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Syahir-SQRT2 [2012-04-02 13:38:19 +0000 UTC]
yay Jacob Isom! may God bless you!
ohh.... this is going to my favourites list.
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Reikiaclaw [2011-06-30 02:27:07 +0000 UTC]
I take this as a copliment apparentally because of osama many americans this this is ok to do on 9 11 and almost beause a holiday [link]
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Tozzlez [2011-06-27 22:34:09 +0000 UTC]
looooool i love that guy........and i was like dude u HAVE no quran :L
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Teakster In reply to Tozzlez [2011-06-28 21:53:37 +0000 UTC]
"He said something about burning the Quran, and I was like ‘Dude, you have no Quran!"
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alcon1015 [2011-06-06 03:06:30 +0000 UTC]
Jacob. Dude. Read the Quran.
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zohebshaikhs [2011-05-07 10:36:14 +0000 UTC]
glorious quran the last n final holy scripture on the face of earth...
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1980sbully [2011-04-05 00:35:08 +0000 UTC]
Burning of any religious text is just wrong.
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Rickyrab In reply to 1980sbully [2012-03-05 19:03:18 +0000 UTC]
Agreed! *why did I have to go down two tiers to find a thumbs-up icon, anyway?*
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Rickyrab In reply to Rickyrab [2012-03-05 19:04:30 +0000 UTC]
Book burning is wrong, because it destroys knowledge. But it doesn't mean people should go around rioting and killing people about it (which is what Muslims have done).
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Teakster In reply to 1980sbully [2011-04-09 22:14:10 +0000 UTC]
I totally agree with that statement!
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TarnishedAngels [2011-03-10 06:27:53 +0000 UTC]
Actually, Jacob Isom represents that which America is supposed to stand AGAINST.
Jacob Isom stole another man's property and prevented him from expressing his religious beliefs. That is theft and religious oppression.
David Grisham planned a peaceful, public protest, which is his right, no matter how displaced and ignorant it was.
America is supposed to be a place where all peoples of all creeds can express and practice their creed without fear of tyranny. This means you have the right to your Quran, Christians have the right to their Bible, I have the right to my books, atheists have the right to their beliefs as well and all of us have the right to be free of eachother's beliefs
Point of fact, David Grisham is the one representing the best of America, by standing up for his beliefs, and Jacob Isom just confirmed every negative stereotype that Muslims have to struggle under now; that they are a closed minded, misogynist, primitive and warlike people bent on forcing the world to respect their laws, which is absolutely NOT true.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," ~ Evelyn Beatrice Hall
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Pluie-Froide In reply to TarnishedAngels [2012-07-27 20:21:18 +0000 UTC]
Well, here's the thing: You're supposed to express your belief peacefully, without offending people who have other beliefs. Burning the Quran is offensive. I'm not even biased, I'm some random atheist person who found this deviation by accient. :/
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TarnishedAngels In reply to Pluie-Froide [2012-08-03 14:55:55 +0000 UTC]
"without offending people who have other beliefs." has literally NOTHING to do with the right to express your beliefs.
If it did no non Christian/Muslim beliefs could be expressed as anything that disagrees with them offends them.
No one anywhere in any country is written that people have the right to not be offended.
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Pluie-Froide In reply to TarnishedAngels [2012-08-03 17:41:03 +0000 UTC]
You completely missed my point. My comment was in direct response to your "Actually, Jacob Isom represents that which America is supposed to stand AGAINST.
Jacob Isom stole another man's property and prevented him from expressing his religious beliefs. That is theft and religious oppression.
David Grisham planned a peaceful, public protest, which is his right, no matter how displaced and ignorant it was."
It has everything to do with it, because the right to expression of beliefs needs to be accompanied by the right to intelligently go about it without being a total dickhead. It isn't about being able to be offended; it's about manners, as in giving a small thought to people other than yourself. I have noticed, while standing off to the side and watching other people, that problems are usually solved better when you go about them diplomatically. Burning the quran is not diplomatic. Stealing the quran from the man who was going to burn it isn't exactly great either, but it's insultingly careless to a much lesser extent because he was protecting his religion (defensive) as opposed to, say, setting the bible on fire (offensive).
I'm sorry I didn't make any of that clear to you earlier. My mistake. <---- Did that give you any ideas?
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TarnishedAngels In reply to Pluie-Froide [2012-08-05 07:01:23 +0000 UTC]
I'm sorry but I don't believe I did miss your point.
