t want to make a target out of him, but we still want to keep the costume and take care of the licensing."
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In Comics Interview #93 (1991) Tom Lyle explained, "They showed the designs to the director of the first [Michael Keaton] Batman [(1989)] movie, Tim Burton, because [Tim Burton and] Warner Brothers does have some say in the look of the new Robin because not only are they the parent company of DC but they also did the first [Michael Keaton] Batman movie, which made lots of bucks. Tim Burton wants to use the new Robin in the new movie. Robin should be in the second movie, but don't quote me on that. Tim Burton, after looking over the designs, decided on the costume he wanted. The new costume was designed by Neal Adams. The costume is exciting because while it is new, it uses the old elements at the same time. I really had to fight to keep the spiked hair, not that helmet-head look. I wanted it to be real different."
www.1989batman.com/2014/07/rob…

Richard Grayson was originally planned for Batman (1989), in 1988 Tim Burton had cast 12 year old Ricky Addison Reed as Richard Grayson and Robin was in script writer Sam Hamm's first drafts of the script and there are even storyboards made of Robin. The Batman DVD special feature Batman: The Complete Robin Storyboard Sequence show all of the storyboards for the originally planned alternative ending of Batman (1989) with Robin.

In Rolling Stone magazine [June 1989] Tim Burton explained, "Ultimately it was too much psychology to throw into one movie. If there’s another movie, Robin would have to be established at the beginning, not be crammed into the third act."

www.rollingstone.com/movies/mo…

Tim Burton didn't end up having any Robin in Batman Returns because there wasn't room, but he was planning on probably having Robin in the 3rd one or 4th one.

A lot of people assumed Marlon Wayans was cast as Dick Grayson, but nope, this was a completely new original car mechanic character. Tim Burton had cast 19 year old African American Marlon Wayans as a car mechanic called "the Kid" [with just an R on his mechanics uniform, so presumably "the Kid"'s real name was Robin] for Batman Returns (1992), but there again were too many characters, so "the Kid" was removed from the script.

Tim Burton explained, "We tried really hard to work him in. In fact, we weren't even sure that the Kid would definitely be Robin. No matter what we did, though, he screwed up Batman's loner psychology, which is the deeper aspect of the character. Although I didn't think about it at the time I hired Marlon [Wayans], I realized after he was cut that a lot of people would have made a fuss about Batman having a black sidekick."

www.1989batman.com/2014/10/vin…

The Marlon Wayans African American mechanic who repairs the Batmobile concept by Tim Burton and Daniel Waters was included by Bruce Timm into the Batman: The Animated Series cartoon episode "The Mechanic" (1993) written by Laren Bright and Randy Rogel, with the mechanics named changed to Earl Cooper, a middle aged African American mechanic in the Timmverse, voiced by 52 year old Paul Winfield. He also has a daughter named Marva Cooper, voiced by 34 year old Candy Brown. That leads me to think of Marlon Wayans' car mechanic as being named Robin Cooper, and he could be the son of Earl Cooper in the Burtonverse.

I think Tim Burton would have cast young Leonardo DiCaprio as Richard Grayson if Warners had let Tim Burton direct a third Batman film. Leonardo DiCaprio explained that he had one meeting with Joel Schumacher and decided he didn't want the role of Joel Schumacher's Robin in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. "I never screen-tested. I had a meeting with Joel Schumacher. It was just one meeting and, no, I didn't end up doing it… I don't think I wanted the role. As I recall I took the meeting, but didn't want to play the role. [politely says] Joel Schumacher is a very 'talented' director, but I don't think I was 'ready' for anything like that."

www.cinemablend.com/new/Two-Su…

If Leonardo DiCaprio had a meeting with Tim Burton directing the third Michael Keaton Batman film in 1993, then it probably would have opened DiCaprio's mind about Robin beyond Burt Ward's "holy hamburger, Batman" Robin. As Danny DeVito explained in Starlog #183 (1992) that he had no intention of playing the Penguin until he had a meeting with Tim Burton and that opened his mind about the Penguin beyond Burgess Meredith's "wak waak waaak" Penguin.

Now I think Tim Burton would cast young Asa Butterfield as Richard Grayson. Tim Burton had cast Asa Butterfield in Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children (2016).

In the comics this Robin costume was known as the Tim Drake Robin costume because that was the Richard Grayson Robin replacement that wore it in the Post-Crisis DC Universe from 1990-2006. I think it was a mistake for the DC editors Julius Schwartz and Len Wein to have Richard Grayson Robin grow up in the '70s and '80s mainstream DC Universe comics and that started the Robin problem of needing Grayson Robin replacements of Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Damian, and Carrie Kelley in the Millerverse etc. I think Batman: The Animated Series really had it right with Robin being Richard Grayson in this improved '90s Robin costume and that's how I think the DC comics should be with Robin.

