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FutureTrunks22 [2015-11-01 07:30:02 +0000 UTC]

Poor Tifa but this fight was good

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MetaMaster54610 [2015-11-01 00:39:45 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I'm sorry, but this one was wrong. So, SO wrong.

First of all, they kinda had a no-limits fallacy argument riding on Yang winning. It's kind of ludicrous to assume that just because something doesn't have a STATED limit means it's automatically limitless. It's kind of like giving Batman a universe busting gauntlet to use against Spider-Man and using the argument that it's never been stated that Batman DOESN'T have a universe busting gauntlet. Besides, they actually showed that Yang DOES have limits. If she's hit with a strong enough blow, then that negates the effects of her semblance. Kinda hard to put it to use when you're knocked out.

Gameplay feats and whatnot actually SHOULD be taken into account. It is gameplay feats that makes Link a capable strategist. It is gameplay feats that make Mario capable of turning invincible. Gameplay feats are what gives Master Chief his impossible luck with finding weapons. Why should Tifa's gameplay feats be ignored when they used all of these? It's a little odd to assume that the game developers would give her these abilities in gameplay without the intention of having it be a display of what she's capable of in a fight. Clearly Tifa was meant to lift such large objects to an extent if the developers gave her that as one of her primary attacks. She was clearly there with Cloud the entire game, so decrying her gameplay feats is like saying she just stood there and did nothing, and also was lucky enough to never get hit even once the entire trip. Besides, there are moments in scripted events, such as bosses, where they have attacks that effect the entire team, which would most logically include Tifa, and some of those attacks even come from our friendly neighbourhood planet buster, Sephiroth himself. She even took some punishment from Sephiroth directly and survived, as well as helping to defeat the Ultimate Weapon, which caused a large crater around the petaton range, and survived an explosion that destroyed a small city. Already this puts her above Yang durability wise, since Yang has shown nothing over large building level, city block level if you REALLY want to be generous. There was also a portion of the game where she took over head of the team when Cloud was unavailable, so there's more canon events. Plus, she's also canonically one of the top three strongest in Cloud's team, and Cloud himself is at LEAST moon level in power. And in Dissidia, she fought Loz, basically 1/3 of Sephiroth, on even grounds, and actually forced him to take the fight seriously, and she was RUSTY at the time. And she literally KICKED away a blast from Bahamut Sin. She was even hardy enough to come out of the lifestream okay. The lifestream that knocked Cloud unconscious and messed with his memories? Yeah, that lifestream. Feats shouldn't be waved away due to where they came from, especially when the game makes it quite obvious these events happened in the story.

Tifa has also faced MUCH more dangerous opponents than Yang and Team RWBY. The absolute biggest threat they faced was probably the Nevermore, and Teams RWBY and JNPR all had to work together to beat it. But the Nevermore is still a MUCH lesser threat than the planet-busting Sephiroth, or the giant machines that can destroy cities with their mere presence alone.

Tifa's feat of throwing Cloud was INCREDIBLY underestimated. Keep in mind just how heavy the buster sword is. It's so heavy that two highly trained soldiers were literally incapable of so much as BUDGING it, even with their combined strength. And Tifa tossed both Cloud and the sword hard enough to break the sound barrier. And keep in mind that Tifa was entirely airborne when she did this. If she had been on the ground, she would have been able to apply more force and throw Cloud even harder. She's also, in cutscenes, been shown kicking enemies hard enough to send them ROCKETING dozens of feet away. These make the previously assumed gameplay exclusive feats a bit easier to swallow.

Tifa's abilities can perfectly match or even counter Yang's. Premium Hearts has the same effect as Yang's semblance, and materia gives her just as many ranged options. They seriously neglected to bring up just how brash, easily angered and hotheaded Yang can get in combat. Tifa is FAR more skilled than her. Hell, remember how Yang lost to Neo? Neo uses primarily a feint-based fighting style, like Tifa does in Dissidia. It's likely Yang would get VERY frustrated fighting her, which in turn would make her less focused, and allow Tifa more opportunities to strike. Plus, Tifa has equipment that completely shut down fire and burn damage, making Yang's fire attacks entirely useless against her.

Tifa is also far more experienced. She has fought in and won about three HUGE battles to save the world, while Yang is honestly only just barely past the start of her training. Frankly, even the low level monsters in FF can be scaled to most Grimm in terms of strength and combat methods.

Tifa is also FAR more tactical and levelheaded than Yang. As said before, she uses feints and fakeouts to throw her opponent off and create openings.

Yang may have destroyed Torchwick's mech...But keep these facts in mind: A. Ruby, Weiss and Blake had already softened it up for her. B. The mech was rendered stationary, so she had time to wind up for the punch, which she simply wouldn't have time to do against a smaller, faster, more skilled and more intelligent opponent. And C. Two other people and a twenty two pound dog defeated a whole squad of these things without much effort on their part at all. Tifa has actually defeated similar, more powerful giant robots before: the WEAPONs.

Now, let's talk about the pillar feat: It's...well, incorrect. You see, 1400 tons is actually what it takes to VERTICALLY destroy a pillar. As in, from the top down. They're built so that the TOP will support 1400 tons. Any more and the whole thing comes crumbling down. Yang was knocked into the SIDE of the pillar, which requires about 140 tons to destroy a pillar. MUCH less than what they've stated. Still impressive, but they failed to really look into Tifa's abilities. You see, Final Heaven is stated in the OFFICIAL GUIDE to have all the power of a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION. That's 50 megatons worth of pressure. Considering Yang was knocked unconscious by getting kicked into a steel ceiling, her just no selling the Final Heaven like that was just simply impossible.

They also brought up that Tifa's strength only comes from limit breaks. That's quite simply explained: Gameplay mechanics. Now, let me explain: There IS a difference between gameplay FEATS and gameplay MECHANICS. Gameplay mechanics are basically there to balance out the game and add challenge. See, most of Tifa's limit breaks are very simple wrestling moves. They're only limit breaks because they're so powerful, her being able to use them whenever would make the game FAR too easy. It's unreasonable to assume she needs to build up a special metre in order to piledrive Yang into the ground.

They tried to attribute Yang's loss to Neo as her being exhausted. That's clearly not true. If that WAS the reason for it, then RoosterTeeth probably would have made that explicitly clear. But Yang had not shown at any point that she was tired the entire fight. She had had time to rest, since Ruby had first watch, and she was fighting the grunts at full force when they got to the tunnel. It was simply a brawler being outmatched by a FAR more skilled opponent.

And finally, how is Yang any less reliant on teamwork than Tifa? Most of her most impressive feats come from teamwork. She's only ever fought a single Ursa, a bar full of thugs and Neo on her own.

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yancur [2015-10-28 08:23:44 +0000 UTC]

wowo this is intense!

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MasterGraveheart [2015-10-25 00:44:11 +0000 UTC]

I have some serious doubts about the research done on this one.  And not just because my girl Tifa lost.

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WOLFBLADE111 [2015-10-24 14:35:50 +0000 UTC]

It was a good fight that's for sure.

I just hate seeing the characters I love get killed so brutally.

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