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# Interests
Favorite visual artist: Walt Disney, Osamu Tezuka, Akira Toriyama, Scott McFarlane, Tetsuo Hara, Oda, H.R. Giger, Ted Giesel, Jhonen Vasquez/Tim BurtonFavorite movies: Road to El Derado,Hunchback of Notre-Dame,Aladdin,101 Dalmations,TreasurePlanet,Dumbo,PeterPan,LandBeforeTime,Mulan,Tarzan,Akira,ToyStory,Pocahontas,CorpseBride,Fun and Fancy-Free,Animated Hobbit/Lord of the Rings,Origins:Spirits of Past, few Ghibli films
Favorite TV shows: Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, SamuraiJack,Scooby-Doo, DannyPhantom, InvaderZim, AmericanDragonJakeLong, Super-Robot-Monkey-Team-Hyper-Force-Go, Batman:TheAnimatedSeries, Spider-Man, Tom and Jerry, DragonBall, HokutoNoKen, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, JoJo, OnePiece, FatAlbert
Favorite bands / musical artists: Michael Jackson, 80's music, Bee-Gees, 70's music, Contemporary Christian music, early 90's music, little modern music
Favorite books: Sherlock Holmes: Sign of the Four, Dune, A Princess of Mars, Classical Literature
Favorite writers: Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Allan Dean Foster,
Favorite games: Super Smash Brothers; classic/older games; action platform games; Pokemon; Final Fantasy VII
Favorite gaming platform: Most I enjoy except PC-based
Tools of the Trade: .5-.7 mm mechanical pencil, xerox paper
Other Interests: World History, Arithmetic, Biology, Chemistry, Film Production, Paranormal,Astronomy,
# Comments
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KnuxSun [2021-05-10 17:17:49 +0000 UTC]
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KnuxSun [2020-04-25 23:14:28 +0000 UTC]
Nestoras Zogopoulos2 years ago
what an ancient greek said was '' the crowd posseses a great power but it has no mind''
Derek Baker2 years ago
Here's some 'food for though'.... God sent His only son to establish a new Covenant with the Jews - a Covenant that was no longer based on 600+ restrictive, punitive, 'black&white' rules (ie. Leviticus) and instead was much more based on universal abstract concepts of "love", "forgiveness", etc...all consistent with the idea that it is what resides in a person's heart that matters the most. Basically, apart from a few 'rules', Jesus was giving individuals the freedom to choose for themselves what consituted proper behaviour. Jesus also demonstrated repeatedly that 1. in the eyes of God that women were equals & worthy of respect (eg. the scene at The Well), 2. everyone (including the poor, homeless, prostitutes, lepers, outsiders, tax collectors, etc) was worthy of salvation, 3. our job is not to judge others, but to love everyone (the sick, the lonely, the elderly, the criminals, the poor, etc...even our enemies) and 3. focus our energy on preparing the way for the coming of The Kingdom of God. Also, the only people who Jesus aggressively called out & criticized multiple times during his time on earth were the authority figures in Jewish society, ie. the Pharisees. Much to the disappointment of many Jews, Jesus did not directly criticize the brutal Roman Empire or the Roman leadership that directly controlled the Jews. Jesus also did nothing to prepare his people for an armed rebellion against the occupying Romans (again, much to the chagrin of many Jews) Jesus also made it very clear that taking sides in politics or 'worshipping' a political leader must take a back seat to worshipping the one only true leader & the only true kingdom, and that was God & God's kingdom. In other words, Jesus told us that morals/ethics/etc should guide our lives, not allegiance r patriotism to any earth-bound political source of power. So, in summary: Jesus: 1. blatantly rebelled against the established rules & against the authority of the leaders in His society (the Pharisees). 2. made it clear that being rules-oriented is not the way to bring ourselves closer to God. 3. made it clear that God loves everyone, even the worst of sinners, the non-believers, non-Jews, people who worship other Gods, etc. Nobody was to be discouraged or prevented from hearing about The New Covenant. Everyone should be welcome in our homes & place of worship. 4. told us that God made His Kingdom available to everyone, regardless of age, healthy, race, religion, and gender. In other words, equality became central to the New Covenant. 4. that some of our highest priorities should be caring for the poor, the sick, the 'lost', the elderly, etc. 5. that everyone is able to make their own decisions regarding their relationship with God, and what they should do to please God. 6. our decisions should be made using our hearts (beliefs, morals, ethics), not the rules of our political leaders. Hmmmm....rebelling against authority....avoiding being totally rules-oriented....being an inclusive society, not exclusive.... focusing on supporting the poor, homeless, sick, mentally ill, elderly.....acknowledging the equality of women, all races, all social classes, etc....celebrating diversity......avoiding patriotism or blind adherence to political leaders.... Do those things sound like "liberal" attitudes? ABSOLUTELY! Was Jesus "conservative"? Absolutely NOT!
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TonyG 56692 years ago
Jim Haun very well put sir...couldn't have put it better myself.I've been saying the same for ages,certain people are so brainwashed and robotic quoting garbage rhetoric from the biased mainstream media.They certainly are very zombie like and need to wake up and smell the coffee as well as grasp what is really going on worldwide.
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KnuxSun [2020-04-25 22:58:20 +0000 UTC]
Afonso de Albuquerque10 months ago (edited)
Both the film and the soundtrack were heavily inspired by Alexander Nevsky. There's a lot of scenes in Conan that pay homage to Alexander Nevsky, particularly the charge of the Riders of Doom which is a low-key reproduction of the charge of the Teutonic Knights in the Battle of the Ice. Also the scene at the beginning of the movie, where they destroy young Conan's village. That's clearly inspired by the raid on Pskov and many original scenes are being reproduced. For example the way Thulsa removes his helmet (and even his hairstyle), it's a 1:1 reproduction of the Alexander Nevsky scene where the Grandmaster of the Teutonic Order removes his helmet. The music is also quite reminiscent of Prokofiev's score for Alexander Nevsky, perhaps too reminiscent... I just wish more people would be aware of this. Alexander Nevsky might be forgotten today, but it was a true masterpiece when it came out in 1938, and it influenced countless movies which came after for decades.
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Bruce Tucker7 months ago
I don't think it sounds too much like Prokofiev's score at all, although it was obviously inspired by it. I do have to say Nevsky's score is the better of the two. Otherwise Nevsky was a very influential movie and great for its time, but is pretty badly dated - the close-ups of the characters fighting are downright laughable compared to Conan's fight choreography. (I picture Eisenstein with a megaphone shouting "Okay, a BIG swing to the left at an offscreen opponent, now a BIG swing to the right at an offscreen opponent...") And the acting is more than a bit stiff, obviously still very influenced by stage acting conventions. (What's really funny about Nevsky is the theatrical release history - it was released widely in December 1938 with tremendous success, abruptly yanked from theaters with no explanation as if it had never existed in late August 1939, then returned to theaters en masse as if it had never gone away in late June, 1941. Even casual students of history should understand the context of those dates given the film's theme of fighting off the evil Teutonic invaders. I have to think Orwell was thinking of this when he wrote "Oceana had always been at war with EastAsia.")
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KnuxSun [2020-04-22 08:48:29 +0000 UTC]
Willow Uhfgood5 months ago
I realize "Chess" is a UK musical and has it's own story, however, whenever I hear this song I think of some sort of James Bond movie where Bond basically has to infiltrate some international chess tournament held in Thailand. He has to pretend to be some international grand master even though everyone knows who he is and actually win a game against greatest player in the world. Unbeknownst to the spectators and gamblers and players, each chess piece houses some diamonds. But not just any diamonds, ones where top secret codes and plans of various governments had been placed into them by high intensity pinpoint lasers, and Bond must not let it get into the hands of Britain's enemies and so has to win the tournament to abscond with the diamonds. Little does he know, Blofeld has his own agent with equal skill in chess and also the deadly arts. Sorry this is how my mind works, I hear a song I really love and my imagination just goes into overdrive and I come up with stuff. This is one of my favorite 80's songs.
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Klaudia4 months ago
Keith Weatherby II I’d pay for that film to be made 😂
Willow Uhfgood4 months ago
klaudia - Thanks Would be really cool.
Denise Nova4 months ago (edited)
I always thought all the chess references were metaphors
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2020-04-22 08:49:10 +0000 UTC]
pink rain3 weeks ago
"one night in lockdown..." 🎶
Yodiak3 weeks ago
complete the song
man guy2 weeks ago
@Yodiak lol
ThinWhiteAxe2 weeks ago
...makes a hard man humble Not much between you and COVID-19 One night in lockdown and the extroverts tumble They're going crazy with static company I can hear my roommate talk next door to me
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pink rain2 weeks ago
I can feel a virus sliding up to me
man guy2 weeks ago
pink rain "I like my viruses in the upper respiratory system, sunshine.
pink rain2 weeks ago
man guy I get my viruses below the waistline, sunshine
Larry Rudedude2 weeks ago (edited)
You'll find a thot in every meme and if your lucky the thot's a she. I can feel a sneeze sliding up to me.
*•:Monika:•*2 weeks ago
@ThinWhiteAxe 😂AWESOME!
*•:Monika:•*2 weeks ago
pink rain 😂☀️
ThinWhiteAxe2 weeks ago
@*•:Monika:•* haha glad you appreciated it 🤗
Brewza962 weeks ago
Someone needs to make a Covid-19 version!!
mamba17704 days ago
I like it
TheUglyGnome3 days ago (edited)
Wuhan - the Chinese setting, and the World doesn't know what the World is getting The creme de la creme of viruses in a play with everything but the vaccine Time flies - doesn't seem a minute since the Spanish flu made the soldiers sick All change - don't you know when you have this pandemic the shelves are empty No toilet paper, no disinfecants, no painkillers, just nothing! [chorus already written by others] One virus very like another if you bury your head in the sand, oh brother It's a drag, it's a bore It's really such a pity To be listening to your priest and not a physician .... [to be continued]
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TheUglyGnome3 days ago
man guy That line was a work of pure genius.