As Batman artist Don Newton explained in the Phoenix New Times [May 1983], "When they first introduced Robin, he was about twelve years old and all the kids who read the book could look at him and say, 'Yeah, that could be me.' Then a few years ago, the editors [Julius Schwartz and Len Wein] made a big mistake. They let Robin grow up and go to college. Now he's got hairy legs and he’s still running around in the little fairy boots. That costume was fine when he was twelve, but it looks ridiculous on someone of his age. Then they realized that Batman and Robin were too deeply ingrained in the American consciousness to team him up with another partner. People would accept Batman and Robin, or just Batman, but it wasn’t going to work with Batman and anyone else. So pretty soon you’re going to see Dick Grayson give his outfit to Jason and make him the new Robin. Then Robin will become someone else. Oh, there was a big discussion about that. They [Gerry Conway and Len Wein] finally decided that since Jason idolized Robin, he’d probably want to look as much like him as possible, which would mean changing the color of this hair. I don’t know whether he’ll dye his hair or just wear a wig -- that hasn’t been decided yet, but he’s got to do something. Warner Communications (the conglomerate that now owns DC) is going to make a big Batman movie, and then there are all those merchandising items like the dolls that would be obsolete if the new Robin didn’t have dark hair."

donnewton.com/interview1983.as…
And now DC have too many Robin's.

Description

Batman (1989) by Applause and Robin (1998) by Play by Play, big posable Sally (2018) by Disney and little Jack Skellington (2012) by Disney that Izalia gave me.

It's explained in Comics Shop News #179 (1990) that "The new Robin costume was chosen by Batman film director Tim Burton from several possible designs. 'Burton chose this particular costume because because he felt it was closest to the darker tone of the movie,' DC said."
www.1989batman.com/2015/09/rob…

In Comics Scene #17 (1991) Denny O'Neil explained, "We got about 15 different designs. We sent them out to [Batman director] Tim Burton and this was the one he liked best. And we liked this one the best [too]. So, it was a real consensus that this is the one we ought to go with. Some of the others were interesting, but we wanted to preserve the traditional Robin look and yet update it. One of the problems with the old costume was that it wasn't really very practical for a dark; night character."
www.1989batman.com/2014/10/rob…

Neal Adams designed the Robin costume that Tim Burton picked. Neal Adam explained, "It was very clear for years that the old Robin costume was silly. DC and Warner Bros were planning to put Robin in Batman feature films, and they needed a costume. There was a discussion back and forth between DC and Warner Bros. as to what they’d put the actor in. They wouldn’t put him that silly [Burt Ward] costume with the bare legs. The problem was, here’s Robin in this yellow cape: A perfect target for anyone who wants to shoot him. So how do you get rid of that target and still give him the iconic yellow cape? My solution was to make the outside of the cape black, and the inside of the cape yellow. At least then, he would have some defense. He could pull the cape over and disappear into the darkness, but still be Robin with the yellow. Then I deepend the red on his chest and torso, and gave him leggings. I also gave him ninja boots. The idea behind the ninja boots was that he was an acrobat, and so he would need something like that. Ninja boots are defined by the pull-in between the first and second toe, so you can grab something with your toes. I thought I took a Robin costume that, as a child, I was charmed by, and altered it into something that made sense. He’s an acrobat who calls himself Robin. We don’t want to make a target out of him, but we still want to keep the costume and take care of the licensing."
comicbook.com/2014/12/17/throw…

In Comics Interview #93 (1991) Tom Lyle explained, "They showed the designs to the director of the first [Michael Keaton] Batman [(1989)] movie, Tim Burton, because [Tim Burton and] Warner Brothers does have some say in the look of the new Robin because not only are they the parent company of DC but they also did the first [Michael Keaton] Batman movie, which made lots of bucks. Tim Burton wants to use the new Robin in the new movie. Robin should be in the second movie, but don't quote me on that. Tim Burton, after looking over the designs, decided on the costume he wanted. The new costume was designed by Neal Adams. The costume is exciting because while it is new, it uses the old elements at the same time. I really had to fight to keep the spiked hair, not that helmet-head look. I wanted it to be real different."
www.1989batman.com/2014/07/rob…

Richard Grayson was originally planned for Batman (1989), in 1988 Tim Burton had cast 12 year old Ricky Addison Reed as Richard Grayson and Robin was in script writer Sam Hamm's first drafts of the script and there are even storyboards made of Robin. The Batman DVD special feature Batman: The Complete Robin Storyboard Sequence show all of the storyboards for the originally planned alternative ending of Batman (1989) with Robin.

