Jamesruglia In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-20 23:21:52 +0000 UTC]

What difference does it make?  If I love my animal and he loves me that's lal that matters, right?

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Jamesruglia In reply to scythemantis [2014-03-20 23:20:01 +0000 UTC]

You've failed to convince me that anything you said was civil or accurate.

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scythemantis In reply to Jamesruglia [2014-03-21 03:05:14 +0000 UTC]

Civility would be lost on someone like yourself who simply wants to hate the innocent.

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Aerodeth In reply to scythemantis [2014-03-15 07:28:31 +0000 UTC]

'An adult with a child, a human with an animal, a man with a drunken woman, these are non-consenting.'

No. A child can give consent. Many children can go through puberty very early in their life and understand the concept of sex. It's just illegal because the child is underaged.

Animals dont give other animals consent in many cases. Rape exists in far more species than merely humans.

So what if the woman is drunk? We can argue that drinking releases inhibitions. Hell, if people that are drunk and use racial slurs prove themselves to be racist, why dont women who are drunk and freely spread their legs prove themselves to be sluts?

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HeadGrindingAction In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-23 00:32:16 +0000 UTC]

Out of all that all I could gather is that you think it's o.k. to rape animals

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Protogenitor In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-17 11:29:43 +0000 UTC]

>>No. A child can give consent. Many children can go through puberty very early in their life and understand the concept of sex. It's just illegal because the child is underaged.

Just because a child understands the concept of sex it shouldnt mean that its consent. Children get educated about sex early, at the
age of 11, 12 maybe. By this time, nothing is properly developed. The penis of the boy is merely able to stand half a centimeter, the 
vagina of the girl has in no way a functioning lubication which is necessary - or the girl will scream in pain. Just because you understand
the concept of biology, it doesnt mean you know well enough about it. Whoops.

>>Animals dont give other animals consent in many cases. Rape exists in far more species than merely humans

Yes, rape exists. But if animals mate, they make out consent by rituals. A dancing peacock signalizing his will to mate, or the little
catlady rolling and meowing on the street for a male cat. The second those breeding rituals are signalizing the will for breeding, 
there is no way to call this "without consent". Otters raping baby gulls is another story - violence in its purest form.

>>So what if the woman is drunk? We can argue that drinking releases inhibitions. Hell, if people that are drunk and use racial slurs prove themselves to be racist, why dont women who are drunk and freely spread their legs prove themselves to be sluts?

Even if I am shitfaced like no tomorrow there is no way, I repeat NO WAY, that a man is allowed to force himself onto me. Getting drunk is never a solution. What has my shitfacedness to do with consent? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

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scythemantis In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-15 19:19:07 +0000 UTC]

Hidden by Owner

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Aerodeth In reply to scythemantis [2014-03-16 01:44:49 +0000 UTC]

Hidden by Owner

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scythemantis In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-18 01:19:52 +0000 UTC]

The concept of heterosexuality is taught to children as soon as they ever learn the concept that men and women get married, kiss or have children. What's the difference?

I'm not going to talk anymore about your pedophilia.

Choosing to get drunk and choosing to have sex are separate things. If you use a woman's drunkenness to get sex that she wouldn't give you otherwise, you are a rapist. You raped someone. You belong in prison.

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Zagittorch In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 12:58:43 +0000 UTC]

Have you ever read a single book about brain development? Frontal lobe - Ringing any bells?
I assume the answer is no. Let's do a switch, have you ever questioned why minors get treated a lot better in the legal system when they commit crimes? It's not because we consider minors to be stupid. It's because biologically their brain is not fully developed yet, particularly the area that helps us comprehend the consequences of our actions. Yes, any teenager who's started puberty could very easily tell you how sex works in and out, including STDs and pregnancy, this does not mean that their brain can grasp the consequences of actually engaging in sex with somebody older or actually getting pregnant or actually getting an STD - haven't you ever questioned why teenage males are out doing dangerous crap like jumping around while the girls are more calm? That's because the girl's brains develops faster in the consequence area.

