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Just a little picture to show the main differences between the typical fictional and folkloric vampire. Sometimes the folkloric one didn't even have a spine (literally) and it never had fangs or anything and you surely didn't want to have sex with them.Related content
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Dracula was basically a satire of aristocrats.
People now say that aristocrats are like blood sucking fiends.
People back then said that blood sucking fiends were aristocrats.
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Keine Wirbelsäule? Wie hat man sich das vorzustellen, ich mein anatomisch gesehen konnte das Ding ja dann kaum stehen oder sich überhaupt fortbewegen?!
Aber mir gefällt sehr dein Vergleich von dem "eigentlichem" Vampir und dem fiktionellen
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Es ist Folklore, da macht vieles keinen Sinn. In einigen Fällen sind Vampire wirklich nichts mehr als Hautsäcke die sich mit Blut füllen. In anderen sind gesättigte Vampire tiefrot, in anderen sehen sie immer aus wie Leichen in wieder anderen völlig normal. In wieder anderen müssen sie unbedingt Dinge zählen wie auf dem Boden liegen, z.B. Erbsen.
So was kommt einfach dabei heraus. Aber in den meisten Fällen ist ein Vampir ein Untoter der für Tod und Krankheit steht, mit Sex und allem haben sie nichts zu tun.
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sehr intressant danke für die auskunft!
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I prefer to meet in the middle. The one element they leave out most often is some sense of horror. There are plenty of people who find the xenomorph to be sexually appealing... but the xenomorph is still a horrific monster.
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A xenomorph vampire?
As for leaving out horror, they not necessarily leave it out, they rather romanticize it. In recent years it seems to have become a fetish of sorts to reomanticize blood thirsty and massmurdering vampires, no matter how bad they are. CW's The Vampire Diaries is a pretty good example.
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part of that romance comes from minimizing it. I havent seen VD so I can't really comment on it but in Anne Rice's vampire chronicles (which I genuinely like) she frequently has the vampires kill "evil" people or suicidal people (or in Louis' case, she barely describes the killing at all.)
My ideal motion picture vampire is one who is sapient and has a personality that lends to good character development but is still treated as a creature and has obviously distorted deathlike features. Something like a docudrama about a real-life serial killer with a terminal illness. Some of those hypothetical vampires would be like Jeffrey Dahmer (the insane boy next door) others would be like John Wayne Gacy (secret killer family man). IDK... the genre just seems to work too hard on making the killer "ok" by homogenizing them or altogether idealizing them as sexual (and healthy looking).
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If you haven't seen The Vampire Diaries, be happy about it, I can understand when people like the first 2 seasons since for all their flaws they at least had their redeeming qualities, but since season 3 it was a total mess, the racism and sexism increased dramatically as well as the pathological romanticizing of these mass murdering vampires and the actually interesting and redeemable vampires either get shoved into the background with incredibly clumsy viewer manipulation or they simply got killed. Also they constantly broke their own canon laws.
Not to mention that its basically just about love triangles to the death and the characters involved are often these total psychopaths who get forgiven everything. The worst was that one blond character who seriously developed romantic feelings for the 1000 year old vampire who is an unrepentant mass murderer, killed her best friend' aunt, her boy friend's mother and nearly killed her twice, the second time after he fell in love with her (which btw. happened when she was close to death and lamenting how she didn't want to die, so basically he "fell in love" when she was completely at his mercy). I finally stopped and never returned in season 4, since I could no longer bear this bullshit, not even for the sake of analyses.
Rice at least knew her genre, but these idiots don't.
Now considered how you describe your vampire, I think the ones from the game lines Vampire the Masquerade and Vampire the Requiem, and possibly Kindred of the East would be just your type.
All three have vampires of various looks and some of them look like corpses, either by having corpse pallor or literally looking like corpses. In Requiem it is a given that a vampire cannot truly fell love or any emotion s/he already knew in life.