Freedom of expression isn't about solving problems, or not being a dickhead.
Burning the Qur'an (again, however misguided that may be) was a legal act being done with his own property to protest the many, many crimes he feels Islam has caused/created/perpetrated.
Weather or not a protester is being a dickhead is completely beside the point. It literally doesn't matter. Can you imagine the million man march if everyone was concerned about not being aggressive, or offending white people? How about the Boston Tea Party? What about the anti Vietnam peace rallies? How about Tienanmen Square?
Like it or not some people believe that the atrocities routinely performed by some few Muslims, such as forced clitoral circumcision, honor killings, honor rape, executing women for the crime of being raped without 8 or more of her family watching, 9-11, some people believe that these acts are common and indicative of Islam and therefore Islam should be abolished.
Now we both know that's ridiculously, hilariously ignorant. We both know hat education and respect are what's needed before there can be any peace, but that's really, REALLY not the point.
Dude burned his own Qur'an in a peaceful protest, with proper supervision and authority. He did nothing wrong (ignorant, yes, he should have at least read it before he burned it, but we're not talking about his stupidity here). Just like the civil rights and anti war protestors did nothing wrong.
As for "the right to expression of beliefs needs to be accompanied by the right to intelligently go about it without being a total dickhead.", sorry but no. The moment you start putting qualifiers on the right to expression and belief, especially with something that petty and biased, you start cutting out people rights to any religious or artistic expression that could be considered 'not normal'. That's called oppression. The whole point of the rights to expression and religion is that all of us have wildly different belief structures and there is no one on the planet that can say which one is correct, and to do so tramples the rights of every person not of that particular ideological persuasion. For example, you may say it's normal and acceptable to mourn your loved ones quietly and peacefully, while I build a bonfire out of heir corpse and howl my grief at the moon. According to your 'going about it intelligently without being a dickhead' theory, I wouldn't be allowed to see my loved ones off in a way consistent with my religious beliefs. Again, that's called oppression.
As for setting the bible on fire, I don't find that offensive at all. I have personally organized similar protests against the Christian organization, as I personally feel they have a LOT more to atone for, even in the modern day, than Islam. But that aside, even if you were to burn my religious texts, even if I did find it offensive (which I don't WHEN it happens, and it happens frequently) That's the protestor's right and none of my business. It only becomes my business when they try to oppress me and my people (which ALSO happens very frequently). And then I respond accordingly.
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TarnishedAngels In reply to TarnishedAngels [2012-03-07 21:32:53 +0000 UTC]
That's not really a contradiction. If party A's religion bans them from burning books, and party B is burning books, it's simply none of party A's business, even if those are books about party A's religion. The books are party B's property, period, end of subject.
That's when the rule of thumb "Your rights end where another's rights begin" comes in to play.
If we are to protect people's rights to worship in peace, we have to respect their method of worship (so long as that worship is not harming anyone involuntarily), no matter how frustrating or offensive it may be.
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Rickyrab In reply to TarnishedAngels [2012-03-05 19:09:51 +0000 UTC]
I also agree with the right to express one's beliefs. Ahem, here's a contradiction (on my part)! You're not supposed to burn books, yet you're not supposed to keep people from expressing religion, either. But what if one's religion involves burning another religion's books? Then one needs to balance the evil of book burning against the evil of interfering with one's religion and right of protest.
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visionro [2010-11-29 19:29:19 +0000 UTC]
that's not true . I do have Quran
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stimulatingdesign [2010-11-18 02:14:38 +0000 UTC]
I love you for making this. IMMD
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GoldenGirls In reply to Teakster [2010-10-25 11:41:53 +0000 UTC]
I'd like to give him a high five, and a delushus sammich.
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GoldenGirls In reply to Teakster [2010-10-26 20:13:40 +0000 UTC]
I spelled sandwich wrong
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AbstractisEverything [2010-10-21 05:06:55 +0000 UTC]
Who is Jacob Isom.... I never heard of him...
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ChemicalSunflower [2010-10-04 16:34:57 +0000 UTC]
I did not know about that.
That is...truly awesome. I mean, not many people nowadays would defend Islam - and unfortunately, many callous acts such as burning the Quran are being practiced, just to make a point.
A point to gather and spread hate, it just makes me really sad.
Thank you for this<3
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Teakster In reply to ChemicalSunflower [2010-10-05 00:17:56 +0000 UTC]
I know...I thought he one cool guy and not everyone is evil.
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