Sarah Clifford2 days ago
@Yodiak your onto something here 😉
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KnuxSun [2020-04-14 08:31:58 +0000 UTC]
hadn't cut himself off from the Force, but was guided by the Force to the island and instructed to wait and train the next Chosen One (meaning Rey)
Luke instructs Rey and trains her in the ways of the Jedi Order, but is limited by his own guilt for Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren (in my version, they were his old students who left with Ben when the Temple was destroyed) Snoke and Kylo sense Luke and Rey's combined power in the Force and travel to the island. They divide Luke and Rey; Kylo and his Knights going after Rey, while Snoke and his Praetorians face Luke.
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RYZ Creative Studio
RYZ Creative Studio1 day ago
Your idea sounds way better than what we actually got. Rian Johnson simply determined to "subvert expectations" ruin fan expectations.
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Patriotic Justice
Patriotic Justice1 day ago
RYZ Creative Studio Thanks. In the words of Yoda, "That is why you fail." Johnson, by trying to subvert expectations, led to the creation of what was basically a pile of poo scooped out of the toilet, sprinkled with glitter, and a Twitter post demanding it be called 'art.' Luke being such a wimp, Rose wanting to "punch a hole in this beautiful city" via animal activism, Rey somehow winning against multiple trained opponents with no training (but plenty of screw ups, if you look at the fight scene diagnosis), Leia pulling a Mary Poppins through an unsurvivable situation despite Lucasfilm originally saying she refused Jedi training in favor of rebuilding the Senate, and lastly, Holdo. F-ing... Holdo...
Imagine if Rey was the next Chosen One (someone selected by the Force when it was out of balance and tasked to restore it) The Dark Side cave would have been such a huge way to explain it. Rey enters the cave and journeys through the dark abyss. After a great fall, she comes across a stone room where Jedi ghosts are on the right side, and Sith ghosts are on the left (her walking between them representing balance between Light and Dark) They all watch her as she makes her way between them and approaches Anakin's lightsaber gently floating above a pedestal. She reaches out and touches it when she's overwhelmed with visions; the lightsaber being used by Anakin to save lives during the Clone Wars, and then to take lives during Order 66, only to save lives once again in Luke's hand as he led the Rebels.
Luke expresses his original concern with training the Chosen One after what happened with Darth Vader. He explains that her visions meant that the life of the Chosen One was often filled with sacrifice and strife in order to bring about the will of the Force; wether that means she will do great good or great evil, he doesn't know. This upsets her, as she doesn't want her destiny to be the next Darth Vader. This also further fuels her initial fear of the lightsaber, having only before felt the destruction it brought about, and now having witnessed it. She leaves the blade with Luke and tells him it belonged to him before leaving the cave.
We'll get a scene where the two reconcile and he trains her further in the ways of the Force, putting aside the lightsaber for now.
When Luke and Rey split up, we get a scene where Rey is alone on a section of the island, trying to prepare herself for the coming fight. She looks at Anakin's lightsaber in her hand, (having secretly been placed in her bag earlier by Luke) and she still feels the echoes in the Force over the lives it had taken. Anakin's spirit (alternating back and forth from Anakin to Vader) appears and asks her what is troubling her. She initially is angry with him, having only known of Vader's deeds throughout history and refuses to be like him. Anakin/Vader calls the blade to him and tells her that the will of the Force cannot be defined so easily; that this lightsaber was used to defend and destroy. It all depends on the heart of the one who wields it, and asks her to trust in the Force. She agrees right before Kylo and his Knights arrive. Kylo stares in awe at the spirit of the one he idolized, while Anakin/Vader looks at him with great sadness and disappointment before vanishing.
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RYZ Creative Studio
RYZ Creative Studio1 day ago
Patriotic Justice Now this is what i would have liked to see.
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2020-04-14 08:34:37 +0000 UTC]
hadn't cut himself off from the Force, but was guided by the Force to the island and instructed to wait and train the next Chosen One (meaning Rey)
Luke instructs Rey and trains her in the ways of the Jedi Order, but is limited by his own guilt for Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren (in my version, they were his old students who left with Ben when the Temple was destroyed) Snoke and Kylo sense Luke and Rey's combined power in the Force and travel to the island. They divide Luke and Rey; Kylo and his Knights going after Rey, while Snoke and his Praetorians face Luke.
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RYZ Creative Studio
RYZ Creative Studio1 day ago
Your idea sounds way better than what we actually got. Rian Johnson simply determined to "subvert expectations" ruin fan expectations.
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Patriotic Justice
Patriotic Justice1 day ago
RYZ Creative Studio Thanks. In the words of Yoda, "That is why you fail." Johnson, by trying to subvert expectations, led to the creation of what was basically a pile of poo scooped out of the toilet, sprinkled with glitter, and a Twitter post demanding it be called 'art.' Luke being such a wimp, Rose wanting to "punch a hole in this beautiful city" via animal activism, Rey somehow winning against multiple trained opponents with no training (but plenty of screw ups, if you look at the fight scene diagnosis), Leia pulling a Mary Poppins through an unsurvivable situation despite Lucasfilm originally saying she refused Jedi training in favor of rebuilding the Senate, and lastly, Holdo. F-ing... Holdo...
Imagine if Rey was the next Chosen One (someone selected by the Force when it was out of balance and tasked to restore it) The Dark Side cave would have been such a huge way to explain it. Rey enters the cave and journeys through the dark abyss. After a great fall, she comes across a stone room where Jedi ghosts are on the right side, and Sith ghosts are on the left (her walking between them representing balance between Light and Dark) They all watch her as she makes her way between them and approaches Anakin's lightsaber gently floating above a pedestal. She reaches out and touches it when she's overwhelmed with visions; the lightsaber being used by Anakin to save lives during the Clone Wars, and then to take lives during Order 66, only to save lives once again in Luke's hand as he led the Rebels.
Luke expresses his original concern with training the Chosen One after what happened with Darth Vader. He explains that her visions meant that the life of the Chosen One was often filled with sacrifice and strife in order to bring about the will of the Force; wether that means she will do great good or great evil, he doesn't know. This upsets her, as she doesn't want her destiny to be the next Darth Vader. This also further fuels her initial fear of the lightsaber, having only before felt the destruction it brought about, and now having witnessed it. She leaves the blade with Luke and tells him it belonged to him before leaving the cave.
We'll get a scene where the two reconcile and he trains her further in the ways of the Force, putting aside the lightsaber for now.
When Luke and Rey split up, we get a scene where Rey is alone on a section of the island, trying to prepare herself for the coming fight. She looks at Anakin's lightsaber in her hand, (having secretly been placed in her bag earlier by Luke) and she still feels the echoes in the Force over the lives it had taken. Anakin's spirit (alternating back and forth from Anakin to Vader) appears and asks her what is troubling her. She initially is angry with him, having only known of Vader's deeds throughout history and refuses to be like him. Anakin/Vader calls the blade to him and tells her that the will of the Force cannot be defined so easily; that this lightsaber was used to defend and destroy. It all depends on the heart of the one who wields it, and asks her to trust in the Force. She agrees right before Kylo and his Knights arrive. Kylo stares in awe at the spirit of the one he idolized, while Anakin/Vader looks at him with great sadness and disappointment before vanishing.
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KnuxSun [2020-04-14 08:27:55 +0000 UTC]
Evil Gopher4 months ago
A bit of Anakin slipped in when he made that joke. He was always still in there.
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Paloma Pseudoautista
Paloma Pseudoautista4 months ago
You damn right
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Bagus Laksono
Bagus Laksono4 months ago
Rewatching whole clone wars saga and reading this comment makes me sad again 😭
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Mieszko S
Mieszko S3 months ago
Read the rots novelization. After his to turn to ds he has a reaally dark sarcastic kind of jokes
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Skar800
Skar8003 months ago
I love those rare moments where a glimpse of Anakin is seen on Darth Vader.
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Frieza1500
Frieza15003 months ago
Oh yeah. Like when he is slaughtering the separatists. Geez, that would make him only more terrifying.
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Evil Gopher
Evil Gopher3 months ago
Mieszko S yeah in the novelisation the leader of the IG Banking Clan rushes to greet him while Vader only says "good. You'll die first"
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Stephen Byrne
Stephen Byrne3 months ago
Even the most powerful Sith in the galaxy, has a sense of humour.
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Santosificationable
Santosificationable1 month ago (edited)
Yes. Especially cocky lines like "when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master." Reminds one of "my powers have doubled since the last time we've met, Count!"
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ponggabor
ponggabor1 month ago
DAD joke 😏
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Michael Relaford
Michael Relaford1 month ago
@ponggabor why did you say that? Do you think that I'm a dad?
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Guruchintanan Devraj
Guruchintanan Devraj1 month ago
stephen Byrne actually Sidious was the most powerful, by far
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Benoît Martinez
Benoît Martinez1 month ago
What joke?
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Lydia_02
Lydia_023 weeks ago
Il'lL TrY sPInNInG ThaT"s a GoOD TRicK
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Jaegar Ultima
Jaegar Ultima2 weeks ago
No loose wire jokes... Did I say anything? He's trying...I didn't say anything!
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Strings
Strings1 week ago
Michael Relaford, was that a HISHE reference?
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Mark Neukom
Mark Neukom4 days ago
How ? I'm confused ???
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Evil Gopher
Evil Gopher4 days ago (edited)
mark Neukom Because Vader was Anakin. And making snarky jokes and puns was part of Anakin's personality.
