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MisoraIkuhara In reply to ??? [2023-12-14 03:48:27 +0000 UTC]

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CourtneysFG In reply to shinneth [2019-05-04 20:21:51 +0000 UTC]

I am going to have to disagree with you on the healthy and stable part. I saw it as Gwen getting tempted by the forbidden fruit and being dishonest towards to Courtney.  Gwen, who previously had her heart broken in TDI, managed to get into a similar situation in TWDT. She managed to never apologize to Courtney and also pretended things were okay later on. Duncan, who was once the bad boy with a hidden soft side, turned into a spiteful cheater with little to no guilt in an instant. "Every time I ran from the cops, I thought of you." Nice one Duncan. 

While I agree that the Gwuncan breakup was rushed it was most likely going to happen. Gwen is not entirely spiteful. The guilt of what she and Duncan did would eat her up eventually. Fun fact: Only 25% of couples who start off with affairs last. Based on Gwen's character, I doubt that she falls into that 25%. 

I am not defending Courtney entirely. The writers butchered her, but they damaged Gwen and Duncan too.

With all that said I hope that you take it a opinion and not an attack on yours. 

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shinneth In reply to CourtneysFG [2019-05-05 15:49:36 +0000 UTC]

I'm not sure why real-life statistics would even apply here. I mean, I'd just as easily bring up the percentage of couples where one or neither had any boy/girlfriends prior to it that actually stay together, but it doesn't mean anything. 

I'm agreeing completely that Gwen and Duncan got butchered as characters as well. But then again, this happened to pretty much everyone by TDAS. 

I don't put much stock in Gwen and Courtney's friendship considering they had almost zero interaction until TDWT, and I thought the progression of their friendship was unnatural and rushed. And even with that, Courtney was constantly suspicious of Gwen about Duncan, well before she ever had any inclination to act on it. With clear implications that Courtney would drop her immediately if Gwen even confessed her crush without actually doing anything about it. Add that and the antagonism Courtney largely displayed before they even became friends, and I just couldn't bring myself to care about their friendship being broken. Given how it was portrayed in TDAS before before SMS, I was convinced that was as much of a toxic friendship as Duncney was a toxic relationship. 

I'm completely leaving Courtney out of the equation when I'm talking about the healthy and stable stuff. Gwen and Duncan were able to act like people who actually liked each other (platonically or otherwise), could engage in similar interests, and didn't let the competition change how they felt about and treated each other. It was playful banter and I thought they were adorable together. Then again, I've shipped them pre-TDA. And yeah, the nature of the break-up would mean the Courtney factor would inevitably loom over the couple and guilt-trip Gwen. I just feel like even if they handled this 100% legit, Courtney would still be a doom cloud hanging over them, since I honestly don't see her even taking a proper break-up for what it is and moving on. At least, not back in TDWT. Even handled in an honest way, I'm sure Gwen would still feel an annoying degree of guilt and remorse for Courtney.

I primarily think back to Gwen and Duncan's TDI and TDA interactions and that's where I'm seeing a couple that probably would have done very well if they hooked up instead of with Trent/Courtney. If Courtney hadn't done so much to force me to lose any degree of sympathy I could've had for her as a character by TDWT, I'm sure I'd better understand why everyone's up in arms about the scandal. Me? I was just surprised to still find cute moments of Duncan and Gwen being the endearing couple I always thought they were, even in the face of all this. But that's just my POV, my opinion, whatever. I don't see yours as an attack. I've just seen this one tossed my way so many times now that I tire of it.

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CourtneysFG In reply to shinneth [2019-05-05 20:07:21 +0000 UTC]

I just bring up the real life statistics because that's the way these characters react to each other were realistic in most ways.  I only ever saw Gwuncan as a BROTP rather than a OTP because ordinarily couples that are very similar to each other will eventually get bored. Additionally, all in all, what can they really learn from each other in the end. That's my stance on them. With the Duncney dynamic in TDI there would good developments and could have been more if the request was denied. Their differences opened doors to new experiences for them. Also, they saw problems in each other as well as the issues they saw in themselves. There was and could have been more similar things for Gwent too.