And I tell you especially in Masquerade they can have some pretty weird and alien codes of morality.
They have "sexy" vampires, but that is rather part of their make-up as predators and its interesting how they had these vampires stake out their hunting grounds.
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I actually am putting together some vampire stuff in the near future... again, I like it when vampires do depraved inexcusable things... I don't like it when they have redeeming qualities... (it's such a cop-out) In my vampire project, there are instances where living people fall in love with the vampires (despite them having waxy grayish skin and an emaciated body.) But all of those people are going to pretty much be emotional wrecks, necrophiles, and at least one vorarephile... So it's going to cater to the sensibilities of weirdos all across the globe.
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Is this a book you are planning?
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yes. It's kind of nebulous right now... but I'm keeping notes on character development and 'rules' for the dark ones...
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Is that the name for the vampires?
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I just started adding artwork to my folder "The Regalia of the Devil" which is the working tittle for my vampire books. Conquest of the Board is the direction I'm going in with regard to how they look (at an advanced stage of course... There's a link to something more basic.)
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no. well... sometimes. They call themselves vampires or any euphemism for death but it's more like, they don't know what's going on themselves, because there is no order to the vampires in america... but in most cases, they would describe themselves as "dead" or "vampire".
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So that is how these vampires look like. Is there a reason behind the eye color?
If there is no order to the vampires in America, how does their society function?
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A typical vampire has a smooth, apparently pore-less face that appears to be somewhat paralyzed. The eye sockets are dark or even bruised looking and the seam between the bone and cartilage of the nose is somewhat visible but not usually dramatic. A vampire's skin is desaturated, but not necessarily pale and for vampires with darker skin, can appear green or yellowish. It is waxy in texture, resembling the skin of a melon or something. All together they kind of look like botched plastic surgery, so in today's society they are usually overlooked until it's too late. Many people still find them to be beautiful despite the subtle scull-like appearance of the face.
When a vampire is first resurrected, it's sclera and iris are the same color as they were during that person's life. At all stages, a vampire's pupils reflect light like any nocturnal mammal. Over a period of about 100 years the sclera turns black, so you can initially tell a vampires age by looking at how dark they are. The irises also lose pigment over time, becoming progressively lighter. BUT crowned vampire's eyes are completely bloodshot looking. It's believed that the "black mass" they are filled with transubstantiates into blood when it pools around the body (sometimes in mid-air) to form the regalia.
American vampires don't have a society. They have small social circles that rarely intersect. They also don't tend to live longer than a century.
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Why are they so shortlived?
And is there any other effect that age has on them apart from Looks?
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Most american vampires are conflicted for quasi-religious reasons. They feel sorry for their victims and slip up... fall in love, get killed by wanabe hunters, or just outright kill themselves... Vampires that relish their condition (because they were probably sociopaths in life) live longer. They take pleasure in becoming better at beguiling, stalking, and killing. The older they get, the more powerful their magic becomes as well.
In The Regalia of the Devil, Vampires are filled with an organic substance called "the black mass." As soon as a year, a Vampire should be able to extrude the black mass through the claw slits on it's fingers, toes, and other openings on the body, natural or modified. This extruded black mass can be trained to do many things. It can slink through shadows and grab things. It can animate necrotic material. Brian uses it to build a pair of wings, with the mass as a membranous component framed by human long bones and phalanges. An older vampire should reasonably have better motor skills with extruded black mass. it is erroneously believed that only vampires over 100 years can extrude blood into the sanguine regalia that represents a vampire who's magic defy's actual explanation. Younger ones can do it, but it should be considered rare. My vampire protagonist discovers a sort of loophole that allows him to accelerate to regal status faster... and then he pretty much goes mad with power.
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Are these American vampires inspired by the current Vampire craze?
Shouldn't there be some more downsides to this loophole than just "mad with power"? Maybe he has to consume more blood.