Same goes for adults who  no longer freely climb onto trees or jump from high places. I used to run all over the place and climb and jump but now I don't - what became the difference? I now have a full grasp and comprehension of the consequences of my actions. You can tell a teenager a thousand times that he can fall and break open his skull, he still won't understand or connect to this consequence the same way an adult does, because his brain is not yet developed to.


So no, minors can't give consent. And I strongly suggest you do some studying upon brain and social developmen, because really this is just an extremely tiny percent.



Also I won't touch on the fact that you're comparing a kid having sex to a kid knowing about homosexuality because that is a level of stupid that I'm not willing to handle.

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SadistSkunk In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 10:41:09 +0000 UTC]

What age are we talking about?
Prepubescent children are people pleasers. They're hardwired to do what adults tell them to do,
without asking too many questions and without thinking about it. It's incredibly cruel to take advantage
of that in such a way. It's harmful to them and it's selfish. 

I don't care about the animals unless they're psychically harmed.

What if the man that drinks irresponsibly gets raped by another man?

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Aerodeth In reply to SadistSkunk [2014-03-16 11:01:03 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for being civil. Then I'll be civil.

'What age are we talking about?'
Any age below the legal age of consent. Of course, children can be vulnerable, but anyone of any age can be submissive to those they seem authoritative and easily taken advantage of. And puberty varies depending on the individual.
That does not mean I support pedophilia, though. I find it disgusting, but I strongly disbelieve that the movement will stop at same-sex marriage. One loophole will slowly lead to another.

'I don't care about the animals unless they're psychically harmed.'
Personally, I'd worry more about the humans since quite a lot of animals could easily hurt and kill a human. Doesnt mean I support beastiality, though. I find that disgusting too, but repeat what I said in the previous paragraph.

'What if the man that drinks irresponsibly gets raped by another man?'
Same applies. It's dangerous to drink irresponsibly seeing as though it releases inhibitions and you dont even realize the mistakes you've done until it's too late. Doesnt mean I support rape, though. But we've been taught not only in school but on tv sitcoms the dangers of binge drinking.

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SadistSkunk In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 20:49:36 +0000 UTC]

It makes no sense that allowing homosexual marriage will lead to child/adult marriage being allowed.
Giving gays equal rights and allowing for children to be abused are in no way related to one another.
Did allowing blacks and women to vote lead to animals and children being allowed to vote as well?

If someone chooses to fuck and animal and the animal ends up hurting them, then I don't really care either. 
That's a risk they were willing to take. I find it disgusting too, but I don't disapprove if they're not harming the animal in the process.

I agree that it's stupid to get drunk. But I think being raped is a bit of a severe punishment for something that's
a bit irresponsible. And I don't think it's smart to condone committing such acts in any situation.

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Protogenitor In reply to SadistSkunk [2014-03-17 11:22:10 +0000 UTC]

What has same-sex marriage has to do with child sex? Nothing. Same-sex marriage includes
two grown ups loving each other from the same sex. You are contradicting yourself in the 
worst kind of ways, kid. 

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SadistSkunk In reply to Protogenitor [2014-03-17 11:24:40 +0000 UTC]

You replied to the wrong person.

I'm a homosexual.

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Protogenitor In reply to SadistSkunk [2014-03-17 11:34:03 +0000 UTC]

Sorry. My brain is malfunctioning and bluescreens from the insane mass of bullshit here. 

:3 *purr*

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SadistSkunk In reply to Protogenitor [2014-03-17 11:40:18 +0000 UTC]

I can relate. It's okay. Arguing with this people is pointless anyway.. But you can't help but try.


Watch out! It's contagious and it comes with free AIDS!

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Protogenitor In reply to SadistSkunk [2014-03-17 11:44:13 +0000 UTC]

 :3 
I couldnt help but try to provoke some small tango between the
synapses ... It failed T-T


 Nooooooes!

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LoboSabio In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 03:04:49 +0000 UTC]

Children are capable of understanding quite a bit once given the proper education.

I'm pretty sure that if you tried to explain sex to a five year old they'd look at you funny and then go back to playing with their toys. 

Considering the concept of homosexuality itself is taught in elementary schools (even as young as kindergarten)

That's a part of teaching acceptance which children have been taught for many, many years.  That's a totally different subject than what you're going on about. 

