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Published: 2011-09-30 16:08:38 +0000 UTC; Views: 1293; Favourites: 23; Downloads: 34
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I made this for all the femme trans-guys out there who are tired of being called "fakes" by fellow transguys, or anyone. That's just hypocrisy. FTMs don't call femme cis-guys fakes, do they? How are we any different?How you dress has nothing to do with your gender identity. It just shows that you like looking good, or you like to take more time for it every day.
IMPORTANT: Just because I say we are femme, does NOT by any means say that we wear women's clothing, it means that we use MENS clothing in feminine ways. Helpful video to clear this up: [link]
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That shirt is really wonderful!
Is it okay, if I make shirt with this idea(I'll credit you of course)? I'm so tired of people who don't take me seriously just because I don't wear overly masculine clothes.
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sure you can! I can't make anymore myself at the moment anyway
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Okay...
1) Awesome shirt
2) (This isn't directed at you, but at some of the people who have commented) A lot of the comments on these things are making me so mad!! I'm infuriated. I've seen the "trans enough" videos on youtube without seeing the cause of it in action, and here it is. Whyyyy don't they get it?
If I'm wearing a magenta freaking tutu and I tell you that I am male, you say "Oh, I didn't know that. Thank you for telling me." End of goddamn story. There are plenty of straight men out there who cross dress and are NOT gay OR trans. Wow, bet that blew some minds.
Yes if a person's main focus is trying to pass, and they aren't, and it's because of how they are portraying themselves then yes maybe they should change how they are dressing. If it would make them happier.
But that does NOT mean that every trans person has to dress a certain way. I mean really, if you're accepting of trans people or are trans yourself, why the hell are you gender stereo-typing clothing? Honestly. Just because you like your pick-up truck doesn't mean you have to force one on every other trans guy. Yes they will have more trouble passing, yes they're going to confuse the majority of people. Guess what?? You don't have to tell them that, and it's their decision to make.
There are plenty of guys, cis and trans both, who dress feminine. Feminine and Female are not the same thing.
I'm a cisgendered woman. No matter what I was born as, how masculine I looked, or surgery I got, no matter how much T you forced in my system or what clothes you put me in, I would always be a woman. For no reason other than simply because I feel that I am one. Who are you to tell someone what they are or how they should behave?
.... /end rant.
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O_O you.......are......AWESOME! I get what you mean and it is sickening but by the looks of things it is changing for the somewhat better......somewhat. And XxShadowHeart13xX awesome shirt, I love it.
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Haha thanks! <3
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I really applaud you for this, and this is really the point I was trying to get across to them.
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Thank ya, perhaps I'll save that rant for future situations. Because I'm sure I'll have use for it again.
*hugs* Just know man, there are people out there who get it. We just seem to be currently outnumbered. It'll change, so much already has.
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Woah, many people here who put way too much importance into the 'gender' of fabric and fashion >_> I walk round with freaking eyeshadow and lipstick sometimes.
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exactly!
Eventually people wont care what we wear and put on our faces :I
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I hope so, this hostility towards anyone who doesn't aspire to look like a fuzzy, body building lumberjack really gets me down you know? You'd expect better from people who spend their lives being told that the way they dress and act is 'wrong' wouldn't you : |
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What you say is true but the girl you're defending is absolutely retarded and can't see an inch past her own self-absorbed nose.
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Im not defending anybody. I know that girl is an idiot.
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Ahh, carry on then.
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If you go out wearing women's clothes/make up/accessories, then do you really think it's unfair for the general public to perceive you as a woman? I know enough ftms that kill themselves trying to be seen 'as a man' by wearing masculine clothing, and people STILL think they're female thanks to the shoulder to hip to waist ratio that they do everything in their power to hide. I have to agree with ~HairyCoconuts in saying, "If a girl wants to be a man, but still wants to wear womens clothing and essentially LOOK like a woman, then they should probably be re-evaluating if they truly are transgendered or not."
Or at the very least, keep your transgender-ism and your opinions and your beliefs to yourself, because putting yourself out there as one thing and saying you're another, then expecting everyone to respect you? I dunno, can't see that as a war you could win.
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First of all I do NOT wear women's clothing. I just have a feminine way of presenting MALE clothing. And I don't want to look like a woman, I want to look like a femme guy. I just havent started my FULL transition yet (obviously because im 14.)
I'm defending the fact that femme transguys are just like femme cis-guys, so we shouldn't be discriminated against in that way.
