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Deform2018 [2018-07-08 22:41:21 +0000 UTC]
Could it have the diet of a Hippopotamus? A mostly herbivorous and occasional scavenger?
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acepredator In reply to Deform2018 [2018-09-09 00:28:08 +0000 UTC]
Take a look at it’s teeth. There is nothing that indicates specialized herbivory.
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105697 In reply to Deform2018 [2018-07-09 17:50:41 +0000 UTC]
The teeth suggest it was probably eating meat some of the time, probably an omnivore like entelodonts. I have doubts it was mostly herbivorous like a hippo.
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Dinopithecus [2017-04-22 16:54:43 +0000 UTC]
In response to the supposedly weak bite of Andrewsarchus.
A while back, a DeviantArt member (theropod1) made the following comparison between the skulls of Andrewsarchus, Spinosaurus, and Tyrannosaurus.
lh3.googleusercontent.com/lxxh…
If you scale the skulls of Andrewsarchus and Tyrannosaurus to the same length, the posterior ends are comparably wide, as are the rostra. The only place where they're not as wide is at the pinch in Andrewsarchus' snout and at the point of the canines and third(?) incisors. This may have been a setback for powerful biting, but the pinch still isn't anywhere as marked as what we see in Spinosaurus. Comparison between this beast and spinosaurids isn't apt.
Also, you want to know what other cetancodontamorph seems to have a pinch in its snout (and one that seems to be even more developed than in Andrewsarchus)? The hippopotamus.
animaldiversity.org/collection…
But no one thinks hippos are relatively weak biters.
Lastly, the relatively small size of the sagittal crest might only suggest that the muscle anchored onto it (the temporalis) had a reduced role in contributing to Andrewsarchus' jaw power compared to other muscles. And considering how the zygomatic arches are enormously wide, the masseter could have taken on an even greater role in jaw adduction in Andrewsarchus.
So as you can see, I don't agree with the idea that Andrewsarchus was a relatively weak biter and potentially restricted to piscivory, scavenging, or small game hunting.
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acepredator In reply to Dinopithecus [2017-08-01 15:21:19 +0000 UTC]
Not to mention crocodilians have a tooth rosette....
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Dinopithecus In reply to acepredator [2017-08-02 00:54:56 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, forget what I said about snout pinches being a setback to powerful biting. They clearly are not.
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ThalassoAtrox [2017-03-21 19:55:11 +0000 UTC]
If I can add my 2 cents, I`m having a hard time bealiving that Andrewsarchus could have been a fish hunter, compared to ancient whales like Ambulocetus, its teeth just don't look like they were designed for that purpose, and look to me more like those of a generalist which ate what ever it could get.
Also your mass estimates of 980-1200 kg seem exaggerated to me for the animal depicted in your drawing, maybe 600-800 kg would be more realistic?
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105697 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-03-21 21:47:15 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, seeing as how its teeth looked like, it was probably a generalist. Its environment was also pretty dry IIRC, no place for a fish eater.
As for the mass estimates, they are based off anthracotheres and entelodonts. Based off of Archaeotherium, we got 980 kg, while based off anthracotheres like Anthracotherium and Brachyodus, which gave mass estimates of 1150 kg and 1200 kg. I think the person in the drawing may be messing with the size, since I'm not all that good with drawing humans as a size comparison, so I may remove it.
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ThalassoAtrox In reply to 105697 [2017-03-22 01:12:27 +0000 UTC]
" Based off of *Archaeotherium*, we got 980 kg"
If an entelodonts-like Andrewsarchus would be that heavy, then how heavy would a Daeodon be, 1250 kg? After all it's skull it`s skull was nearly 10 cm longer?
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105697 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-03-22 02:00:41 +0000 UTC]
Daeodon, according to Blazze, is about 900-1000 kg for the largest specimens.
Archaeotherium was used since its skull is more like that of Andrewsarchus in which its longer and thinner than that of entelodonts like Daeodon. Again, wouldn't take it with a huge amount of reliability, since all we have is the skull, and people have gotten different sizes based on entelodonts, albiet with different species.