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Mark Neukom
Mark Neukom4 days ago
evil Gopher Well, I don't remember that properly
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The AbelC
The AbelC2 days ago
When vader says "You seem unsettled" he has said that before with padme.. I noticed that shit right away
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KnuxSun [2020-04-02 05:50:44 +0000 UTC]
Greetings, let us recall that even Kevin J. Anderson ( www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comm…) and Tom Veitch--"We had total freedom. But, as you know, he had too see lists of our ideas and plans, and give approval for each thing. So he was definitely involved in the genesis of the ancient Jedi order. That said, I think George has always felt that the comics were an “alternate Star Wars universe” from the films. I don’t think he ever saw the comics as canon — although he did use them as a resource for ideas and images"(Veitch; www.starwarsunderworld.com/201…)--admitted their acknowledgement of Lucas never truly considering their own sequel visions as apart of his vision. I honestly cannot locate Timothy Zahn's opinion of such matter; however, I am relatively aware that he did certainly respect Lucas' vision enough ( www.syfy.com/syfywire/timothy-… ) and is seemingly quite adaptable across the EU and Legends--that is except "Dark Empire". ...
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Black-Handed_Ice_ Gwiazda43 minutes ago (edited)
Greetings, let us recall that even Kevin J. Anderson ( www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comm…) and Tom Veitch--"We had total freedom. But, as you know, he had too see lists of our ideas and plans, and give approval for each thing. So he was definitely involved in the genesis of the ancient Jedi order. That said, I think George has always felt that the comics were an “alternate Star Wars universe” from the films. I don’t think he ever saw the comics as canon — although he did use them as a resource for ideas and images"(Veitch; www.starwarsunderworld.com/201…)--admitted their acknowledgement of Lucas never truly considering their own sequel visions as apart of his vision. Even Timothy Zahn considered his novels as "always just the books”( ew.com/article/2012/11/02/star…); however, let it be known that he did certainly respect Lucas' vision enough ( www.syfy.com/syfywire/timothy-…) and is seemingly quite adaptable across the EU and Legends ( www.theverge.com/2018/7/25/175…)--that is except "Dark Empire" and cloned Palpatines. ... ~Ice~
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KnuxSun [2020-03-25 09:20:11 +0000 UTC]
John Macloyd3 months ago
You forgot when he got pissed at a guy for making a ytp about cool cat joining isis. Derek threaten him by showing that guy's actual address.
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ManyKudos
ManyKudos3 months ago
I had no idea about that until the guy who made it showed up in these comments, if you look for Mr Bump 2.0's comment he tells the full story behind it. Absolute insanity
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Guamish
Guamish2 months ago
ManyKudos you should pin it if you see it again
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Please Complete All Fields
Please Complete All Fields2 months ago
Dont fuck with Daddy Derek. Hes an absolute madman.
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Dracocrusher
Dracocrusher2 months ago
Holy crap.... Derek Savage is such a freaking sociopath! Like you see the film and it's just like "Oh, ha ha, this man made a bad low-budget kids thing", but the more I hear about Daddy Derek the more it seems like he's ACTUALLY a really screwed up controlling person who can't take criticism and doesn't understand why it's bad for him to just do whatever he feels like.
Like with that account of how he fired the Mama Cat actress because he wanted to get with her and thought she wasn't interested. I mean, he actually doesn't seem to get why that's bad. And then there's all the twitter stuff that's just so unaware of who he's making these posts for. Can you imagine if there was some kid out there who really did just like Cool Cat as a children's thing and then they just see all this stuff about Cool Cat saying people are fucking dogs and that CNN is fake news?
Maybe I'm overthinking things, but this is some crazy bullshit. It feels like the type of stuff I'd expect from Randy Pitchford of Borderland/ Medieval Times Magician Flashdrive fame, but just way earlier and without as much power behind it.
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Sad Trophy Wife
Sad Trophy Wife2 months ago
I'd say "do it faget" then report him to the police ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Andrew Kuder
Andrew Kuder1 month ago
Imagine getting doxed by the man behind Cool Cat
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Teag Brohman
Teag Brohman2 weeks ago
Jesus Tapdancing Christ
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indeepj
indeepj2 weeks ago
Welp, This Is Why I Want My Own Personal Revolver
Also I Cant Find Mr Bump 2.0 In This Comment Section
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yaba doggo
yaba doggo1 week ago
@ManyKudos I know Bump; me and a few others were wigging out when that happened. Bump's a pretty chill guy, I'll bet he'd be willing give you an interview if that's something you'd be after. Talking to him about it first though hehehe
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Sheevlord
Sheevlord2 months ago
This video is going to get viral soon. Or get a copyright strike from Mr. Savage. Probably both.
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Chris Gostanian
Chris Gostanian2 months ago
Oh wow, Derek’s cool cat voice straight up sounds like a bad impression.
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ReloadPsi
ReloadPsi2 months ago
Derek does everything badly, so that's a given.
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solanceDarkMOW
solanceDarkMOW2 months ago
He's channeling real strong apologist energy.
Like, ICR levels
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Crusty Soap
Crusty Soap2 months ago
The first time I heard his voice it sounded like Timmy's from the Adventures of Timmy the Tooth but the Adventures of Timmy the Tooth had a lot of heart put in it
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Laura Birdwell
Laura Birdwell1 week ago
It almost sounds like self parody to me. But we all know Derek is too egotistical to do that.
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The Kino Corner2 months ago
Don't forget Cool Cat talking about his cat fetishes on twitter.
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zealot246
zealot2462 months ago
wait what
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Putindas Gaming
Putindas Gaming2 months ago
Link?
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The Kino Corner
The Kino Corner2 months ago
@Putindas Gaming twitter.com/CoolCatlovesyou/st…
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H.G. Commons
H.G. Commons2 months ago
The Kino Corner What does that even mean?
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Drake Drake
Drake Drake2 months ago
the Kino Corner I wanna keep saying it's a parody account but...
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DunDun Productions
DunDun Productions1 month ago
no wonder daddy derek's wife is a cat.
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J Shannon
J Shannon2 weeks ago
His fans have lost their minds
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Matt H
Matt H2 months ago
We need to make “Cool Cat Stops a School Shooting” with Kanye West a real thing.
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Dad
Dad4 months ago
You forgot to mention some of the cat fetish and incest stuff on his twitter
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ManyKudos
ManyKudos4 months ago
I honestly could have made the entire video on his Twitter alone, there was a lot of cut footage from it that I might chuck up on my Twitter some day
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Jëss ?????
Jëss ?????2 months ago
@ManyKudos Well, what are you waiting for? Now, that's a video everybody would watch and love!
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Exploding Tomahawks
Exploding Tomahawks2 months ago (edited)
What the fuck? Did that actually happen?
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Dinker27
Dinker272 months ago
exploding Tomahawks Yes. And the foot fetish.
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Exploding Tomahawks
Exploding Tomahawks2 months ago
Dinker27 O_O Just when I think the motherfucker can't get crazier... Wow.
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Star Pillars
Star Pillars2 months ago
Dinker27 I don’t have a problem with the foot fetish thing, but isn’t his Twitter supposed to be aimed at children? And also nobody on the internet needs to know his kinks.
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Dad2 months ago
And that isn't even scratching the surface, everyday he digs himself a deeper grave
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Dinker27
Dinker272 months ago
star Pillars I agree. There's a lot of nonsense that he should move to another account, at the very least.
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KnuxSun [2020-03-22 18:52:06 +0000 UTC]
Moon3 years ago (edited)
renegade Cut - About your comment on Antonius having found his meaning in the moments of happiness with his friends - I thought so too when I reached that part of the movie. However, as you see at the end when Death comes to claim him, he is the only one out of the group who averts his gaze from him and openly cries out to God for salvation. Others in the group recognise that, unlike God, Death is a real palpable force that they know for sure to exist and that it holds power over everyone, and accordingly pays it respect, and look and speak to him directly, showing that they accept him fully and do not deny him. The servant girl is even entranced by him and kneels before him almost religiously. Antonius, the character who has been searching for an answer to the conundrum of comfort offered by faith in God and the harshness of rational thoughts, and seemed to be moving towards the latter throughout the film, looks away from Death, covers his face and then prays to God. He was not able to find an answer even to the end of his life and accordingly is not at peace - he still does not understand what Death will bring. What can a man in his circumstance do? Cry out to God and ask for salvation, even though he does not know or fully believe that He exists. Faith, after all, is something you have in the face of a lack of a proof.
The squire, on the other hand, had already fully accepted the idea that God does not exist and that life is inherently meaningless, save for the meaning you give to it. Therefore when Death comes, he is able to face him head on as he already knows what Death is and has lived his life accordingly - enjoying it to the fullest and thereby giving it meaning. I noticed that he is the only one in the group who actually looks directly at the camera, perhaps showing that the level of his awareness transcends all of the others in the group. While others have spent their lives grappling with their fear of the meaninglessness of life, the squire has already accepted it and had moved on to creating his own meaning in it. Antonius gets a glimpse of this possibility when he shared a meal with the actor's family, but was not able to commit to it like the squire did. The difference between these two characters are reflected in this dialogue:
Antonius: "God, you who are somewhere, who must be somewhere... have mercy on us."
Squire: "I could have purged your worries about eternity... but now it's too late. But feel, to the very end, the triumph of being alive!"
This is what I thought anyway after seeing the film and your video. Please pardon the stream-of-consciousness style of writing. I would appreciate anything you want to comment on my thoughts. Thanks.
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Ice Man
Ice Man2 years ago
Awesome elaboration!