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What exactly is a 'feminine way of presenting guys' clothing?
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So you'll present yourself in that way and then get pissed when people assume you're just a tomboy?
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I don't get mad unless its a FELLOW transguy or someone Ive told repeatedly. They should know better. Really this message IS for people who do know better than to judge us. And I have no room to get mad personally (for people who have just met me at least)because I know I don't pass yet.
And like I say, no one doubts all those cis men, calling them tomboys.
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All of those men are either metrosexual, gay, or in the closet. So essentially you want to be viewed as a man who society *typically* views as... not so much of a man. If I saw a woman (regardless of whether they felt in their mind/heart that they were a man) dressed like that though, I'd just think Ellen Degeneres. If a transman would dress like that after T/breast removal, I could understand it, but if you're at the stage where you're still in a woman's body, not bothering to even bind... it's just silly.
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I do bind. I have been binding for as long as I was out. It was my main concern even before I came out. And Im starting therapy in the next week. Then in simply six months Ill be on hormones. We dress like this before we transition fully because we are preparing for who we will be and want to be. We are equally as much a man as when we are transitioning. If you understand that gender is in the mind, you should understand that there is no difference between us, and the matter of style means nothing.
And the fact that society views these men as "less" of a man is the point of the shirt. That should NOT happen.
Plus, how do you know any of their sexualities? I know for a fact that Bill Kaulitz is straight at least. But the others are just random men who most people know nothing about anyway.
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I am glad to hear that you're making steps in your transition, but in the binding statement I was not referring to you specifically. I have seen it often enough, people who scream and shout: "I'm a boy!!!!" to anyone who will listen, when the next day they're flaunting women's clothes (vice verca for mtfs). By stating 'fashion doesn't define gender', you are making the distinct implication that regardless of whether a person is wearing MEN'S clothes or WOMEN'S clothes, people shouldn't assume that the person in question might consider them self one gender or another. <- that's my beef. The issue is in representing your beliefs in a way that doesn't make you look like a hypocrite.
I never said I knew any of their sexual preferences. I said they were either gay, metrosexual (which is a certain flavor of heterosexual) or in the closet. I personally don't believe Bill isn't gay but that's a whole 'nother bag of chips. I still love him though.
I guess the point is, I'm not trying to call you out as wrong per say, rather I think you need to be a bit more clear in your opinions. Gender has so many grey areas that it's so difficult to say 'THINGS ARE THIS WAY, THINGS SHOULD BE THIS WAY' and not be 'wrong' in as many ways as you are 'right'.
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Honestly, sometimes it does.
What I say here, I say as a feminine FTM.
If you are a biological woman, and you are wearing women's clothes, feeling perfectly comfortable in them, that's the style you want, ect ect. then you're a woman.
Think about it. Men's clothes are men's clothes. Womens' clothes are women's clothes.
If a girl wants to become a man, she wears mens clothes.
If a man wants to become a woman, he wears womens clothes.
If a girl wants to be a man, but still wants to wear womens clothing and essentially LOOK like a woman, then they should probably be re-evaluating if they truly are transgendered or not.
I'm a feminine FTM, as in I'm not all facial hair and muscles and super duper manly, I am slightly feminine.
and I am a brolita, on the rare occasion.
But as an every day thing, I would rather kill myself than walk outside and look like a woman.
There's a difference between being feminine, and being a straight up woman.
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I do NOT wear women's clothing. I do not want to look like a woman. I am saying femme transguys are just like femme cis-guys and we shouldnt be treated different.
Look at my response to TomatoBisque.
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I'm not saying you do, but by what you're saying, you're saying that that is okay when it really isn't.
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I never said that. Femme doesnt equal women's clothing. you should know that apparently.
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I know that.
But by saying 'fashion doesn't equal gender', you're saying that yes, you can wear womens clothing and it is acceptable when no, it's not
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Well isn't gender in the mind? And isn't fashion as well? Your idea of acceptable is different from other people's. Some people do find that okay, and I cannot hate them for that.
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So, when females faking being boys wear female clothes and make-up still, how are they percieved as men? That's retarded, there needs to be a line of how one looks and defines themself to be male.
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I do not wear female clothes. And any guy can wear makeup. Look at Davey Havok, Ville Valo, Pete Wentz, Andy Biersack (and all of BVB), Marilyn Manson, Gerard Way, Frank Iero, and a shit load of others.
Also please look at my response to TomatoBisque
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more guys should wear make-up, i mean honestlyΒ
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