In Rolling Stone magazine [June 1989] Tim Burton explained, "Ultimately it was too much psychology to throw into one movie. If there’s another movie, Robin would have to be established at the beginning, not be crammed into the third act."

www.rollingstone.com/movies/mo…

Tim Burton didn't end up having any Robin in Batman Returns because there wasn't room, but he was planning on probably having Robin in the 3rd one or 4th one.

A lot of people assumed Marlon Wayans was cast as Dick Grayson, but nope, this was a completely new original car mechanic character. Tim Burton had cast 19 year old African American Marlon Wayans as a car mechanic called "the Kid" [with just an R on his mechanics uniform, so presumably "the Kid"'s real name was Robin] for Batman Returns (1992), but there again were too many characters, so "the Kid" was removed from the script.

Tim Burton explained, "We tried really hard to work him in. In fact, we weren't even sure that the Kid would definitely be Robin. No matter what we did, though, he screwed up Batman's loner psychology, which is the deeper aspect of the character. Although I didn't think about it at the time I hired Marlon [Wayans], I realized after he was cut that a lot of people would have made a fuss about Batman having a black sidekick."

www.1989batman.com/2014/10/vin…

The Marlon Wayans African American mechanic who repairs the Batmobile concept by Tim Burton and Daniel Waters was included by Bruce Timm into the Batman: The Animated Series cartoon episode "The Mechanic" (1993) written by Laren Bright and Randy Rogel, with the mechanics named changed to Earl Cooper, a middle aged African American mechanic in the Timmverse, voiced by 52 year old Paul Winfield. He also has a daughter named Marva Cooper, voiced by 34 year old Candy Brown. That leads me to think of Marlon Wayans' car mechanic as being named Robin Cooper, and he could be the son of Earl Cooper in the Burtonverse.

I think Tim Burton would have cast young Leonardo DiCaprio as Richard Grayson if Warners had let Tim Burton direct a third Batman film. Leonardo DiCaprio explained that he had one meeting with Joel Schumacher and decided he didn't want the role of Joel Schumacher's Robin in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. "I never screen-tested. I had a meeting with Joel Schumacher. It was just one meeting and, no, I didn't end up doing it… I don't think I wanted the role. As I recall I took the meeting, but didn't want to play the role. [politely says] Joel Schumacher is a very 'talented' director, but I don't think I was 'ready' for anything like that."

www.cinemablend.com/new/Two-Su…

If Leonardo DiCaprio had a meeting with Tim Burton directing the third Michael Keaton Batman film in 1993, then it probably would have opened DiCaprio's mind about Robin beyond Burt Ward's "holy hamburger, Batman" Robin. As Danny DeVito explained in Starlog #183 (1992) that he had no intention of playing the Penguin until he had a meeting with Tim Burton and that opened his mind about the Penguin beyond Burgess Meredith's "wak waak waaak" Penguin.

Now I think Tim Burton would cast young Asa Butterfield as Richard Grayson. Tim Burton had cast Asa Butterfield in Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children (2016).

In the comics this Robin costume was known as the Tim Drake Robin costume because that was the Richard Grayson Robin replacement that wore it in the Post-Crisis DC Universe from 1990-2006. I think it was a mistake for the DC editors Julius Schwartz and Len Wein to have Richard Grayson Robin grow up in the '70s and '80s mainstream DC Universe comics and that started the Robin problem of needing Grayson Robin replacements of Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Damian, and Carrie Kelley in the Millerverse etc. I think Batman: The Animated Series really had it right with Robin being Richard Grayson in this improved '90s Robin costume and that's how I think the DC comics should be with Robin.

As Batman artist Don Newton explained in the Phoenix New Times [May 1983], "When they first introduced Robin, he was about twelve years old and all the kids who read the book could look at him and say, 'Yeah, that could be me.' Then a few years ago, the editors [Julius Schwartz and Len Wein] made a big mistake. They let Robin grow up and go to college. Now he's got hairy legs and he’s still running around in the little fairy boots. That costume was fine when he was twelve, but it looks ridiculous on someone of his age. Then they realized that Batman and Robin were too deeply ingrained in the American consciousness to team him up with another partner. People would accept Batman and Robin, or just Batman, but it wasn’t going to work with Batman and anyone else. So pretty soon you’re going to see Dick Grayson give his outfit to Jason and make him the new Robin. Then Robin will become someone else. Oh, there was a big discussion about that. They [Gerry Conway and Len Wein] finally decided that since Jason idolized Robin, he’d probably want to look as much like him as possible, which would mean changing the color of this hair. I don’t know whether he’ll dye his hair or just wear a wig -- that hasn’t been decided yet, but he’s got to do something. Warner Communications (the conglomerate that now owns DC) is going to make a big Batman movie, and then there are all those merchandising items like the dolls that would be obsolete if the new Robin didn’t have dark hair."

donnewton.com/interview1983.as…
And now DC have too many Robin's.