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I sort of want to subvert the common tropes used in the vampire lore of today... I read anne rice's vampire chronicles recently (1-3) and got pretty excited because I liked what I read up till then... but her vampires are mainly corporeal. There's a line in Interview where Luis says that he can't turn into smoke and slip through keyholes or under doors. In pop culture, they often show vampires as having super powers, moving in an awkward fast forward, or flying like superman... I wanted mine to be darker than that because I think it usually looks laughably like something out of DBZ. I remembered how much I loved Dracula with gary oldman. He was kind of like a ghost... so I looked into it and found that in some instances, revinants were considered to be something more like a ghost than a physical creature.
I decided to make mine like both. They have powers involving shadows and stuff... Like, objects obscured from light in deep shadows are not solid to them. They can essentially walk through walls if it's dark enough. I wanted their bodies to be extremely physically weak and frail, but make up for it with applied phlebotinum. That's why Brian can fly with his wings. He only weighs about 80 lbs.
as far as having draw backs to being crowned early... I dunno. It's not a loophole like he has to do something extra all the time to get it, he steals it from someone else. Being crowned is magical in nature, so being exposed to magic opens that individual's consciousness enough to jump start them. He manages to drink the blood of a crown and it's a little like picking up a yawn for him. The downside is he learned the attack, but didn't accrue the experience needed to use it effectively... if the RPG reference makes any sense. He stops being careful because he thinks he's a total badass that made it to the opposite side of the board. (If the checkers reference makes any sense 
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Aha, and did you incorporate origin lore?
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its under construction... but yes.
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So how does the general concept go? Descended from gods, cursed, blessed, human ambition?
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horizontal genetic transfer of DNA from magical creatures to humans via a virus engineered by the Atlanteans
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The vampire origin story is basically a spin on the weird niche conspiracy theorist idea that cultures in the past were far more advanced than the mainstream currently believes. It's a rendition of the "ancient astronaut", "chemtrails", tinfoil hat wearing crowd's favorite story... the story of a shadow history.
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Well what you wrote there seemed a bit over the top to me. Also it sounded a tad like an anime I once saw, albeit in that case the vampires actually named themselves after mythological vampires, they are, if I remember correctly they are human colonists from Mars.
Now the vampires being scientific based has its merits, unless you do it like the Blade series where it really was just magic in disguise. However, in the case of a scientific origin you would need to have a good explanation how they know that. And if its scientific, what if the black substance you talked about is alive?
PS. So far I didn't say anything because it seemed fine to me.
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I'm glad you're enjoying it then.
The black mass is alive. It has a metabolic rate, it consumes blood, It grows.... Vampires are by definition alive, and I want to bring that to the forefront in this work. the human component is dead, all but the original consciousness, but the internal puppet strings of the black mass are as alive as any other organism. I explained it in great detail on The Liar's Tongue
I can tell by your journals that you are very interested in biology... I'd love for you to tell me what you think of the transformation premise I explained to my friend there... It's kind of an odd request, to have you critique my comments... lol. so, you don't have to if you don't want.
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If the black mass is alive and grows, is it seperate an entity from the vampire or is it the vampire? Your explanation wasn't clear on that.
Now as for the transformation:
If the DNA of the host body is rewritten cell for cell, shouldn't it take longer for the process to happen than just 3 days? And maybe it should have some sort of protection around itself like a cocoon or maybe at first the mass secrets some sort of fluid that hardens on the air and allows the reshaping of the body in a protected environment.
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The black mass is the vampire, but it sometimes acts involuntarily as though it's a separate entity. extruding and drawing blood during feeding is involuntary, the vampire bite (with the fangs) is voluntary.