But it doesnt negate the idea of a human marrying an animal either.

I do believe that is what's known as a non sequitor. 

'Consent' typically doesnt apply to an animal.

What do you think a mating ritual is?

Also, marriage to an animal doesnt necessary mean sex will be involved.

Hang on...  Are you trying to say that they mate for life and don't have any sex?  That makes no sense whatsoever from a biological standpoint. 

Unless drugged, being drunk IS consent.

It is generally accepted that alcohol is a drug.  Therefore, if one is drunk one is drugged.  QED. 

If she didnt want to run the risks involved, she shouldve chosen not to drink or drink irresponsibly.

What a gross oversimplification of the situation! 

'My god what have I done?'

Which is what you should be thinking when you finish writing these comments. 

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Aerodeth In reply to LoboSabio [2014-03-16 04:36:06 +0000 UTC]

'I'm pretty sure that if you tried to explain sex to a five year old they'd look at you funny and then go back to playing with their toys.'
...and yet even theyre apparently old enough to learn about the importance of homosexuality?

'That's a part of teaching acceptance which children have been taught for many, many years.'
Then that last sentence you brought up is null and void. Also, how is it different? If theyre being taught about homoSEXUALITY, how is it different? Heck, if you guys 'n dolls are going apeshite about what I said, I'm gonna piss you guys off even more by adding this: I think it's far more important for children to learn more about pedophiles than homosexuals. I'd explain why, but you know what? Since you idiots wanna put words in my mouth and love baiting, by all means interpret it whatever way you feel!
 
'I do believe that is what's known as a non sequitor.'
I thought we were on the subject of marriage.

'What do you think a mating ritual is?'
Certainly not marriage.

'Hang on...  Are you trying to say that they mate for life and don't have any sex?'
Does being married require sex or doesnt it?

'It is generally accepted that alcohol is a drug.'
Oh cut the crap. I meant being drugged against her will and you know it. You suck at baiting.

'What a gross oversimplification of the situation!'
Did she get drugged against her will? Did somebody force the drink down her throat? Did somebody put a gun to her head and say 'Chug or die'? If no, then I have no pity. Sorry.

'Which is what you should be thinking when you finish writing these comments.'
Sorry pal, I'm too busy thinking 'My god, how many more of these tumblr idiots with furry avatars are there gonna be?' I'll keep score: 4 (5 if you count my profile.)

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Protogenitor In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-17 11:31:27 +0000 UTC]

what has homosexuality to do in all this? I dont even get your arguementation. Its like youre arguementating
for the use of deodorant with holding up a garbage bag. What?

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russetwolf13 In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 10:05:53 +0000 UTC]

Heyooo, furry avatar here with this bit of advice.

You know, I understand the idea of defending your position to the bitter end for no better reason than to be contrary and stubborn. I have a huge hard on for being the devils advocate at every possible turn.

I dislike the over the top demonization of Hitler, (in before Godwins law) but that doesn't mean I agree with the guy.

The point is it's okay to abandon a shitty position, one that's obviously, hilariously wrong, you can just say "fuck it" and you'll probably never see jack about it ever again.

It's not even retreating these days, it's just aggressive repositioning. Or as Chesty Puller put it, "we're just attacking in another direction".

Then again I really have no idea what you're arguing or who you're defending. I'm pretty sure this James dude would come down firmly against pedophilia and beastiality, even if he is his own kind of fucked up asshole. And near as I can tell, you're arguing in favor of pedophilia, bestiality, and rape. So really I'm wondering what the fuck you're on about, any why you're on about it.

I mean, that's fine if you're into those things... Well, not really fine, but I can't be annoyed with people for being honest, disgusted but not annoyed.

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Aerodeth In reply to russetwolf13 [2014-03-16 10:19:05 +0000 UTC]

'Then again I really have no idea what you're arguing or who you're defending.'

All I needed to read.

8.

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russetwolf13 In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-17 05:10:30 +0000 UTC]

That's not a good thing, since I've read every related comment and I still can't figure what the fuck you're on about.