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Gus White
Gus White1 month ago
I saw an interview where Bergman states that the movie intends to showcase the different “meanings” people put on life/death. I find the squire and the actor to be the two most interesting figures: the former being somewhat my intent at looking at life in the face of rationality and the latter being my fantasy, of wishing life to be as magical as when I was a child, without this rationality.
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Klaus Brinck
Klaus Brinck3 days ago
A good protagonist has to run throught the largest transformation during a movie, in order to be appealing... That means, in many good films, that the surrounding cast constists many times of characters that are more developed than him (in a certain respect, at least), maybe... While they don´t change much, and offer no big chance for a good dramaturgy, the protagonist does, and tranforms a lot, what makes him more interesting, or, in other words, the "protagonist".
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KnuxSun [2020-01-27 08:25:56 +0000 UTC]
The origin and aim of the two series are entirely different. Tolkien was a professor of languages who lamented his culture's lack of a cohesive mythology and set out to create one. Rowling was a working class mom who set out to encourage young people to turn off the television and read. Both were highly successful on their own terms. Is Harry Potter great literature? No. But it's done more for youth literacy than anything else in the last 25 years. Countless young readers have gone on to discover Tolkien, Dickens, and a whole host of other great authors (perhaps even Joyce and Proust) that they might never have
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KnuxSun [2020-01-05 23:17:18 +0000 UTC]
Wasn't the whole "alpha wolf" thing debunked?
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it was but they still have a social order that does lead to a social hierarchy. I don't think the term "alpha" should be used though given it's cultural and historic connotation and denotation respectively
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Jackysutarrodetierra 1 month ago
lee Butler the problem is that in this video they talk as if dogs followed the same social structures than wolves, which is completely false and harmful to think and spread. I hope they rectify.
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@Jackysutarrodetierra have no clue how it's harmful or wrong. Either way, they did follow the same social order as wolves given that dogs were domesticated from wolves and wolves do indeed have the same social behavior as wolves
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KimeraClan 1 month ago (edited)
Evolution has been shown to be much more intriguing than the often simplistic slogan "only the strong survive." Alpha, as in leader, is still applicable at a certain extent in pack animals. I like to think that wolves, rabbits, sheep and others are ruled by a council of alphas and then the one with the last word. Same applies in matriarchal animals such as cattle and whales. What I'm worried about are the people who take alpha to heart and let it go their heads.
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@KimeraClan what does that have to do with this or the information being shown? they don't need to add 5 minutes of side bar to clarify some social/cultural misunderstanding that's ultimately unrelated and tangential to the point of the video. Especially considering that the alpha thing was brought up in like 5 seconds and the only thing that was said about them is that we didn't allow them to breed... I understand that you're hyper aware of the political climate and that's not necessarily a bad thing, but know your audience and don't forget context. Anyone who heard the breif mention of the word in this video and came out with the conclusion that being an alpha was simply the best way for them to live their life was doing some insane mental gymnastics and most definitely knew what an "alpha" was in the social sense. In other words, they probably wouldn't be convinced otherwise, so why derail a normal and science based video to address a very small minority that won't listen about a non-scientific issue? There are places and times for that but this video isn't one of them. I hope I got my point across there.
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lee Butler It's just a little trivia. I let Animalogic deal with zoology and I'll chime in on the tangential aspects. It's just my groove. Besides, the audience that you mentioned are already avid animal enthusiasts so they're watching this video for what the video has to say and not to me. Also, if Animalogic will spray in pop culture to get their lesson across then I will use their videos as a platform for my knowledge and ideas. I mean they have an image of a mummified cat as a thumbnail, how am I supposed to react?
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@KimeraClan I'm not against you adding that stuff into your comments but you (or the other commented that I thought you were), seemed to think that Animalogic should've added that stuff to their video. If I didn't make it clear, that's what I had issue with. I don't really care if anyone chooses to add stuff which is why I'm not in any other threads that mention the topic. .
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Yes and misinformation about "alpha" hierarchies being natural is extremely dangerous, it functions as right wing propaganda and justifies all manner of abuse and evil. Alphas are not real, humans are not wolves, and using this language in the video is highly regrettable.
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There is not a king of the pack but still having a highly hierarchy based in dominance.
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Mudzette Miczarial 1 month ago
On a wolf pack the 'alphas' are litterally just the parents of the other wolves. It would be like calling our parents alpha people. In a wolf packthe mothers and fathers, or typically mothers and father. They Are in charge they are the alphas in a sense. In a human family the mother and father are in charge. I'm not an expert and there's a lot of ins and outs of wolf society. But socially wolves are very similar to us.
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lee Butler Can you explain what is that "cultural and historic connotation and denotation respectively"?
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Lee Butler 1 month ago (edited)
@Fergutor the cultural connotation is what everyone else in this thread is referring to. "Alpha" as a dominant and more attractive man who takes charge in their dealings with primarily women (though this isn't exclusive to men/women dynamics) in opposition (or comparison) to "betas" who are subservient and are likely to be used by women. The historic denotation is the specific definition of what an "alpha" wolf is from a book published by a guy who studied wolves in captivity in what i believe is Yellowstone. Put overly simply, an alpha wolf was thought to be the leader of the pack (who presumably ruled by just being more domineering) but I don't remember the specifics. The cultural connotation has been considered problematic and often correlates with a weak world-view and a more misogynistic view of women and the historic denotation has been proven wrong and the book has been debunked by zoologists and even the author on account of it being not great science and also by it determining wild wolf behavior with the behavior of wolves in captivity.
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@Diphyllum Lol wut???
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Its like even with SPEECH you people hate Freedom. Ban this ban that, "This is offensive"... Says who? YOU guys are dictating freedoms -_-
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Did they use the term "alpha wolf" in the video? It referred to humans (starts dog domestication part at 5:45 ish) as "alpha members" of human-dog relationships, but didn't specifically refer to wolf societies as having alphas; simply that they also have hierarchical societies (which, as far as I know, is not untrue). I suppose it's more ambiguous than I first interpreted (I was specifically listening for it).
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ben Raga ^Not YET... But wait for it. Its coming, and these are the people who see it as helping... When its just damaging the foundations of Freedom.
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@Diphyllum Alpha hierarchies totally exist, just not in wolves. Chimps can achieve alpha status, though it's more through being useful to the group than through sheer strength.
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Александра Романова 1 month ago
I thought it's just the term was redefined and nearly everyone knows already that the old "alpha" theory is wrong.
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lee Butler Wolf social hierarchy is MUM and DAD and the kids. Dog social hierarchy is that we have replaced mum & dad with human owners. Doubling down on false science is NOT a worthwhile endeavour.
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@Diphyllum Pretty far catch. Alphas are real, if you actually bring the right explanation. And cmon, if some supid idiot want to make some propaganda he'll find something to use. If you just look at the whole animal kingdom. Nature is 99% crucial. Thats life. We somekind evolved from this, but we cant change the nature of nature by simply avoiding terms. Plus we dont invented the term for hierarchies of animals. Alpha simply means the first, above all other. Its just a old greek letter. Even if we dont use it for wolves or any other animal as you demand, we would still use it for human hierarchies as you complain.
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Mudzette Miczarial yeah basically we're our dog's pretend grandparents
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Diphyllum I think you’re taking this whole “alpha” thing a little bit too far
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Being "Alpha" in a animal society either of wolves, apes or etc., doesn't mean leading by force. There is a TED talk about the misinterpretation of being the "Alpha". As in those societies the "Alpha" is someone with social skills that help the group to calm down or help resolve disputes without deadly force or no violence.
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what even is this thread
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ForestofTooMuchFood 1 month ago
It will take time for the rest of world to be re-educated. Be patient.
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RedBeardDog At least someone gets it... I haven't see that talk but it doesn't take a genius to figure out, and WHEN did everyone get so bad at nuance?!?
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all games dead 3 weeks ago (edited)
no it wasn't. an alpha is someone that has the most resource's to give to a female in order to produce offspring. they have dominance that the female is attracted to. wolves have this and we do as well because of the fact we are related to chimps they have alpha's and fight with other alpha's to require more resources. they are very brutal when they fight they literally rip the other alpha apart.
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@Diphyllum bahahahahahaha how dumb are you?! right wing propaganda XD what other word should you use to describe an individual that has the most resources that the female wants in order to produce offspring? go back to tumbler.
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lee Butler I think stating this in the video brings a lot more clarification for animal behaviors as I didn't know wolves didn't operate in the old alpha traditional sense and more so operated as a family with elders having the final say. Although we have such structures, when they say packs, and alpha it doesn't give a sense of family but more so a sense of a leader and his unit which is disingenuous at best when describing the social order of wolves.
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@Hulkitout so, I don't really have anything new to add here. I agree that "alpha" is an antiquated term that should be more precisely used and shouldn't have been used in this video. Adding in a 5 minute off-topic sidebar to clarify the general misuse or misunderstanding of the term doesn't make sense. If they wanted to avoid confusion, they should have just not said the word. This is all stuff that I've said earlier in the comment thread. Nobody has provided a reason as to why adding in a non sequitur to justify (not) using a word is better than just not using the word in question. I understand that you didn't or don't know how wolf social hierarchies work, but this video isn't about wolf social hierarchies, so it doesn't really make a ton of sense to shove that in.