And yeah, I truly believe the writers made the friendship up just to build up the drama that was going to happen later. I only feel slightly sorry Courtney just because I can't forget that she was a decent character in season and accept the force-fed garbage that the writers tried to feed the viewers after season one. 
That's my overall take on it. 

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CourtneysFG In reply to shinneth [2019-05-04 19:33:07 +0000 UTC]

Yes, Courtney was a terrible girlfriend but Duncan did not have to be a terrible boyfriend back. What ever happened to being the better person in the relationship? "At least I'm straight with people!" Do you remember that line? LOL!

He should have faced his problems and ended things with Courtney before pursuing Gwen. 

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shinneth In reply to CourtneysFG [2019-05-05 15:25:01 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I remember that line. That was from the first season. Well before most of the hell really started up, so I'm not sure why that's relevant. Beyond that, everyone has a breaking point. Not saying Duncan was right for anything he did, but... given all the abuse he went through with Courtney leading up to it, well. I'm not outright condoning Duncan's actions, but I'm saying I understand them. If I suffered from Courtney what Duncan did, I would've come to realize that trying to be the better person isn't doing anyone any favors. For what it's worth, he endured at least the entirety of TDA (and however long the time gap from then to TDAS is, which we know was its own kind of hell for the couple) being faithful to her. And he got rewarded with Courtney trying to tie him down with a lengthy contract, so... yeah.

Besides that, based on what we know (and he knows) about Courtney, I suspect even if he tried to handle this the proper way that he wouldn't have left the room without Courtney trying to castrate him or something along those lines. He's screwed no matter what he does. Pretty sure it's probable that Courtney would have also attacked Gwen as well, even if she had no idea any of this was happening. It's headcanon, but I prefer to use that to at least attempt to understand why things happened the way they did.

And... well, they're all teenagers. I don't expect any of them to think through most of their actions and always do the right thing every single time. I just can't bring myself to feel bad for Courtney when she's betrayed Duncan in multiple ways prior to this and manipulated him to get what she wants. Most seem all too willing to overlook the many horrible things Courtney has done just because she got betrayed and heartbroken by her boyfriend. As if that's literally the worst thing that could ever, EVER happen to a person. Not repeatedly being abused, emotionally manipulated, or even being forced to comply under a death threat (all things Courtney's inflicted on others)... nope, being dumped after being cheated on is most certainly worse than all those things combined. 

Yeah, I really don't need the basics pointed out to me.

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4realsnow In reply to shinneth [2021-11-16 00:44:26 +0000 UTC]

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4realsnow In reply to shinneth [2021-11-16 00:30:24 +0000 UTC]

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CourtneysFG In reply to shinneth [2019-05-05 20:07:25 +0000 UTC]

I see where you are coming from. The cheating wasn't a good thing but I do understand why he did it. And again I still feel that based on what happened in season one, I can't really accept everything that happened after. 

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StrongSafetyFan37 In reply to shinneth [2018-12-08 06:38:00 +0000 UTC]

Thank you, I watched you!

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HeavenlyMildCone In reply to shinneth [2018-01-21 03:18:32 +0000 UTC]

I personally didn't like the Gwuncan because it was an executive decision from Cartoon Network and not what the creators wanted to do.

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shinneth In reply to HeavenlyMildCone [2018-01-21 17:07:45 +0000 UTC]

I've heard about this before, but that doesn't affect my stance on Gwuncan whatsoever. Executive Meddling doesn't define what a couple is to me. Like I said, I was shipping this before the TDDDDI special aired - in other words, well before any of that happened. The only way it has any influence is that I would've liked for it to be executed a bit better, but the same can be said for tons of other couples and characters as well. I liked Courtney fine in TDI, and even Duncney. TDA's handling of it and beyond pretty much soured me on both. 