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Ozkumeti In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 06:30:31 +0000 UTC]

lol you're a dumb fuck for thinking that learning about homosexuality is on par with learning about sex. big fucking shocker, i know, but kids can have crushes on people of their own gender as early as they can on other genders. preeeeeeeeetttyyyyyy suuuuuuuuuuurrrreeee that the idea of a girl having a crush on a boy at age 5 doesn't mean that they're emotionally capable of having sex... don't really know why you seem to think that homosexuality is some sort of adult topic when kids deal with it often.

also wow yeah i agree if i get drunk i think anyone has the right to murder me or rape me or take all my money or generally fuck up my life just because i thought having a drink would be nice. because. you know. it's my body. i was under the assumption that i was able to do as i please with it unless it harms someone else?

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Aerodeth In reply to Ozkumeti [2014-03-16 07:15:23 +0000 UTC]

Regurgitated argument.

#7.

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HedgehodgeMonster In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-15 12:57:57 +0000 UTC]

Hidden by Owner

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Aerodeth In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-15 19:17:21 +0000 UTC]

Hidden by Owner

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HedgehodgeMonster In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-15 19:47:15 +0000 UTC]

And you're trying DESPERATELY to support Jamesfuglyass's shitty metaphor that gay marriage is somehow on the same level on marrying animals or children. 

Comparing a consensual informed relationship between two adult men and two adult women (who are mentally very likely to be on the same level as each other) to zoophilia or pedophilia isn't really all that classy either.


Though then again, since you're an American male I expect your idea of "class" is a mismatched and really stupid lookign fedora or trilby on an shabby ill-fitting jacket and a REALLY GROSS beard or stubble.



Also... Huh, what the blue hell are you even talking about?

... oh, are you talking about hijras? Well, don't. Leave them out of this, I don't have any interest in hearing your opinion on them. Especially if you're using the term "trannies" to refer to them. Using the word "tranny" to refer to ANYONE is worthy of a thrashing with a cue stick in my book.

And in any case, it's only Bangladesh that actually is starting to treat them with the human respect they've always deserved. India, I have no fucking clue, and Pakistan? It generally still treats anyone who isn't a cisgendered, hetero, sunni muslim man really shittily.

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Aerodeth In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-16 02:18:58 +0000 UTC]

Well, homosexuality is a perversion and a fetish. How can it not eventually lead to lowering us to the same level as marrying animals or children? We've already gone as far as give mentally insecure tranni-pardon me, TRANSGENDERS attention (nevermind that I cant even so much as get a specific definition on what a transgender is to begin with), so how much further until we give the pedos and beasties attention, too? I'm sure NAMBLA can give convincing heartfelt explanations, too...

'...and a REALLY GROSS beard or stubble.'
Er, people who live in glass huts shouldnt throw stones.

'Well, don't. Leave them out of this, I don't have any interest in hearing your opinion on them.'
Well why not? Considering it's legal to be ashamed of being born the sex you are to the point that you decide to change it yet ILLEGAL to be proud of being born (apparently) with your sexuality, I find that incredibly odd and unfair. It makes no sense and I'm sure you agree with me. Yep, I sympathize more for the gays than I do for hijr-pardon me, mentally insecure TRANNIES.

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HedgehodgeMonster In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 05:34:09 +0000 UTC]

>>Well, homosexuality is a perversion and a fetish. How can it not eventually lead to lowering us to the same level as marrying animals or children? 
This is the "slippery slope" kind of thinking and it makes about as much sense as "I should not do thing A because eventually that will eventually lead to thing Z and allow the banana people from alpha centauri to invade".

For one, that's not really necessarily what is going to happen, and it's SUCH a ridiculous LEAP in logic from "doing thing A" to "will eventually lead to thing Z and allow the banana people from alpha centauri to invade" that you can't really use it as an argument without sounding like a complete and utter loon.

so, like I said, please remove part of your your skull to make your defective brain's misfiring neurons and general mediocrity transparent to the general populace.