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Just my two cents, but I believe there id a sort of 'alpha' dynamic in canines/dogs in the sense that there are dominant and submissive dogs. The most dominant dog in a group of unrelated dogs will became the supposed 'alpha' as in they will be the one to have breeding rights as they can beat up other pack members and what not. Look at groups of dogs in breeding programs and how they interact. Usually there are a pair that's more or less the Matriarch and patriarch that will target and correct other members of their group based off of undesirable behaviours. I.e. a pack member who has a high energy Temperment would get targeted by the Matriarch or patriarch and be corrected through physical means (as per their instincts). It can be brutal if unmitigated, which is why most dog breeders are involved in their pack as the overall 'alpha' in the sense that they are the one who puts down the dogs, trains them, corrects their behaviour in lesser, but still effective, means that translates to them. An example I know of is Senza Tempo. She puts dogs in submissive posture with a command and makes them lie there until they're completely submissive. Sometimes she'll simulate a "mouth bit"' by grabbing the dog's muzzle firmly and shaking it. While that can sound like abuse to an untrained eye or ear, but it's a more humane way to correct a dog in their language than a dog doing that to another dog. If another dog were to do it, one who isn't monitered or trained to ease up, the offender of the pack's standard would be scarred, harmed, and beat up, as instincts still exist in dogs. Of course, positive reinforcement and general training methods are effective (and used by Rachel of Senza Tempo, btw), but you shouldn't rule out understanding your dog's body language, their 'culture,' or even correcting them for more serious things with putting them in firmly (but not harshly!) Into submissive posture. It's actions they understand more than you barking a word and thus can be effective when training out bad behaviours.
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2020-01-05 23:19:51 +0000 UTC]
I thought that Wolves having Alpha's was debunked specifically by the guy who came up with it because he found that those structures only appear in packs that are cut off from the rest of the world specifically like those in zoos and that in real life there is more of a spectrum of wolf alpha-ness but they don't always follow that behavior and the alpha wolf can look after the pups like a mother wolf would while the mother goes out to hunt...
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Yeah, it was debunked by multiple researchers, including the one who originally came up with it. I'm kind of surprised to hear this channel perpetuate outdated ideas about wolf and dog behavior that have been proven wrong. The guy who originally came up with alpha theory had been basically begging people to stop believing it and spreading the myth. It's sad how people hold onto it as if it's fact.
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masterrance 1 month ago (edited)
It is debunked as alphas are usually parents or elders but it fits here as we are tricking the animals into thinking we are one of those.
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I thought alphas exist but are not the strongest wolf instead are the parents of most of the pack
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Jackysutarrodetierra 1 month ago
nox many people still call the older wolves of the pack "alpha", I can see why but I think the term is too paired with the idea of a ""dominant", strong, even aggressive wolf and should not be used anymore.
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She says "alphas". From context she made it clear that some, not one, were more dominant than the others.
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shawn Awesome 77 Wolves do NOT have Alphas unless several unrelated wolves are forced together in an un-natural manner by humans. Wolves have Mum & Dad. Dogs also do NOT see things in terms of Alphas. Not only have we breed them over millennia to keep juvenile traits, but we also almost always substitute a dog parent with a human parent since we remove a puppy from it's dog parent whilst it is still a juvenile. Talk of "Alphas" has absolutely NO function or benefit in discussion about Wolf or Dog behaviour.
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true But they do respond to dominance as said in the video
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AKArainkit 1 month ago (edited)
They debunked the concept of alpha, that being the strongest member of the pack is the leader, but using the term alpha to describe the lead pair of a wolf pack is still common in scientific circles. Basically it's just the word we've come to use. Like how a group of wolves is called a pack or a group of crows is called a murder.
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@AKArainkit exactly, the word is still used, but the connotation attached to it is largely inaccurate barring either unnatural or extremely specific circumstances (such as the parents in a pack being killed. There might be a bit of a struggle there, but if I understand it, it's usually the next oldest pair that takes over what passes for leadership).
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Captive wolves only.
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True, but, as has been indicated, what was said isn't entirely wrong... They're skirting the myth, but the usage of the word is still there and domesticated dogs do have the dominance thing... even if the two aren't actually connected in Wolves. Is complex, and I think they might have gone for the simpler option?
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"Alpha wolf" don't automatically mean it's a male. There are alpha male and female wolves in a pack, and they are the only ones who are allowed to breed, while the other beta wolves cannot.
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What about social otter species, such as the Asian small clawed otter and the giant otter, do they still have alphas?
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KnuxSun [2020-01-05 23:14:20 +0000 UTC]
Wasn’t the pigeon also bred as a food source and/or messenger? Somewhere down the line they became less useful and they escaped to become pests in cities?
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Yes, though there were also wild species like the now extinct passenger pigeon.
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The messenger pigeons are extinct, the common pigeon we have in urban areas are rock pigeons.
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Rock doves were domesticated for use as messengers. Some escaped and bred rapidly, turning from rock doves into feral pigeons.
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Even their droppings were valued as a fertilizer, no joke.
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You think they can turn rock pigeons (urban/city pigeons) into messenger pigeons?
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clay Soggyfries I mean some people still breed pigeons as messengers
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Some people use them as food
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frozen Viking you're thinking of passenger pigeons, which are a species of wild pigeon. Messenger pigeons are not a certain species. Rock doves can in theory be used to send messages.
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EccentricSage there still are wild pigeons, but passenger pigeons are in fact extinct from overhunting.
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Brendan Richter 1 month ago (edited)
Also, pigeons are still bred with the intention of making them fast or attractive. Show pigeons and racing pigeons are still quite popular in many parts of the world
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they were a food source and in ancient times they were useful for sending messages, they stated to became less useful when human inventions like Radio, Telegraph, Telephone, Cars, Airplanes, started to become a common thing
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@Im Asian yup i shoot the odd wood pigeon for my supper
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pigeons are rock doves and theyve been released into cites since greek times so that poor people have free cheap food
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red eyed tree frog 2 weeks ago
PaperManiac they still are a food to this day.
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KnuxSun [2020-01-02 03:38:06 +0000 UTC]
Making Rey a nobody was one of the best ideas Rian Johnson thought of for The Last Jedi.
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Brandon Ontama 2 hours ago (edited)
The problem with the scene is that: 1) It was subversion for the sake of subversion. In the Force Awakens Rey was told that her parents weren't coming back and that she needed to move forward which she did and she moved on with her journey. Furthermore, she never cared or thought her parents were special she just wanted them to return home. So why was Rey rewritten? Because it wasn't Rey that cared about her parents but the fans were the ones who wanted to know who they were. Rian never wrote the plot twist to develop Rey character but to simply shock the audience. That's not good writing 2) Her powers become an problem, one of the main excuses for Rey being powerful with the force was that they next movie would explain why. But now we don't get an explanation, so why is she so powerful if she an nobody? Cause the plot says so. To be fair her parents didn't have to be special if we just got an explanation for why she was so strong that would be fine. (And the force needing her because of balance isn't an excuse as it was the same thing her Luke Skywalker but he still her to train). 3) She treated no differently from chosen one characters. One of the main appeals of an nobody is that they don't have natural talent simply given to them unlike chosen one characters that simply get it immediately. But Rey is suddenly powerful with the force without training or earning it, its handed to her by the plot. She might be an "nobody" the the plot treats her as if she special. Also while Anakin was the chosen one he too was an nobody, heck he was an slave.
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brandon Ontama Ok thanks for the essay, and I respect your views. But I still do really enjoy that Rey being nothing was thought of and I feel it was a great idea, not due to the subversion of expectation but the change of an overused Star Wars trope
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pine To The Cone Cool.
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Benjamin Bestmann 34 minutes ago
Idk about anyone else but I personally did not care about Rey's parentage until the movies kept telling me I should care in TFA. I still think she's stupid overpowered even if she's not a Mary sue I still got no tension anytime she was on screen bc she could do anything better than any other character. So yeah when she's so good at everything and they kept giving us flashbacks to her being left behind by her parents, it made me wonder who her parents were. Also her being a Palpatine makes no sense over the whole trilogy 🤷♂️
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KnuxSun [2019-12-29 07:59:12 +0000 UTC]
"Kylo doesn't want to be saved" Thank you. I wish more people understood this.
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he literaly killed his own father because he didnt wanted to be good .HE WANTS TO BE EVIL
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So Luke can’t even be bothered to try? He just knows for sure? I would be fine with Luke having attempted it, genuinely, and knowing he can’t do it afterwards. Because ONE person can’t save everyone on a moral level. I can accept that Luke could save Vader, who had been a Sith for decades and irreparably evil, but couldn’t save Kylo, because Kylo didn’t want to be saved by Luke. What I find harder to accept is that Luke can’t even be bothered to try. The most evil Sith in the galaxy gets a fair shot even though everyone was yelling at Luke “KILL HIM!!” But his nephew? His sister’s child, his best friend’s son gets written off because “Snoke got to him first?” I’m sorry, but no. Luke cannot say Vader deserved a shot after blowing up a planet, but Kylo “can’t be saved.” Not without at least trying to do so.
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greatsayain Neither did Vader? No crap he doesn’t want to be saved. Almost no one ever does. Doesn’t mean they’re irredeemable,
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Nor did some of us want to see him saved or thought he was worth saving.
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At least, Kylo doesn't want to be saved by Luke, the guy he is convinced wanted to kill him.
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JJ Abrams: NOPE!
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tom fegan then why didn’t Luke try to redeem the Emperor then?
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adorni I think we're all missing the point... we're saying that by Luke's claim that he can't save Kylo... that Kylo can't be saved at all. And, while that MIGHT be true, there's another possibility that makes more sense - that Luke isn't the one who CAN save Kylo. The hatred Kylo has for Luke due to their past pretty much closes off any chance Luke could get through to him the way he is now. And, since Luke knowing what he that he was pushing himself beyond his limit at the time and would likely die from it, he knew that, even if he had could redeem his nephew with time... he sacrificed that time to save the rebels and maintain that "spark of hope"... to be that legend everyone wanted him to be. Kylo might not be redeemable... but the way Luke worded it does not rule out that he could still be. It just means it won't be Luke who does it... likely not Leia either... or his family, potentially leaving that chance towards someone else (likely Rey, who does seem to have some connection with him). We're assuming that what Luke said is that Kylo absolutely cannot be saved... but, as it has been stated, "only the Sith deal in absolutes".