Yes. Originally, the transformation was to take several months. and the vampire was supposed to develop a "slag" or crust secreted on the outside of the body that he would have to work out of and clean off... I thought that the transformation time needed to be shorter for artistic reasons. the slag isn't completely off the table yet, I just didn't mention it... (but might not have if you hadn't...)
also, the slag was supposed to develop differently for different vampires in different environments while immobile. one who's in good darnkess would just have a crust, but one in full view of the sun would develop a highly reflective chrysalis like a butterfly's... (The character James was supposed to have saved the silver "face" from his slag and use it as a mask because it's distorted and scary.) I never ran those ideas by anyone, and they didn't seem strong to me, what do you think?
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Hm, maybe months is a tad too long since then there would probably not be as many vampires around. Maybe 1-2 weeks is good. It would be enough time to transform the human body and still short enough that creating a new one isn't some sort of heroic effort.
Now different slag for different environments sound good, just the highly reflective chrysalis doesn't look like a good idea to me. The body is highly vulnerable during the transformation stage so I think it shouldn't stand out so much.
Btw. is this sort of transformation known to humans in your world?
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..."a week or more." "that quick, huh?" "yep!"... that actually sounds comically short and allows for for the anomalous occurrence of a "three day death and resurrection". (any guesses as why it was changed from months to days in the first place?)
as far as the reflective chrysalis, I still really like it. The vampire unfortunate enough to have to endure transformation outside would need some way to have light deflected away from him... so it's either give him a fighting chance via the slag, let him die and just be a mysterious pile of greasy ash, or assume that no one who would become a vampire would die in open broad daylight... I like the idea of giving that specific vampire a golden or silver slag that would TRY to protect him, even though the attracted attention in today's time would not be ultimately advantageous. In Jame's case, freezing to death out in the open Yukon, he didn't have to worry about being disturbed by people. I'm probably bringing the slag, and all conceptualized forms of it, back.
It's known to extremely few conspiracy theorists and obsessive/exhaustive occultists. Disturbed "day dead" vampires, for example, would ultimately catch fire. That would stir in the local news, but be written off as a hoax and probably not investigated in great detail. (lots of strange things happen in reality that are completely ignored because of their resemblance to the paranormal.) The symptoms of impending vampiric transformation resemble morgellon's disease, and are considered as such by the medical professionals who prescribe the patients with anti-depressants and therapies, because it's assumed that their problem is psychological. The vast majority of people actively ignore the vampires, fairies, star-children, werewolves, and ghosts that litter the landscape of this bland current-time fantasy land.
Thanks for your interest and questions.
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Actually I have some more:
Does your first passage imply that your vampires have influenced the early roots of christianity? (The whole 3 days thing).
The problem with the golden and silver slag is that it would have been noticeable in earlier times as well, so shouldn't that be reflected in the mythology of your world?
And just so I get it right: You vampires burn in the sunlight, always. Correct?
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It's not that I intended christianity to have been influenced by vampires in the cannon... but more that I was inspired by it and thought it was a nice poetic easter egg. I wanted anybody to be able to see a correlation but it would ultimately remain a mystery.
In a similar way, the metallic slag was inspired by metallic figures of pharoes... The thing is, I want vampires to be rare. you're not going to see a man-sized silver cocoon while walking down the sidewalk. Every town in the world doesn't have it's own vampire. there's very few of them. (I haven't looked into exactly how many there are, what the average lifespan is, or how many would be necessary to sustain a population given an average lifespan.) but ubiquitous would be the wrong word to describe them.
and yes. they would catch fire every time. no matter how old or magical.
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Ah, vampires have changed so much in the last 200 years or so.
You're depicting the "feeding corpse" version right?
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Yep, I figured this was the most common version, especially since my definition of "vampire" requires some more than just blood drinking, unlike some "specialists".
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TNT's Monster Vision en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonsterV… did a good job tracking down the evolution of Dracula during Dracula during Bram Stokers Dracula. When Dracula was fist adapted to a on stage play, it featured a very traditional undead creature like in the book but in failed to draw a audience until someone decided to change Dracula into the more debonair monster played by a hansom lead and it was a success.
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Sadly most people don't know that and they really think that this was a traditional depiction.
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