And of course, also patently ridiculous is the thinking that homosexuality is a fetish which it is not. A fetish or paraphilia generally does not relate to the sex or gender you're attracted to (and no, "child" and "animal" are not genders). Fetishes relate to SITUATIONS (real or otherwise) or OBJECTS that turn you on, like being tied up, or feces.




>>Er, people who live in glass huts shouldnt throw stones.
Well, I shave on a regular basis to avoid having stubble or any kind of facial hair. I would much rather look 15 than have facial hair. Get on my level you shitheel.




>> (nevermind that I cant even so much as get a specific definition on what a transgender is to begin with)
a transgender is a person whose gender (which is a totally mental thing) does not match up to their sex (which is a genitals/physical thing).

funny as it sounds I'm pretty sure your gender matters more.

And not letting their anatomy (or more rather, society's shitty expectations about their anatomy) define them and dictate everything about their lives probably makes transgenders a lot less "mentally insecure" than you are with your slippery slope thinking.



>>It makes no sense and I'm sure you agree with me.

You're making shit up tho. Like I said, Pakistan actually still treats hijras and homosexuals and transgender people with a severe amount of disrespect.

Bangladesh might be getting better in this regard but I'm not from there and cannot comment. And I don't want to.

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Aerodeth In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-16 07:14:52 +0000 UTC]

'This is the "slippery slope" kind of thinking and it makes about as much sense as...'
How does it not make sense? Every single argument for these things can be reworded and sound the exact same. You can find a couple 'medical experts' that can make a pretty compelling explanation that would lean towards supporting such an outcome. I'll skip over your stupid insults.

'also patently ridiculous is the thinking that homosexuality is a fetish which it is not.'
PATENTLY ridiculous? Interesting wording. Anyways, Homosexuality IS a fetish considering the sexual activity in itself is a devotion. Such a sexual attraction is treated as a 'lifestyle' to be paraded and glossed over, and those practicing it seem to develop abnormal behaviors otherwise not associated with most straights. And it is linked to eroticism because of the 'sexual' part of homoSEXUAL, as it SEXUAL attraction to those of the same sex... otherwise, it would just be 'homo-love'.
And it is a PERVERSION, because it is abnormal. Sexual attraction to those of the same sex is abnormal. Not to mention, the only possible means mating involved (if you can call it that) is abnormal. A man cant penetrate a man's vagina if the man doesnt have a vagina. Did I dumb it down enough for you?

'Well, I shave on a regular basis to avoid having stubble or any kind of facial hair...'
Sure ya do. It's the internet. I'm freaking blonde, kinda chubby, and cant grow a damn beard to save my life. Also, I have a voice that sounds a bit way too high-pitched for any male to be sounding. I'm a full time student, have no job, have no car, and I suck when it comes to writing fanfiction. It's all true cuz I said it on the internet!

'a transgender is a person whose gender (which is a totally mental thing) does not match up to their sex (which is a genitals/physical thing)'
Right, I've heard THAT explanation a few times out of many. One LGBT fanatic hammered that transsexual=/=transgender, then later he/she pointed out articles 'proving' that transSEXUALS were mentally superior, then when I called him/her out on that contradiction, he/she used the damn 'umbrella term' excuse. Less said about those that slip out the wrong term in their explanations.  Yet, when I make that mistake, I'm an intolerant bigot!
Long story short, it leads towards either an mental illusion or mental disorder that should seek treatment and not a cry for civil rights. You believe youre something that youre not. What is wrong with that idea? If you believe youre black when youre really white, does that make you black?

'And not letting their anatomy (or more rather, society's shitty expectations about their anatomy) define them and dictate everything about their lives probably...'
That sentence is funny. Patently funny. Let's picture it:
Youre born a man, but you really believe yourself to be a woman. You are ashamed and disgusted that you are born a man when you know in your heart youre a woman. The fact that you are born a man depresses you sincerely because you know deep down youre a woman. You get paranoid, upset, panicky, and maybe even agressive when someone mistakes you for a man, even though you lack any physical pieces hinting that youre really a woman. You try to correct this problem by wearing clothes that are not made nor meant for the 'sex' you are, take damaging unhealthy homornal drugs to alter the 'sex' you are, even take risk-threatening surgery to alter the 'sex' you are and replace parts that you were born with with parts that you were not.
LESS MENTALLY INSECURE THAN US, YOU SAY?! THE CISSIES?! I kinda wish I were a white guy that believes deep down he's black, cuz I really think that warrants a 'Nigga u must be trippin.'