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brandon Lyon He didn't try to redeem the Emperor because the Emperor wasn't related to him. Luke isn't a naive, altruistic pacifist. His concern with saving Vader lay in the fact that Obi-Wan told him Anakin was a brave and noble Jedi who was killed by Darth Vader. Vader corrected this misconception by saying that he and Anakin were the same person, and that Luke secretly knew this, but didn't want to believe it. To kill one's family, even if they're a monster like Vader, is not a simple thing to do, and in good storytelling it leaves a question with the character: If my own father could become this way, could it happen to me? Luke's goal is ultimately selfless, but it's not without it's selfISH aspects. Because while he believes his father can be saved, he also wants to know he can be saved, as well, if the worst should happen. That the Dark Side isn't absolute if someone should fall to it. He didn't care about saving The Emperor, because he didn't know if the Emperor was Sith from the beginning or not. He did know Vader was a good man who fell, however. And when someone falls, you should be trying to help them back up, not curb-stomping them. That's why this "Snoke got to him first" nonsense doesn't gel. Not only is it a throwaway line used to try and justify Luke's odd behavior, but Vader was already in the Dark Side's grasp for about two decades, at least. So it shouldn't matter to Luke whether Snoke "got to him first," because Luke already saved Darth Vader. There is no reason for him to assume Kylo is "beyond saving" just because Snoke already said "hey, come to the Dark Side, we have free t-shirts," because he has very solid evidence that people who fall to the Dark Side can be saved.
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tom fegan You are right. Not everyone should be saved, but that means they gave up on themselves, that doesn't mean we should give up on them. If any franchise should be chastised for a hero not redeeming someone, it should be MLP, which in it's final season decided that a child was irredeemable, even though we know so little about her.
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2019-12-29 08:03:25 +0000 UTC]
Okay, so regarding Snoke; for starter, I personally think the Darth Plagueis theory would have been stupid and pointless; I mean, yeah, from a lore perspective it would have been interesting to see Darth Plagueis being expanded upon, but from the perspective of the story... who would care among the characters? As far as we know, the only character who ever heard of Darth Plagueis were Palpatine and Vader, and they were both dead by this point. If Snoke had suddenly revealed he was Darth Plagueis to Rey, most likely her answer would have been "... Who?" WITH THAT SAID I still dislike that they never really do something about who he was, not because I was expecting a huge backstory, but because of the impact he had. With Palpatine, yeah, we didn't need to know his backstory for the original movie because we didn't need to know how the status quo came to be. The postlogy, on the other hand, is a sequel, and Snoke is the guy who seemingly came out of nowhere and destroyed all the accomplishments done in the original trilogy. It's a bit frustrating that they didn't bother explaining how he did this or where a Dark force user suddenly came from when Siths were all but extinct. So yeah my complain is less baout not living up to the EU's complexity (EU which I never read by the way) and more about the fact all that was built in the original trilogy was destroyed offscreen by some asshole who we never knew where he came from. On a sidenote, while I would have preferred if Luke actually was here for it, him brushing off his shoulder after getting shot at is one of my favourite parts in the movie^^ I will admit, you did make me reconsider at least a bit about this movie and admitting there are some positives.
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and then we did learn he's backstory...it was disappointment of a whole new level.
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AngryBrony You mean what's revealed in Rise of the Skywalkers? ... True. That was a whole new level of dumb. I haven't seen the movie, but if what I heard about Snoke's origin is true... yeah, they might as well not have bothered.
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People look for answers because in the span of 30 years, there's suddenly a completely new massively powerful Sith lord that we never heard of that just came out of nowhere. People want a coherent story, because it's a franchise. You don't have to be some massive fan of books or comics or whatever, because there have been 6 movies already. Linkara's rant is annoying, because the obvious counter-argument to it is "Then why bother with any form of continuity at all if the movies are about Rey and Ben?" Why get so angry at the fans who want a concise story, to look for clues and talk between themselves. It's too bad that it was later revealed that nothing was planned. No storyboard was laid out beforehand for the trilogy. They just winged it and hoped the next writer would connect the dots. It's like the antithesis of Marvel.
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mackeroni "Then why bother with any form of continuity at all if the movies are about Rey and Ben?" That is not a counter argument, that is a strawman fallacy. The story focusing on Kylo and Rey and thus Snoke's backstory is superfluous to the focus of the narrative has nothing to do with continuity, nor does it mean continuity should or has to be disregarded to focus the story on them. As for why we never heard of Snoke before and he just "came from nowhere", that's is simply a nonsensical thing to say. The movie never dived into his backstory, no, but disgarding Episode IX (because fans were pissed about this before it came out), Snoke DID have a backstory, we just didn't hear it on-screen, the same we don't get backstory for a lot of the new characters beyond a few small notes. It's how Star Wars works and has always worked. Luke's aunt and uncle had a backstory, Tarkin had a backstory, Boba Fett had a backstory, Qui-Gon had a backstory, Darth Maul had a backstory. Did these backstories get featured in the movies? No. Should they have been? No, not unless their backstory supplements the film's narrative. Complaining that we never learned Snoke's backstory in the movies before they killed him is just fanboy whining. As for why we never heard of him before - so? Snoke was not yet a player in galatic power and was not on anyone's radar, and if he was, it comes back to not being mentioned in the previous movies because he was not relevant to them. I don't see people complaining that Thrawn and Mira Jade "just came out of nowhere".
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If you can get your hands in the Darth Plagueis book, though, do it. It's fantastic and also still canon, despite being part of the old EU.
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@DrakeyC in the prequels there exists a system in place to justify the existence of multiple Jedi and a Sith lord who can justify the existence of apprentices. When Snoke shows up there was no one left to teach him. It makes you wonder how he got so strong, if he was strong while the emperor was still around how did he go unnoticed. Was he an underling the whole time.
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I feel that is more an issue with the sequels regarding their villains in general. We are told next to nothing about where the First Order is getting the funding for its massive warships, and being able to construct Starkiller Base. It took supplemental materials to explain it, which depicts the New Republic as being so corrupt and ineffective wasn't even worth fighting for. I have seen a defense saying that and TLJ were commenting on rebuilding without learning about the failures of the past. The problem with that is that TLJ focused on the Jedi Order, not the Old Republic. The New Republic is such a non entity that its corruption feels like it was just thrown as an excuse to allow the First Order's rise, not because something that existed for creative story telling purposes. Rise of Skywalker just enforced that view.
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@greatsayain I doubt that Palpatine had control over every dark side artifact, textbook, holocron, etc, in the galaxy. And if they said he did, well, that was in the EU and that's non-canon anymore.
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@Theokal3 the writers went and took some plot ideas from legends and used it.in a new for for Canon. Apparently Darth sidious had survived enough the explosion and not actually hit the reactior. Also he had sex at one point.
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@DrakeyC fair point. Although it would be the first time we've seen anyone learn to use the force from anything other than a person. I mean I'm an advanced way, not just natural skill.
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@greatsayain True, but it may also be that Snoke WAS just naturally skilled in the Force.
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@DrakeyC which brings us back to the logical question of who the fuck was he to be that naturally skilled in the force, and that's the issue. If he is just so naturally good that he could do all of this, without training. Why, if not who trained him. That's my issue with it, I his existence and his level of power raise a lot of questions.
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Why are so many people obsessed with this guy? One they've never seen before? His death was the ironic end to that whole tale!
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Travis Himebaugh 4 days ago (edited)
Speaking as someone who thinks the Sequel Trilogy could have used a lot more coordination and plotting-in-advance... Snoke is probably one of the characters I liked more in each installment. I was extremely doubtful at first, but I like his design, his death, and even the eventual reveal about his origins (not so much the person behind his origins, but the concept I like a lot).
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greatsaiyan In books and other media we've seen people get taught by holocrons, force ghosts, artifacts, and ancient texts before, and even at the end of this, Rey is implied to be studying the ancient jedi texts, before the next movie.
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Honestly, looking back, I'm a little more upset Anakin never appeared once. The meta reason is that the production staff wanted nothing to do with the prequels at all, but Disney kept advertising this trilogy as one continous story. If so, then Anakin definitely needed a major role since he is the main character.
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@DrakeyC Hi Drake, good to see you here. I personally think they should at least have told us WHO Snoke was. The main difference between him and the Emperor is that Palpatine didn't need more character than "being the big bad", because that's his role: he's the one in charge of the whole galaxy at the time the OT takes place, and yet he was a background character for most of the trilogy, never appearing in person until the last movie. Meanwhile, Snoke has much more presence in both TFA and TLJ, but it was never clarified what was his role in all of this. The main trio of the OT hints that they knew him personally or at least know more about him than we do, and yet we don't find out what was that they knew. Maybe his sudden and uncerimonious death in TLJ was supposed to symbolize how pointless he was, but that's very unfair towards all people who cared. And I'm not even going into what they did with him in RoS, because that rose more questions and answered nothing. Fun fact: when Snoke died and the camera focused on his goofy expression upon realizing what happened, the ending theme from Merry Melodies cartoons played into my head. It was hylarious.
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Snoke as Plagueis: I'M THE MOST POWERFULL JEDI THAT EVER EXISTED! I CREATED LIFE! DEATH! AND HAVE SURVIVED FOR-- Rey and Kylo: 'Who?' Snoke As Plagueis: …. Come on man... you know me... THe Guy... the one that Palpi Rey: oh PALPITINE!!! That's what they used in the eldin times right? For CHocolate Milk! Snoke: No-- Kylo: NOnsense, theirs a Palpitine in the Bloody Restroom... Snoke: DId-- Rey: Oh, ew ew, What on Luke are you speaking of?! Kylo: The troopes left a Snoke on the Palpitine-- Snoke: HOW YOU ANY-- Rey and Kylo: WE'RE TALKING HERE-- Kylo: HOld up.. Cuts Snoke in Half Powerfull my twi FIngers, That saber didn't even ahve good Batteries....