I mean, it's pretty much unanimous among the fandom that TDAS flanderized the characters in the worst way possible and handled both friendships and relationships just as badly. And we know that season had writers who didn't know jack about the seasons before it, and therefore didn't know/didn't care about keeping the status quo cohesive and consistent from now they were developed prior to this season. The way Gwuncan was handled in particular screams EXECUTIVE MEDDLING; however controversial the couple started, the way they broke up was far, far worse. I haven't done much research in a while, but breaking Gwen and Duncan up in TDAS the way they did also reeks of executive meddling. From which source, I'm not sure, but my point is that executive meddling shouldn't be the sole reason to dismiss any concept. I liked Gwuncan long before the environment behind the scenes turned for the worse, so I'm not going to let that hinder my preference.

What really annoys me is that a lot of people use this exact excuse to guilt-trip fans of Gwuncan for the sole purpose of making them stop supporting the couple. It just comes off as manipulative. Honestly, I miss the days where Gwuncan was nothing more than a crack ship at best in the fandom. That was the easiest time to enjoy the couple. And honestly? The TD fanbase has made being a Gwuncan fan more hellish than executives behind the scenes. That doesn't diminish my fondness for the couple, however. 

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HeavenlyMildCone In reply to shinneth [2018-01-21 19:55:57 +0000 UTC]

And you have every right to your opinion. I'm just simply saying I'm not a fan is all.  I could see them as friends, however.

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Club-Dreamiverse In reply to CartoonWatcher1997 [2018-04-10 21:05:31 +0000 UTC]

Care to see my Gwen x Eduard ship or no?

Gwen X Eduard!Dear DeviantARTists,
  I think that I might have some people (mainly Ashen-Esther, sabreleopard and mastergamer20) that found the idea of a reddish pink goth by the name of Eduard Nochkoshmar (from my project, The Imagination of Nick, Eduard and Buddy) and a teal goth, namely Total Drama's Gwen, that might want to see them on national TV. If their owners'll let me. And anyway, if my RPs with KawaiiWonder, mastergamer20, sabreleopard, Ashen-Esther and InigmaBoy are any indication, I think that Eduard should make a great companion for Gwen and they would likely be friends rather than love interests. 
* Both are goths.
* Both are the opposites of the usual genders (Gwen is masculine; Eduard is feminine)
* Both wear their dyed hair in bob-cuts (Gwen's brown-hair worn in a bob-cut has light and dark teal and dark green streaks; Eduard's natural black hair worn in a bob-cut has reddish pink streaks)
* Both have gender-stereotypical enemies (Gwen's got the feminine Heather; Eduard's

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Yami-07 In reply to KanonSeaDragon [2016-04-09 14:36:35 +0000 UTC]

The next will be Duncan's one, I don't know if i will do Courtney's one, maybe,but not early, because in those months I have school and I have to study a lot

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Yami-07 In reply to Werewolf-Hero [2016-04-07 13:20:11 +0000 UTC]

I think not, they were only friends.

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Werewolf-Hero In reply to Yami-07 [2016-04-07 13:21:20 +0000 UTC]

ohh well one can dream

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Yami-07 In reply to Fiore-La-Sama [2016-04-06 20:44:13 +0000 UTC]

Thank you  

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Fiore-La-Sama In reply to VenusStarlights [2016-04-06 01:38:33 +0000 UTC]

Agreed.

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SonSilvShad18 In reply to NightDarkness789 [2016-04-05 20:54:23 +0000 UTC]

Same here.

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NightDarkness789 In reply to SonSilvShad18 [2016-04-05 21:17:31 +0000 UTC]

Cool!

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Yami-07 In reply to BrunoBlackened [2016-04-05 14:59:37 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much  

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BrunoBlackened In reply to Yami-07 [2016-04-05 16:16:15 +0000 UTC]

Anytime!

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Yami-07 In reply to carmillad [2016-04-05 14:59:57 +0000 UTC]

Thank you  

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