'Like I said, Pakistan actually still treats hijras and homosexuals and transgender people with a severe amount of disrespect.'
Alright, we wont talk about Pakistan or Bangladesh (even thought I never mentioned it to begin with). I wont press any further on that subject if you dont want me to. I can only imagine it's pretty tough.

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HedgehodgeMonster In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 07:22:14 +0000 UTC]

>>And it is a PERVERSION, because it is abnormal. Sexual attraction to those of the same sex is abnormal. Not to mention, the only possible means mating involved (if you can call it that) is abnormal. A man cant penetrate a man's vagina if the man doesnt have a vagina. Did I dumb it down enough for you?

Penis-in-vagina sex is not the type of sex in existence so all you dumbed it down to was "I AM A BIG STUPID MORON PLEASE IGNORE EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY" which is what you were already saying

>>That sentence is funny. Patently funny. Let's picture it:
Youre born a man, but you really believe yourself to be a woman. You are ashamed and disgusted that you are born a man when you know in your heart youre a woman. The fact that you are born a man depresses you sincerely because you know deep down youre a woman

If you read the SCIENCE I sent you, it shows that trans women actually ARE women and not "men really believing themselves to be women"

you just reached Flat Earth levels of stupidity.

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Aerodeth In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-16 07:33:30 +0000 UTC]

'Penis-in-vagina sex is not the type of sex in existence...'
Do I have to go into broad detail why the ONLY types of 'sex' (IF YOU CAN CALL IT THAT) that homosexuals can perform are abnormal, unnatural, and dangerous for their bodies because that's not what those parts are meant for? Are you asking me to dumb it down even further to make you happy? Do you wanna continue trailing away from the original subject which was on marriage?

'If you read the SCIENCE I sent you...'
It is a mental disorder and should seek treatment because over time it could cause negative effects to the mind and body? Just like I freaking brought up in that example? And I didnt even bring up the possibility that maybe later on in life, you'll change your mind... like what happened to Don Ennis? But now we're way way way WAY off the subject of marriage and I dont think we're gonna be going back, are we?

'you just reached Flat Earth levels of stupidity.'
And you have just made my night. Sweet dreams, sweety.

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HedgehodgeMonster In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 07:59:53 +0000 UTC]

did you know you have a g-spot in your anus? you're totally built to climax from anal sex.

SCIENCe has beaten you again

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Aerodeth In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-16 08:09:57 +0000 UTC]

Did you know that the g-spot doesnt exist according to over 90 published studies? Regardless, so what if you can climax from anal sex? Some people climax from being strangled near to the point of passing out. You think THAT'S a good idea?

Nice try, Bill Nye.

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HedgehodgeMonster In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 08:48:44 +0000 UTC]

which published studies are these?

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Aerodeth In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-16 08:53:46 +0000 UTC]

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01…

Perhaps there's more like a g-AREA?

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HedgehodgeMonster In reply to Aerodeth [2014-03-16 08:55:31 +0000 UTC]

do you have a prostate

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Agent-Sarah In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-17 06:17:22 +0000 UTC]

I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't know WHERE it is.

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HedgehodgeMonster In reply to Agent-Sarah [2014-03-17 08:24:20 +0000 UTC]

let alone that it was the male g-spot i was alluding to

either way the SCIENCE has thoroughly defeated him at this point, the trouble is getting him to notice it

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Agent-Sarah In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-17 08:29:14 +0000 UTC]

I think it will fly over his head.

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HedgehodgeMonster In reply to Agent-Sarah [2014-03-17 08:56:00 +0000 UTC]

or maybe he figured it out and is reeling idk

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Agent-Sarah In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-17 09:16:30 +0000 UTC]

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Ringtailed-Loser In reply to HedgehodgeMonster [2014-03-16 02:05:48 +0000 UTC]

You tell them!

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