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I always liked the theory that Snoke wasn't actually a Sith, he was just a powerful alien dark side force user from the unknown regions that saw the power gap left by the death of the emperor and moved in to take advantage of it after his death. A lot of the newer post-Disney novels hinted that Palpatine had found something in the unknown regions and was moving troops and resources there in preparation for something prior to his death. We now know he was building a secret fleet and laboratory on Exegol, but my theory had been that he had discovered Snoke and was afraid of him and preparing for a war against him. But then he unexpectedly died and Snoke used the confusion of the fall of the Empire to infiltrate the First Order. My original theory for the plot of the third movie was that it would involve aliens invading from the unknown region to avenge Snoke and the Rebellion and First Order being forced to join forces against them, winning, and then having a final showdown against each other.
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@AlteredNova04 "I always liked the theory that Snoke wasn't actually a Sith, he was just a powerful alien dark side force user from the unknown regions that saw the power gap left by the death of the emperor and moved in to take advantage of it after his death." That.... actually sounds quite interesting.
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2019-12-29 09:21:25 +0000 UTC]
I wonder if the issue with redemption isn't that some people are too evil to ever be redeemed, but that bad storytelling often makes redemption look cheap and easy. Like, you just decide to be good and suddenly you are, instead of enduring a long, soul-searching transformation and making peace with the fact that you might never be able to make up for all your evil, but you try anyway because it's the only right thing to do, and you realize how important that is. That could work if the entire focus of the trilogy was a Sith's redemption, and ended with the understanding that the story was merely the beginning of a lifetime of atonement, and not the completion.
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This. More writers need to remember this.
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Vegeta is a great example of redeeming a bad guy. Anyway, I wanted Ben redeemed because I delved into his backstory and his psychology, but even I wanted a bigger impetus. Like Palpatine revealing everything Kylo fought for was simply a manipulation on his and Snoke's part. That'd be one of the final things, this revelation that all he's fought for and sacrifice has been for nothing.
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Actually this Tweet sums it all up better than I ever could: twitter.com/KyleDLarson/status…
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PolarPhantom Come to think of it, yeah, Vegeta might be one of the best examples in modern fiction. Over a decade and a half, he has it repeatedly beaten into him that his personal quest for power is meaningless, realizes little by little that he's started to care for something other than himself (enraged over the genocide of his species, horrified by the apparent death of his son, and finally appreciating the stupid backwater planet that gave him a new home), and even knows that his last attempt to reject his newfound "weakness" and go back to his old ways were from fear and self-loathing more than anything. Then when he thinks he's facing the end against Buu and wonders if a noble sacrifice will give him a shot at going to heaven, Goku says "nope, sorry dude," but Vegeta makes his stand anyway. He might still be a selfish asshole with the blood of millions on his hands, and still has a long way to go to ever being "good," but he was still a big step up from where he used to be, and that shouldn't be dismissed.
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patrick Coyle Kylo needed more time to go into what caused him to fall. The manipulations needed to be seen, the way Snoke corrupted his dreams and filled him with fear, how it was seen through HIS EYES. After all, we saw from Luke's eyes the moment of Luke's failure, how he let his own fears lead him to fail Ben. We needed to see what Ben's thoughts were. Sadly, we're never going to see that. And disappointingly, I doubt Linkara would ever want to see that kind of film either. It's always rather shocking to see someone who's content you enjoy work with such horrible political short-hand, but the dismissal of Kylo as 'Always bad' and putting ill-fitting modern political labels on the politics of a fantasy character... I honestly hoped for better from him and Viga. I'm sorry I just... Kylo Ren was an interesting character, where you could watch in Adam Driver's performance how this was a character who had to FORCE HIMSELF to be evil, to force the rage and pain, but was doing it despite the fact that it didn't truly suit his nature... And I think this film cheated him of the redemption he could have had.
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AdamaGeist I do wonder how much the redemption would be improved by further exploring "Ben" as he was before and during his change.
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Exactly. It could be an interesting story, but apparently just changing your mind, fighting a couple of bad guys (who couldn't be redeemed?) and healing a good guy = redemption...
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21:00 - I will be interested to see The Last Jedi comic review, as Linkara actually DOES latch on to one of the key themes of that story here...
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patrick Coyle Nitpicking here, but it was Piccolo who told Vegeta he's going to Hell. Still agree with your point.
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KnuxSun [2019-12-28 09:02:15 +0000 UTC]
Михаил Дворецкий 3 days ago (edited)
This part hits the big ones, so I guess I'll comment here: 1) I find the Luke stuff to be more of a matter of taste. I see your point here, but by stumbling into the same mistakes that he already had made and had overcome in the OT, Luke may seem to regress in his character. This plays into the larger criticism of the new trilogy undoing the ending of RotJ, which I do share, in part because... 2) Canto Bight is actually the thing I dislike the most about this movie. Not for the "usual" reasons, in fact I agree with you that it's a vital piece of worldbuilding that this movie (and trilogy) needed. Rather, I hate the DJ scene on the shuttle, showing that the First Order was supported by arms dealers from within the Republic. This to me is a huge regression of worldbuilding. Unregulated arms manufacturing is what made the Clone Wars possible, so it looks like the New Republic carried all the wrong lessons out of that mess, demilitarizing instead of regulating. And I'd say this would even be a fine plot on its own, but once again it is within what is supposed to be "the Sequel Trilogy" and yet shows that only the wrong lessons were learned. 3) The scene where Poe barges onto the bridge while Finn is in transit is actually the part that I dislike the most about the Holdo sub-plot. I understand that Poe was out of line and Holdo was under no obligation to share her plan with him when he's in full hothead mode, but by that logic this is the moment where she should've thrown him into the brig, thus preventing the mutiny. There's no watsonian reason for her to let him just walk away there when he's clearly a morale hazard at the very least. Also, since they're at sublight speeds, Crait would be a super-obvious place to search even if the shuttles weren't exposed, so Holdo's plan itself was a dead end. Much like with TFA (especially the Finn bits), you're defending the movie pretty well and maybe making me despise parts of it less, but that doesn't change the fundamental problems of this movie not really doing a good job of justifying its existence. And if one argues that its tone and subversion of Star Wars tropes IS its justification, then I would... acknowledge but not accept that. That may be something of an unwinnable proposition, to be honest: TFA played everything so safe that it left no space to set the trilogy's theme the way TPM did, so it fell down to Episode 8 to do that and it went in a direction that instead of building on the accomplishments of the previous movies tore them down for the sake of making its own points. It just doesn't feel respectful to the saga before it, and thus some fans may feel that they in turn are disrespected by the movie, that the movie is trying to be smart at their expense, that it does attempt to diminish the OT with cheap subversiveness and contempt of canon.
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john August force awakens is like trying to honor the past (maybe a bit too much), while last jedi is like "reality ensues and subversion happens" almost to a point of being scary. And like fry from futurama once said, (more or less) the audience wants something that is new enough to trigger curiosity but familiar enough to not take big risks. the movie still kinda shows both poe AND Holdo being fools. one way or another but it fails to show it. at least on first view. maybe having akbar would have made it easier fr audiences to see his point (a familiar face helps people into believing the opposite or different point of view. or at least make it easier to consider it) and that way you can give ackbar a nice sendoff instead of a unceremonious death
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KnuxSun [2019-12-25 08:14:56 +0000 UTC]
Speaking as someone with a military background, Poe was kind of justified in thinking Holdo was going to get them all killed. Her command style throughout the film is really toxic, especially considering there's no reason for her not to be keeping people in the loop about the plan to save their asses in a high stress situation. It comes across like she's just doing it to teach Poe a lesson, which is kind of petty and extremely inappropriate when they could all be dead within a very poorly defined amount of time. Poe might be a hot head, but even with the demotion he still seems to be in charge of their starfighter wing (what's left of it, anyway), so he's still senior leadership and has a right to know what's going on. Beyond that, an important part of leadership in a military environment is earning the confidence of the people under you, and flat out refusing to take the few minutes to explain yourself is counterproductive to that. What maybe could have saved this idea was giving Holdo a reason to want to keep her plan need-to-know until the last minute, like instead of the lore-breaking hyperspace tracker and that garbage Canto Bight side quest they could have had the B-plot be about Poe, Finn, and Rose looking for a spy transmitting their location to the FO. That would have given all three of them more screentime, probably given the Resistance more character, and avoided Rose's groan-worthy speech about how all evil rich people are arms dealers (brought to you by a multi-billion dollar and undeniably amoral entertainment company bigger than any defense contractor).
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So, you skipped the part about her not having a plan at first? And you think it's not relevant they have a bunch of deserters and enemy mind readers? Or the part where trying to keep Poe in the loop ends up with him trying to lead a revolt, because he's just as reckless and irresponsible as advertised? How many excuses are you willing to make for his failures? I mean, isn't it bad enough that you forgot hyperspace tracking was established before this movie? No, she's not the greatest leader ever. But she's also untrained for this position, and under a lot of pressure. This is why it was always a dumb idea for the rebellion to promote people based on "They're heroes in battle and so feisty too!"