Another thing I would like to mention: When we were scaling from anthracotheres, the skull of Andrewsarchus perfectly fitted with them, especially Brachyodus, an anthracothere a skull that looks a lot like that of Andrewsarchus.
savepic.ru/9014094.htm
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bLAZZE92 In reply to 105697 [2017-10-03 17:17:12 +0000 UTC]
When I mentioned 900-100kg for the largest specimens, I did provide the caveat that such estimate is based on head-body lengths of bison, which, by virtue of their proportionally smaller head, should weight more than an enteleodont of the same length.
More recently I have produced a GDI of a entelodont-based Andrewsarchus and it came out at 660kg.
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105697 In reply to bLAZZE92 [2017-10-03 22:53:11 +0000 UTC]
Ah I see.
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ThalassoAtrox In reply to 105697 [2017-03-22 02:31:51 +0000 UTC]
It does look very similar , intresting, I think I`ll draw a second version of Andrewsarchus as an anthracothere-like creature, both it and the entelodonts-esque version seem very plausible to me. Can't say the same for the aquatic Ambulocetus-esque one thought. `
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105697 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-03-22 02:40:34 +0000 UTC]
Yes, anthracotheres and entelodonts are after all Andrewsarchus' closest relatives.
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Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-03-20 19:23:55 +0000 UTC]
Interesting take on it. We really need more material!
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PCAwesomeness [2017-03-19 22:28:01 +0000 UTC]
BTW, you got Blazze's name wrong.
blazze92
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PCAwesomeness In reply to 105697 [2017-03-19 22:28:24 +0000 UTC]
You're welcome.
Don't we all wish Andrew was a bit more complete?
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JonaGold2000 [2017-03-19 22:25:10 +0000 UTC]
What a cuck
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Philoceratops In reply to JonaGold2000 [2017-03-19 22:50:47 +0000 UTC]
It would probably try to kill you for saying that.
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JonaGold2000 In reply to Philoceratops [2017-03-20 15:27:24 +0000 UTC]
But it is dead and cannot speak human languages
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105697 In reply to JonaGold2000 [2017-03-19 22:27:52 +0000 UTC]
say that to its face if it were still alive.
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JonaGold2000 In reply to 105697 [2017-03-19 22:33:14 +0000 UTC]
It died because it was a cuck
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acepredator [2017-03-19 22:22:06 +0000 UTC]
We can't actually have Andrewsarchus be a scavenger....we know why.
Did it even need bite force to kill large prey (whether they be fish or large mammals)? If Smilodon taught us anything, it's that mammals don't need bite force to be a beast slayer.
IMO I see this as a mammalian spinosaur that was eating sharks, crocodiles and early archeocetes.
The strangest suggestion I've seen is that it was a specialist, anteater-like predator of fossorial rodents!
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105697 In reply to acepredator [2017-03-19 22:27:08 +0000 UTC]
It was hunting down brontotheres and indrictotheres if thats the case.
Smilodon is a bad comparison since it has giant saber teeth and hunts in packs.
Also, I now kinda doubt the fish eater hypothesis now since it lived on open, dry plains, kinda like the African Savanna where there were very few fish.
That suggestion I heard, but it seems unlikely since you need to eat a lot of underground living mammals to sustain a creature as big, if not bigger than a bear.
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acepredator In reply to 105697 [2017-03-19 22:37:25 +0000 UTC]
Also do we have any small ungulates from the locale?
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105697 In reply to acepredator [2017-03-19 22:46:10 +0000 UTC]
There are some medium sized ones like pantodonts.
Those may have been the preffered prey.
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acepredator In reply to 105697 [2017-03-19 22:36:07 +0000 UTC]
So a large predator? But with jaws like that how was it hunting?
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105697 In reply to acepredator [2017-03-19 22:47:19 +0000 UTC]
Maybe it suffocated its prey, clamping down with just enough force to cut off breathing, or maybe it attacked the hindquarters, ripping into the behind since the skin there is thinner than the skin on the flanks and legs, but for now, nothing is for sure.
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AnonymousLlama428 [2017-03-19 22:19:10 +0000 UTC]
Your first line made me think of this (now obsolete) paleomeme:
www.deviantart.com/art/Scumbag…
Any way, nice! I dunno if the spots are quite with me, and I expected some sort of dorsal mane, but it seems like a good break from the literal wolf/civet in sheep's clothing.
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