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dejavoodoodoll I'll attempt to go point by point with this: Even if she didn't have a plan to begin with, that's not an excuse for not telling anyone about it once she had thought of it. I'm not sure what you mean by deserters and mind-readers, but I've never heard of any Force user being able to read random people's minds from a few hundred kilometers. Poe was only "kept in the loop" if by that you mean he wasn't relieved of command and thrown in the brig. Also, "revolt" is the wrong word, soldiers mutiny, civilians revolt. I don't even particularly like Poe, the only "excuse" I'm offering for him is that his actions were justified given the informed he had available at the time. Hyperspace tracking was not established before TLJ, unless you're counting them retroactively saying in the visual dictionary for TLJ that one of the other files Jyn Erso sifted through in Rogue One was the Empire's secret hyperspace tracking research. I'm not asking for everyone to be uber competent at their job, just that someone exhibiting such gross incompetence not be treated as if she were in the right.
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joseph Marzano 1. If she told nobody, why were some people on her side, why do we see them planning together, and how were they making preparations? 2. Deserters can betray them. Especially if they're caught. 3. His plan was insane, and between demanding a plan before she had time to make one - in public - and then making wild accusations - in public - when he found out even a part of her better plan? Quit grading him on a handicap. If she behaved the way he did, people would have tried to hang the actress.
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Kolink Probably Memes 9 hours ago
Disney is not a bunch of war profiteers, to my knowledge.
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dejavoodoodoll The point is that she didn't make everyone aware of the plan to save their asses, as evidenced by Poe not being alone either, something that probably would have reassured anyone who'd want to desert because of the seemingly hopeless situation they were in. And it seems to me that telling everyone about the plan when Poe questioned her about it would have shut him down pretty quick since that was his only talking point. I agree his plan was completely absurd, the entire B-plot is, but it is the kind of thing a guy like Poe who's unwilling to sit on his hands waiting to die would do if it was the only option he could see. The only handicap I'm grading Poe on is that he's not the commanding officer, in the end it's not his job to reassure everyone and keep order. Holdo lost control of the situation, that's on her. Poe being a reckless idiot doesn't automatically make her right. I also don't appreciate the underhanded way of calling me a sexist, there was enough of that coming out of Lucasfilms after the movie came out.
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KnuxSun [2019-12-17 05:23:09 +0000 UTC]
Kylo Ren, burdened by the legacy of his family, taken under Luke's wing to train as a Jedi, but feeling sidelined by a prodigy that is Rey and slowly succumbing to the influence of Snoke, who is actually Plageius reincarnated, which Luke discovers when he confronts Kylo, albeit too late to save his Academy, but tucks away Rey where Kylo won't look for her and himself disappears to search out the knowledge necessary to fully defeat Plageius/Snoke, something Kylo himself is contemplating during his mood swings, as he knows that would truly finish what his father started. That's a story that could've come out of The Force Awakens as it was, until Darth Rian killed the trilogy for good.
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The Internet Astronauts 3 hours ago
that would have been sooooo much cooler and add to the lore instead of tear it down like the sequels decided to do
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Dejan Rancic roundhead is no Darth
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2020-01-15 06:17:50 +0000 UTC]
I always thought she was meant to be Luke’s daughter, to be honest. I was someone who ascribed to George Lucas’s belief that the Star Wars movies (or at least the Skywalker Saga) was to always be the story of Anakin Skywalker. The prequels were the Fall of Anakin Skywalker. The originals were the Redemption of Anakin Skywalker. So, after Episode VII, I thought the sequels would be the Legacy of Anakin Skywalker. I assumed that Rey was Luke’s daughter and that the sequel trilogy would be her and Kylo Ren/Ben Solo fighting to determine the fate of their grandfather’s legacy. Anakin has a dual nature in the Force, being Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader, so I figured if Kylo/Ben was Anakin’s dark side, then Rey was his light side, so the story would come down to the two of them facing off to decide which side of their grandfather’s nature would be the fate of his legacy: one of light, or one of darkness
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While considering many possibilities, I had similar thoughts, more in terms of light and dark, daughter and son, but yeah who would carry Darth Vader's legacy? balanced or skewed toward the dark side?
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I’m with you I thought the same that it seemed clear with all the parallels and the end scene emotional looks on Ach-too with Luke the Rey was supposed to be related to Luke as his daughter so she represented the light of anakin ‘s legacy whereas Kylo represented the dark of Vader’s legacy in the end it is Anakin’s story his rise and fall and return and the sequels would be how his legacy affected future generations especially his family...such a missed opportunity...
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Anakin's legacy is exactly what I told my brother that the ST should have been about.
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If JJ Abrams wanted Rey to be the daughter of Luke Skywalker he would have revealed that in The Force Awakens. That way it would have been established canon that Rian Johnson would have had to honor. By leaving Rey's parentage a mystery, JJ Abrams essentially gave Rian Johnson the freedom to make Rey's parents be whoever he wanted. I don't think JJ Abrams had any clue who Rey's parents were. He just set up that mystery box just to spark everyone's interest.
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@DeepDeepSpace I think they pull some story parallels to Luke and Anakin with Rey. Desert planet, slave, finding a droid with something on it, the lightsaber of Anakin being given to her, which was said to call to her. I also think there's a resemblance to them in ways.
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2019-12-17 05:26:36 +0000 UTC]
When I heard Kylo say "I'll finish what you started" I thought it would lead to him getting rid of both sith and jedi and bring balance to the force
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Yeah. I was thinking he at the least was being led to destroy the Dark presence in the Unknown Regions and was pretending to be seduced by the dark side.
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M Johnson Yeah I thought from the beginning that he was never really evil since he didn't do anything that bad in the movies, the scene where he killed his dad to me was him fooling snoke into think he was really evil. But now I'm convinced they wrote him poorly, it's sad because he's the best written character compared to the rest lol
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2019-12-17 05:28:15 +0000 UTC]
Kaidyn Reece There are plenty of charcters on the level of vader such as Darth malgus. Literally anything besides what they did with the whiny emo that loses noob would have been more appealing.
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To a noob*
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What if Kylo was a Jedi zealot, who took the Jedi code to far, becoming an anti-Vader. Hence, killing Han would be an act of letting go of attachments. Kylo fears he will become like Vader, as a new prophecy fortells his fall to the Dark Side.
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Annie and Elsie of Arendelle 2 hours ago
azrael Hecita Huh. That actually give some moral ambiguity and blames his uncle for losing 'the path of the jedi' by allowing attachments among their new jedi so he attempts to wipe them out
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2019-12-17 05:29:48 +0000 UTC]
It really shows that Disney never gave these characters a chance especially Kylo and Finn they were great ideas executed terribly.
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The Ex Stormtrooper arc of Fin seemed really interesting. Him infiltrating the first order to inspire other Stormtroopers to join him into freedom, would have been the best and most logical way to develop him from cowardness into leadership. But I guess random casino adventures and doghorses also got the job done...
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Freakin Scorpio 5 hours ago (edited)
cas ual they could have easily adapted Kyle katarn's Story from Legends and gave it to Finn would have been infinitely better than what we got / will get.
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2019-12-17 05:30:57 +0000 UTC]
Kylo ren before he took his mask off was awesome. Once his mask came off, he just kept getting progressively worse.
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There were giggles in my theatre when the mask came off. Not a good sign
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And it begs the question why. He didn't have to wear it to begin with for medical reasons so he was wearing it for style or uniform, and he didn't have a reason to take it off later. It's like they just gave him a mask to start with because they thought it was star wars-y.
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It's a shame but Adam Driver does nothing for me. Laughed my ass off when he revealed his face, couldn't take him seriously since.
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Ryan Gostek abso-fuckin-lutly correct brother
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He definitely needed a scar. Even if it was a a small scar instead of hideous, which might suggest vanity or a lack of confidence. Instead we got Vader-lite.
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He was one of the few tolerable characters. Adam Driver is actually a pretty good actor for a disney movie.
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KnuxSun [2019-12-15 10:00:33 +0000 UTC]
ShatteringKatana 1 day ago (edited)
Snoke is Darth Plagueis and he manufactured the prophecy to take revenge on Palpatine, who he knew became too powerful for him. Snoke and the Snoke clones are just failed shells to gain a physical form. There, this is a workable subject for a trilogy, not perfect but it can be expanded.
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Christopher Vento 22 hours ago
I read fan fictions of Episode 8 that were so much better than what we got. And it was before the release of Last Jedi. One person wrote an amazing back story for Snoke. In their story Snoke was an ancient Sith from the Old Republic. That's why Kylos saber is the design that it is. Snoke showed him how to make it, it's an ancient version of a lightsaber. Snoke would have been an ancient sith who has slowly been sucking the life force out of force sensitive beings waiting to get stronger. Like a vampire needing lots of blood before returning to full strength. Snoke would have been the main villain in the entire trilogy. His goal would have been to destroy Luke, the last threat to a Sith Empire. The 9th episode would end in Snokes death but that would lead to an Old Republic trilogy of movies that would explore Snokes past when he was in his prime and it would have explored the Jedi/Sith Wars. Tell me that isnt WAY better than what we got. The fans can write it better.
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christopher Vento That actually sounds pretty cool and more plausible than a bunch of Snoke clones.
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KnuxSun In reply to KnuxSun [2019-12-15 10:01:39 +0000 UTC]
So just to be clear: JJ abrahms didnt like that his mysteries led to nothing in ep 8 John boyega said he didnt like ep 8 or how his character didnt change Daisy ridley cried with relief that johnson wasnt directing ep 9 Oscar isacc says an enthusiatic NOPE to ever playing his character again Mark hamill...do i even have to say it lol? Poor mark, he loved star wars more than anybody, he tried to warn everyone, now hes just defeated... And you STILL have rian johnson on board for more movies?!! Wtf are you doing disney
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DrViperVideos just wait if this movie stumbles out during the box office opening then soon enough articles are gonna come out saying Kathleen is taking a “leave of absence” and hopefully someone who knows and cares for Star Wars will oversee the salvation of what will be remaining when this shit show stumbles into the theatres .
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